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Wait is the Obelisk a Heavy Support choice that's a Super Heavy as well cause man that's pretty sweet.

 SilverDevilfish wrote:

changemod wrote:
Certainly with 12 inch movement you can use it to control line of sight to a degree whilst it lives, and presumably provoke quite a bit of effort into killing it.


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Oh, and Thunderblitz.

It just kind of tilts then swings itself and knocks the space marines into the horizon.

Thunderblitz just might be what makes it barely viable.

It crushes something silly enough to stand within 12 inches, fires off an Annie Barge's worth of shots into three units (Four if lucky) for less than the cost of three barges, then blocks some line of sight whilst daring the enemy to shoot back. All whilst giving flyers a slight middle finger.


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Don't quite think I could proxy my Pylon as one without four equidistant points to mark the fire points though, sadly.

If it's a super heavy and not a Lord of War, that's pretty good.

Wonder what it's formation in the Decurion does...

Is that a formation or just a optional slot, I mean does it make sense that there would just be a Deathmark formation that's a unit of Deathmarks?

I think some of those are formations and some of those are just " You can take these units".

Hollismason wrote:
If it's a super heavy and not a Lord of War, that's pretty good.

Depends on what kindof shooting it has

14/14/14 superheavy sounds scary, but if it has no guns you just ignore it

It's got the fire power of Four Annihilation Barges and can fire independently if it's a Super Heavy. That's not terrible especially considering you now Deep Strike at Combat Speed.

Hollismason wrote:
Is that a formation or just a optional slot, I mean does it make sense that there would just be a Deathmark formation that's a unit of Deathmarks?

I think some of those are formations and some of those are just " You can take these units".

It's:
1 Obelisk
0-2 Monoliths

so it's likely a formation. That said it might do something near useless like just extend the dangerous terrain ability by 6".

Also Combat Speed is irrelevant, Super Heavies always count as having not moved for the purposes of shooting.

What the hell level of points to GW think people play. Seriously.

Hollismason wrote:
What the hell level of points to GW think people play. Seriously.

Well, the consensus seeming to form here is that the Obelisk actually ain't too bad for regular play. I mean, assuming you have some way to scrape hull points off a vehicle that has AV 14 and immunity to dying immediately to explodes results at any rate.

Might be very slightly entirely capable of gleefully rampaging through someone without a backup way to pop land raiders once you pop their initial anti tank.

No I mean if you look at the Decurion detachment, most of the formations are upwards of 200 or more points.

Hollismason wrote:
No I mean if you look at the Decurion detachment, most of the formations are upwards of 200 or more points.

Ah right.

Well then, it's expecting you to fit about eight or nine in a 2000 point list then.

Hollismason wrote:
What the hell level of points to GW think people play. Seriously.

As big as possible, to make them more money.

Playing at 1500 points and can't afford some of the formations? Buy more models and play at 2000 points!

Could just about fit a 1000 point list into a maxed out Destroyer Cult formation.

5*Destroyers: 200

5*Destroyers: 200

5*Destroyers: 200

3*Heavy Destroyers: 150

Destroyer Lord: Unknown, probably about 200 with all upgrades.

Maybe supplement with a few Scarabs or Wraiths to give the D Lord some ablative wounds?

I really wanna know what the rules for the formations are.

Destroyer Cult looks really boss and comes with a Destroyer Lord. I'm not sold on normal Destroyers, but H. Destroyers, yes please.

Hollismason wrote:
I really wanna know what the rules for the formations are.

I'm there with you. I have 20+ destroyers waiting to see some action

Wonder if Destroyer Lord's will have access to Phase Shifters.

Destroyers getting jump shoot jump basically fixes them completely. Adding another wound and giving them a FnP style save is super gravy.

You could legitimately field a destroyer wing army and be pretty competitive (not uber top tier stuff, just my local meta anyway).

It would be pretty infuriating for an opponent facing off against them when the entire army jumps out and shoots you then hides in your turn! lol

bodazoka wrote:
Destroyers getting jump shoot jump basically fixes them completely. Adding another wound and giving them a FnP style save is super gravy.

You could legitimately field a destroyer wing army and be pretty competitive (not uber top tier stuff, just my local meta anyway).

It would be pretty infuriating for an opponent facing off against them when the entire army jumps out and shoots you then hides in your turn! lol

Some of us have been doing that for a long time with Tau...

Looking at the way the MSS is spoiled, I think he might mean it causes a fear like affect? For example, "During a challenge the opposing character takes a leadership test on 3d6, if it passes the model is unaffected, if it fails it attacks with WS1 for the remainder of the fight subphase." That would make for a fairly good adjustment, and less janky wording. Either way I really could care less as MSS was never game breaking in any game I ever played.

Hmm... Doesn't Jet Pack infantry Destroyer Lords destroy their ability to function as part of a Wraith unit?

Someone with the new Codex was talking on Bell of lost souls.

The source seems to be confirming that the Chronometron, Dispersion Shield, and Resurrection Orb are not artifacts and can be taken in multiples.

I foresee a squad of Lychguard and/or Praetorian with a Cryptek with Dispursion Shield/Solar Staff and a Lord with a Resurrection Orb/Orb of Eternity as a nice beat stick against some friends who thinks assault in 7e is too gimped to be used. Lets see if he likes 2+/3++/4++(4++) bearing down on him.

http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2015/01/necrons-ask-dude-codex.html

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
We joke about Fear and how pathetic it is. Really makes you wonder about the guys in the studio and if they really understand that most the armies in the game flat out ignore that rule.

The bad guys all get Fear so the good guys seem more heroic when they ignore it. That's how you Forge The Narrative.

 Abadabadoobaddon wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
We joke about Fear and how pathetic it is. Really makes you wonder about the guys in the studio and if they really understand that most the armies in the game flat out ignore that rule.

The bad guys all get Fear so the good guys seem more heroic when they ignore it. That's how you Forge The Narrative.

"I swear to god I'll pistol whip the next person that says [Forge the Narrative]!"

 Nilok wrote:

 Abadabadoobaddon wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
We joke about Fear and how pathetic it is. Really makes you wonder about the guys in the studio and if they really understand that most the armies in the game flat out ignore that rule.

The bad guys all get Fear so the good guys seem more heroic when they ignore it. That's how you Forge The Narrative.

"I sear to god I'll pistol whip the next person that says [Forge the Narrative]!"

I guess we'll have to weld the story from now on then.

Multiple one use items would suck. "So, which unit has an unused resorb in it?".....I demand WYSIWYG. When you use it, you have to cut the model's hand off so I can tell which unit has one.

changemod wrote:
Hmm... Doesn't Jet Pack infantry Destroyer Lords destroy their ability to function as part of a Wraith unit?

Yeah, we'll have to see what's up with them. I stated before that they're not good with Wraiths anymore anyway, with the change to Whip Coils and MSS. In fact, if they don't have a decent shooting attack (something more than Staff of Light), they're probably not worth bringing.

Res orbs for the Destroyers/Heavies is nice, and if they can bring the 5++ against shooting upgrade that'd be nice too, but as it stands I dunno what they're supposed to do. Maybe go with Flayed Ones or Lychguard to give them PE.

 agnosto wrote:
Multiple one use items would suck. "So, which unit has an unused resorb in it?".....I demand WYSIWYG. When you use it, you have to cut the model's hand off so I can tell which unit has one.

Magnets.

Better hope you don't lose that Res Orb.

 Nilok wrote:

 agnosto wrote:
Multiple one use items would suck. "So, which unit has an unused resorb in it?".....I demand WYSIWYG. When you use it, you have to cut the model's hand off so I can tell which unit has one.

Magnets.

Better hope you don't lose that Res Orb.

LED's are the obvious choice. Keep the unused ones on.

Good luck putting wire in those Necron arms.

 Nilok wrote:
Someone with the new Codex was talking on Bell of lost souls.

The source seems to be confirming that the Chronometron, Dispersion Shield, and Resurrection Orb are not artifacts and can be taken in multiples.

I foresee a squad of Lychguard and/or Praetorian with a Cryptek with Dispursion Shield/Solar Staff and a Lord with a Resurrection Orb/Orb of Eternity as a nice beat stick against some friends who thinks assault in 7e is too gimped to be used. Lets see if he likes 2+/3++/4++(4++) bearing down on him.

http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2015/01/necrons-ask-dude-codex.html

We still don't have a confirmation. These are from the guy on TyranidHive who posted all the info this afternoon.