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Kangodo wrote:

 Waaghboss Grobnub wrote:
Why dont we just wait untill the book is out? There will probably be nothing awesome.
All your favourite units WILL suck in comparison with the older codex.
This is how it has been ever since GW started with the hardcover codexes.
I'd advice to start a big ffin fire so you can melt your crons into one of the last few comptetitive armies out there.
It will not be much longer untill GW has broken down every army into a lesser form of what it used to be

Because we have information now and we like to speculate.
How can there be nothing awesome? Exterminatus kinda assured me of awesome stuff.
My favourite units are Tomb Blades, Lychguard/Praetorians, Special Characters and Flayed Ones. Please tell me how they could suck compared to what we have now?

Aah yes, because Blood Angels are in such a crappy state compared to what they used to be.
Please tell that to my Codex where nearly every unit is good. Especially compared to the old one, where nearly every unit was bad.

I agree, i'd rather have a codex where everything is viable and the must takes are toned down than just spam the same stuff every game... it does get boring after awhile...

Yay...more random.

Requizen wrote:
Via Warseer:

Regarding the CTans, RANDOM DAHYUK.

A bit worried for C'Tans now....

I'm gonna say... Jervis' fault, he seems like a guy that would like random tables.

And I'm happy that it sounds like destroyer wing is back.

The C'tan news is a bit worrisome... but I'll try to stay a bit optimistic

If that is how C'tan powers are going to work now, I'm guessing those power cards are what will be replacing the Psychic Power cards in the Necron Datacards set

Sounding increasingly like rumour mongering or a woefully incomplete explanation.

Also the only reason I can think of that the Tran C'tan would be using the small table and the Vault a larger exclusive table is because nobody is buying Vaults since they can just field a C'tan.

 SilverDevilfish wrote:

Requizen wrote:
Via Warseer:

Regarding the CTans, RANDOM DAHYUK.

A bit worried for C'Tans now....

I'm gonna say... Jervis' fault, he seems like a guy that would like random tables.

Especially since Kelly (the other person who tends to get the blame for loving the random tables too much) is working the lore side only these days.

Addressing a few things...

Called it on the tomb awakens box set.

Blood angels got a new sanguinary priest, a new box set, a new librarian and A special HQ when they dropped death storm. (Blood Angel Formations were in Shield of Baal:exterminatius and Deathstorm).

It's more likely that they're going to be doing more campaign sets now, as they probably make more money that way.

If you pre-order and ship it to a GW store on the weekend it drops for pre-order, (whether in the store, so the store gets credit) or from the website (so you screw the local store) it will show up sooner and you can pick it up on release day with everybody else. (chances are that it might even show up as early as that weds the week of release, but the store can't give it to you until release day, sat).

Non GW stores have their own schedule, and you know your FLGS schedule better than anybody else anyway.

EDIT:

Also, if you're trying to pick up a new release at a GW store, they can't put it out until new release day...which is Sat.

 ImAGeek wrote:
Yay...more random.

Forge that narrative boy!

The thing that especially sucks is those C'Tan cards are going to be limited so it will be next to impossible to play with one. Great work, GW.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
The thing that especially sucks is those C'Tan cards are going to be limited so it will be next to impossible to play with one. Great work, GW.

Print them?

Will be interesting to see if the powers are any good, I don't mind random if it means the unit I point at get's obliterated either way

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
The thing that especially sucks is those C'Tan cards are going to be limited so it will be next to impossible to play with one. Great work, GW.

Uh why, they have this thing called a D6 and paper that you can write things on?

The codexes tend to have charts you can use instead of the cards (like with objectives, or psychic powers).

Regarding the CTans, WD seems to really make a difference between Shards of the Deceiver, Nightbringer, Trans CTan and the Vault. This is how their power work:
- During the shooting phase, chose an enemy unit.
- Roll a D6 or pick a card to determine the attack it suffers.
- The randomness represents the CTan basically doing whatever he wants when released on a battlefield.
- Each attack comes in 2 Flavors.
- The first one, supposedly already devastating, is used by the two shards and the Trans CTan.
- The second one, that appears to be the powerful Apocalypse effect, is for the Vault.

I really hope this lost something in translation.
So I can just choose an enemy. With no range restrictions or else all range attacks are the same range (?24"?).
No Melee focused powers?
No movement powers like subliminal slide?

So WD "seems to really make a difference between shards of deciver, nightbringer, and trans....." except that all of their powers are the same.
That isn't really obvious how all of that goes together.
Unless, each model has some lower tier powers unique to each and the the upper end powers that are random.
I suppose this is a nerf to TCtan as you can't make a plan and work that.
You are jerked around by the dice all game.
Unless, this is more like the D strike table where we are rolling for the intensity of the attack but that's not what it sounds like.
The way its written is that the effects are random. Roll a 1 and the target gets a buff, roll 2 two and he is pinned, roll a 3 and he loses a power, etc.

As I said, I hope something has been lost in translation.

This sounds to me like GW finding a way to make the T. C'tan less OP, more palatable for the tournaments scene, but yet not change the escalation Dataslate, just as the Stompa remained unchanged in the Ork codex. An interesting approach for sure.

 NecronLord3 wrote:
This sounds to me like GW finding a way to make the T. C'tan less OP, more palatable for the tournaments scene, but yet not change the escalation Dataslate, just as the Stompa remained unchanged in the Ork codex. An interesting approach for sure.

Pretty Hard to argue it didn't need a re-work for regular 40k.

That being Said Random doesn't have to mean bad , that is if all the random attacks are powerful.

Requizen wrote:

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 Red Corsair wrote:


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Jefffar wrote:
In Champions of Fenris they had a Formation of Formations, which this sounds similar too.

It somewhat makes fluff sense, the machine folk having a number of preprogrammed responses to various tactical realities and building their army out of that.

From a game perspective, if they adopt this across all armies in place of the FOC system, we have an end to spam lists.

DE have carnival of pain. BIG difference is those formations have a set number of formations you take. That's, you know, the idea of a formation. It's a fixed thing, not a build a bear.

The way this guy is describing it makes zero sense. The first part is clearly a detachment since it lists units you can take in varying numbers. He wouldn't be the first person to not understand the difference between a detachment and a formation.

If the rumor is accurate, the way I'm imagining it written out is something like:

Decurion Formation
1 Overlord (or character)
2-8 Warriors
1-4 Immortals
1-3 Tomb Blades
0-2 Lychguards
0-3 Monoliths

Up to 10 of the following:
0+ Destroyer Formation
0+ C'Tan formation
0+ "Tank" Formation
0+ "Superheavy" Formation
0+ Canoptek Formation
0+ Triarch Formation
0+ Deathmark Formation
0+ Flayed One Formation
0+ Doom Scythe Formation


Which isn't that hard to understand.

Do you not understand how formations work in 40k? Honest question.

I can take ANY number of those formations in addition to eachother already. So yers this is unecessarily convoluted and silly and I am calling for salt here.

EDIT. And the next rumor from warseer he goes on to list how it's unclear and confusing! Surprise surprise!


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 NecronLord3 wrote:
This sounds to me like GW finding a way to make the T. C'tan less OP, more palatable for the tournaments scene, but yet not change the escalation Dataslate, just as the Stompa remained unchanged in the Ork codex. An interesting approach for sure.

GW doesn't care about tournaments, my guess is they do care that so few people bother with the vault. I'm expecting to TC'tan to be toned down a bit while to vault gets tuned up. Maybe the vault isn't random since they have him caged under their control, while fielding him loose creates the random effect to represent his capricious nature.

As a corporation they don't care. The people writing the books and selling the models are acutely aware of how the units work in tournaments.

 NecronLord3 wrote:
As a corporation they don't care. The people writing the books and selling the models are acutely aware of how the units work in tournaments.

AHAHAHA thats gold... Wait... were you being serious?

Is it just me or is it getting old when rumor posters give the excuse - "Well I read it fast so I might not have gotten it right" - how about if you weren't full of crap you post when you have the time to have the book in front of you.
or "My friends a joker so he may not be telling me everything correct" or "he just saw it on the table and he was at HQ" .. It smells like bull___. An excuse to be wrong when the rules come out and prove them wrong..lol maybe I am just being cynical.

 Red Corsair wrote:

 NecronLord3 wrote:
As a corporation they don't care. The people writing the books and selling the models are acutely aware of how the units work in tournaments.

AHAHAHA thats gold... Wait... were you being serious?

Oh so *you* think someone writing about fungus-based organisms launching invasions while fighting with each other, or about metallic skeleton with reminiscence of ancient Egypt, or about Ridley Scott's Alien like creatures, ... do not care about how the game is played, including tournaments?

Lord looks cool, but why does GW insist on using that terrible orange/green colour scheme like they did in the new guard book.

it looks terrible in my opinion.

 Turalon wrote:
Lord looks cool, but why does GW insist on using that terrible orange/green colour scheme like they did in the new guard book.

it looks terrible in my opinion.

If it's the same green that was on the Crons in the Exterminatus book I rather liked it. The orange I could go either way on, but I thought the green was a nice match for the silver.

And I'm just happy they didn't do like Hollywood and just do orange and blue.

EDIT: Better example link.

 ClockworkZion wrote:
If it's the same green that was on the Crons in the Exterminatus book I rather liked it. The orange I could go either way on, but I thought the green was a nice match for the silver.

And I'm just happy they didn't do like Hollywood and just do orange and blue.

EDIT: Better example link.

lol something I never realised but will now constantly find!

 nflagey wrote:
Oh so *you* think someone writing about fungus-based organisms launching invasions while fighting with each other, or about metallic skeleton with reminiscence of ancient Egypt, or about Ridley Scott's Alien like creatures, ... do not care about how the game is played, including tournaments?

Do you know what a non-sequitur is?

I dislike the green and beige look, because it is too reminiscent of contemporary military gear. Of everything we have seen regarding the Necrons of seventh the look of the Khaki Dynasty is the one that falls the most into the "bland and everything is the same" category. All that is missing is this:

C'tan Equipment Choices
Primus
1-5 Cargo Shorts
6-Camouflage Jacket

bodazoka wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:
If it's the same green that was on the Crons in the Exterminatus book I rather liked it. The orange I could go either way on, but I thought the green was a nice match for the silver.

And I'm just happy they didn't do like Hollywood and just do orange and blue.

EDIT: Better example link.

lol something I never realised but will now constantly find!

Yeah, once you see it it's hard to unsee it.

The Division Of Joy wrote:
I just wanted dice goddamit.

Oh man, I'd be all over some sweet Necron dice!

 BlaxicanX wrote:

 nflagey wrote:
Oh so *you* think someone writing about fungus-based organisms launching invasions while fighting with each other, or about metallic skeleton with reminiscence of ancient Egypt, or about Ridley Scott's Alien like creatures, ... do not care about how the game is played, including tournaments?

Do you know what a non-sequitur is?

yes Sir
maybe I was not clear, so to put it simply, I guess that if your job is to write (or participate in the writing of) 40k or WFB codex/supplements, you need to be (1) interested in the sci-fi/fantasy aspect and (2) interested in the gaming aspect
don't you think?

But not necesarily in the tournament aspect of the game because it has nothing to do with the fluff.