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Requizen wrote:
This is what I'm trying to say.

C'Tan have one gun named "Powers of the C'Tan" I know it's not really a "gun", but it is a shooting power, so it's the same. When you shoot it, it has a random profile. You can't shoot the same "gun" twice in the same turn.

I don't know how you would interpret that any differently.

Could be a boner killer for sure.

The way I read it, it also seems like a single weapon. It having random effects doesn't make it 6 different weapons anymore than the snazz-gun's random effects make it count as different weapons.

@ BlaxicanX you can apologize while beating your wife too, but it doesn't forgive. It's like when someone say "no offense" then proceeds to offend. Complaining without the facts while covering your ass is still complaining without the facts.

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rollawaythestone wrote:

KurtAngle2 wrote:
C'Tan can't shoot multiple powers since each power translates into the same ranged weapon with different profiles, and albeit you can shoot with 2 different ranged weapons at the same target (given the MC status), you can't use the same weapon TWICE

The language suggests that they are six separate weapons, though - just organized under a single heading. In fact they even have six different weapon profiles.

Its not crystal clear, but I would think they fire two.

I guess that means the Rod is two weapons as it clearly has two profiles.

This is Twin-Linked Devourers are two guns because it's plural all over again.

Worse comes to worst, The Nightbringer will be able to fire off two things a turn thanks to his Gaze of Death.

 Red Corsair wrote:
@ BlaxicanX you can apologize while beating your wife too, but it doesn't forgive. It's like when someone say "no offense" then proceeds to offend. Complaining without the facts while covering your ass is still complaining without the facts.

Are you implying that you're going to beat my wife? And not even apologize for it!?

And maybe so, but I don't need the facts to point out that random is a gak mechanic and being able to roll only once is a gak mechanic. The realization that you might be able to roll twice doesn't make my complaint any less valid.

And for the record, it's still totally up in the air whether or not they can use the ability twice (seems to be a YMDC situation)- but that hasn't stopped you from jumping for joy about it. At best, you don't think that's a bit hypocritical?

 Malika2 wrote:
So erm, any actual new models besides the Overlord and those tokens?

Nope. Otherwise it's just some reboxing.

Which is fine, the army didn't need a lot of additional models (though the Finecast ones could have used an update to plastic) and it's mostly an update to streamline the army into 7th which is fine by me. The game can't get better without updates that help fix it and with how the book is looking it feels more balanced than it used to.

 SilverDevilfish wrote:

rollawaythestone wrote:

KurtAngle2 wrote:
C'Tan can't shoot multiple powers since each power translates into the same ranged weapon with different profiles, and albeit you can shoot with 2 different ranged weapons at the same target (given the MC status), you can't use the same weapon TWICE

The language suggests that they are six separate weapons, though - just organized under a single heading. In fact they even have six different weapon profiles.

Its not crystal clear, but I would think they fire two.

I guess that means the Rod is two weapons as it clearly has two profiles.

It has one split profile. That is different than six separately named weapon profiles.

 Malika2 wrote:
So erm, any actual new models besides the Overlord and those tokens?

Not on release day.

We'll see with this week's White Dwarf. If there are new models, they'll be next week and will be listed in the "new products" section at the end. There was an old rumor about Plastic Crypteks/Lords, but that's unlikely as the ones in the book are the same. There was also a bit about Destroyers getting a new box that included DLords and Heavy Destroyer options, but I don't think that's happening yet.

 BlaxicanX wrote:


Or at the least, we'll just have what we have now. Wraith-wing has always been one of the most powerful builds. Jy2's croissant-spam/wraithwing hybrid in particular has taken him really far.

I've seen and played against that before and, at least under the current codex, it's very difficult to beat, largely impossible for many "single source/traditional CAD" builds. The Wraiths are going to be even more capable now, though with the Scythes going up in points it may not have as much support firepower, though it'll need it less too.

 BlaxicanX wrote:

 Red Corsair wrote:
@ BlaxicanX you can apologize while beating your wife too, but it doesn't forgive. It's like when someone say "no offense" then proceeds to offend. Complaining without the facts while covering your ass is still complaining without the facts.

Are you implying that you're going to beat my wife?

And maybe so, but I don't need the facts to point out that random is a gak mechanic and being able to roll only once is a gak mechanic. The realization that you might be able to roll twice doesn't make my complaint any less valid.

Mate, how about we both just drop it. If I pissed on your cheerios I really didn't intend to and apologize. I'd rather have fun with the new info wouldn't you?

 Vhalyar wrote:
Seems like Mephrit Dynasty is the big winner for anyone wanting to run a C'tan. God Shackle at a mere 10 points is excellent and makes them immune to S4.

Agreed. I honestly think I like their artefacts list more too. I mean that Res Orb only giving a +1 when activated is pretty lame.

Pulled from the same reliable source and not sure if it has already been posted:

Canoptek Wraiths - 120 points (unit of 3)

WS4 BS4 S6 T5 W2 I2 A3 Ld10 Sv.3+

Fearless, Rending, Very Bulky

Wraith Form: Canptek Wraiths have 3+ Invuln. Save

Wraithflight: When moving, Canoptek Wraiths can move over all other models and terrain as if they were open ground. However, they cannot end their move on top of other models and can only end their move on top of impassable terrain if it is possible to actually place the models on top of it.

May include up to three additional Canoptek Wraiths

Any model may take one of the following:

Whip Coils -
Particle caster -
Transdimensional beamer -


and the only way to take wraiths now is with a tax:

Canoptek Harvest=
1 Canoptek Spyder
1 unit of Canoptek Wraiths
1 unit of Canoptek Scarabs

Special Rules: Move Through Cover, Relentless
At start of Movement phase, can gain Fleet, Reanimation Protocols, or Shred. Spyder and all formation units within 12" gain those special rules until your next movement phase.

Yeah, after people got over the "Reanimation and Orb change is killing my immersion" complaints, everyone's come to realize that this is mostly a complete buff for Necrons. Changes, sure, we work differently and old armies need to change what they put on the table, but better overall imo.

Requizen wrote:
Yeah, after people got over the "Reanimation and Orb change is killing my immersion" complaints, everyone's come to realize that this is mostly a complete buff for Necrons. Changes, sure, we work differently and old armies need to change what they put on the table, but better overall imo.

In my humble opinion, this codex is the ****

Requizen wrote:
Yeah, after people got over the "Reanimation and Orb change is killing my immersion" complaints, everyone's come to realize that this is mostly a complete buff for Necrons.

And who cares about flavour, so long as your army is the strongest?

Yea at least this codex doesn't have anything like wyches or hellions.

It is definitely a nice balance between Wardcrons and Oldcrons with delicious sprinkles of awesomeness liberally added.

Requizen wrote:

 Malika2 wrote:
So erm, any actual new models besides the Overlord and those tokens?

Not on release day.

We'll see with this week's White Dwarf. If there are new models, they'll be next week and will be listed in the "new products" section at the end. There was an old rumor about Plastic Crypteks/Lords, but that's unlikely as the ones in the book are the same. There was also a bit about Destroyers getting a new box that included DLords and Heavy Destroyer options, but I don't think that's happening yet.

The next White Dwarf releases can be seen in the Harlequin thread. No new Necrons.

 vipoid wrote:

Requizen wrote:
Yeah, after people got over the "Reanimation and Orb change is killing my immersion" complaints, everyone's come to realize that this is mostly a complete buff for Necrons.

And who cares about flavour, so long as your army is the strongest?

So changing the timing on RP while making just about every crap unit playable means less flavor to you? I don't get it. It always required your imagination to apply fluff to in game mechanics, I know the timing changed but it isn't that hard to picture still.

 Red Corsair wrote:
Yea at least this codex doesn't have anything like wyches or hellions.

My poor DE.

 vipoid wrote:

Requizen wrote:
Yeah, after people got over the "Reanimation and Orb change is killing my immersion" complaints, everyone's come to realize that this is mostly a complete buff for Necrons.

And who cares about flavour, so long as your army is the strongest?

New flavor: they don't even have to fall down for the repairs to start with them mending as they march towards you. I don't know, that seems more badass to me.

 vipoid wrote:

 Red Corsair wrote:
Yea at least this codex doesn't have anything like wyches or hellions.

My poor DE.

*pats on back* there there now *slides warscythe between ribs*

 Henker-Kind wrote:

Requizen wrote:
Yeah, after people got over the "Reanimation and Orb change is killing my immersion" complaints, everyone's come to realize that this is mostly a complete buff for Necrons. Changes, sure, we work differently and old armies need to change what they put on the table, but better overall imo.

In my humble opinion, this codex is the ****

Yeah, despite removing a number of options and some dumb rule decisions (Ghost Ark), it seems the codex will buff enough.

I'll miss my various little "Dirty Necron Tricks" as my group calls them (Leman Russ Parking lot? Meet Deepstriking Stormteks), and I'll dread CC even more now.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 Vhalyar wrote:
Seems like Mephrit Dynasty is the big winner for anyone wanting to run a C'tan. God Shackle at a mere 10 points is excellent and makes them immune to S4.

Agreed. I honestly think I like their artefacts list more too. I mean that Res Orb only giving a +1 when activated is pretty lame.

Definitely yeah. God Shackle and Solar Thermasite are great, and they can use the Necron warlord table which would have been Mephrit's weakness.

There's a guy I've been talking to who wants to sell me his Necron army, including some 20 warriors, a trio of Wraiths and a Doomsday Ark.

I might just take him up on that...

Woahhh hold on

Wraiths can take Transdimensional Beamers still (10 points per model)

TransBeamers are now:
12" || S4 || AP2 || Heavy 1, Exile Ray

Exile Ray: To Wound of 6 automatically Wounds no matter Toughness, and has Instant Death. Penetration roll of 6 is an automatic Penetration no matter the target's AV.

Daaang, if only we could get Relentless on them somehow.

Necrons got a needed toning down.

Lets hope Eldar are next haha

 Red Corsair wrote:

 vipoid wrote:

Requizen wrote:
Yeah, after people got over the "Reanimation and Orb change is killing my immersion" complaints, everyone's come to realize that this is mostly a complete buff for Necrons.

And who cares about flavour, so long as your army is the strongest?

So changing the timing on RP while making just about every crap unit playable means less flavor to you? I don't get it. It always required your imagination to apply fluff to in game mechanics, I know the timing changed but it isn't that hard to picture still.

The auto-repair mechanics are just that fast and powerful now lol

 RivenSkull wrote:

 Henker-Kind wrote:

Requizen wrote:
Yeah, after people got over the "Reanimation and Orb change is killing my immersion" complaints, everyone's come to realize that this is mostly a complete buff for Necrons. Changes, sure, we work differently and old armies need to change what they put on the table, but better overall imo.

In my humble opinion, this codex is the ****

Yeah, despite removing a number of options and some dumb rule decisions (Ghost Ark), it seems the codex will buff enough.

I'll miss my various little "Dirty Necron Tricks" as my group calls them (Leman Russ Parking lot? Meet Deepstriking Stormteks), and I'll dread CC even more now.

but now you an just overrun them with sheer brute durability and force (and that flavourfull Void Reaper - I start to love it's story already!!!)