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 Kanluwen wrote:
Morghast and Blightkings are the only non-character units that got rules in End Times, but again they also had WD rules printed and were specifically set up so that you can take them in normal army lists.

Good to know.

Please note I'm not trying to browbeat you or say "OMG YOU'RE SO WRONG IT HAS TO BE WOOD ELVES!!1!"

I do hope it is Wood Elves instead of Harlequins though. I really could use a Waywatcher/Wardancer double kit...

I'm really doubting it's Wood Elves since the sources who said it was Harlequins are pretty accurate and no one has said Wood Elves.

Stop crushing my dreams, Clockwork!

 Kanluwen wrote:
Stop crushing my dreams, Clockwork!

Sorry!

 Kanluwen wrote:
Stop crushing my dreams, Clockwork!

You could just paint the harlequins in earth tones, and swap out anything shooty for a blade. Poof! Wardancers!

 Skerr wrote:

 Asmodas wrote:

 Fayric wrote:

Warhams-77 wrote:
Thanks for chiming in and sharing info again, Sad Panda A Solitaire model like the 2nd ed John Blanche artwork? Very much looking forward to it. Have you heard anything about the bikes? Yay or Nay?

If this rumor has any truth in it I think they will have to add bike harlies (what else could make them playable?) But then again, it would look strange to give harlies new bikes and not updating regular craftworlders bikes.
But if its a dual kit with windriders, the poor shining spears are left out.

I bet that it will be a dual kit with Warlocks on Jetbikes. It's one of the only units without a model left in the entire game, and it happens to be a very popular one.

We dont have Farseers on bikes unless I missed it. Harlies on bikes would be awesome but farseers and warlocks on bikes would be dream

I would be in favor of dual kits but dont think they will. The model torsos would be diffrent (I think), but hey, if they make them, I will buy them.

You are of course correct - there is no model for Farseers on jetbikes. That just means there are two units in the Eldar codex without models. The Harlequin jetbike kit is rumored to be a dual kit, but dual with what? It could just be windriders, but they already have an official model (admittedly an old one). So, I just ask, what is the most logical thing for GW to use for the other half of the kit, given their stated policy of replacing or removing all units that don't have models yet? Warlocks on jetbikes fits that hole very well.

Keep in mind I am just reading the tea leaves, like everyone else. If they did a Harlequin/Windrider box, I will buy one. If they make a Harlequin/Jet-Warlock box, I will buy 2 or 3.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
Morghast and Blightkings are the only non-character units that got rules in End Times, but again they also had WD rules printed and were specifically set up so that you can take them in normal army lists.

Good to know.

Actually, Skaven Stormfiends are End Times and are not character units...I don't have the current white dwarf, but Im sure their rules were printed in it and are were also meant to be available in non-End Times army lists....but being a Rare choice and costing 85pts/model..there are better options to take in the form of HPAs, and Warp Lightning Cannons.

I haven't collected Eldar since I sold my 2nd edition mostly metal army...but a multi-kit featuring Harlequins sculpted by Jes Goodwin would be an auto buy for me...

If GW wanted to update Eldar Jetbikes with this Harlequin release it's easy. Use 2 spures. One spure contains the Jetbike by it's self and the other spure has whatever other rider you need, in the case Harlies. Heck GW could make a rider spure that had both guardian and shinning spears bits on it. Boom instant dual kit

 MrFlutterPie wrote:
If GW wanted to update Eldar Jetbikes with this Harlequin release it's easy. Use 2 spures. One spure contains the Jetbike by it's self and the other spure has whatever other rider you need, in the case Harlies. Heck GW could make a rider spure that had both guardian and shinning spears bits on it. Boom instant dual kit

If only we lived in a world where GW sprues weren't mixed up and all over the place.

 Fango wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
Morghast and Blightkings are the only non-character units that got rules in End Times, but again they also had WD rules printed and were specifically set up so that you can take them in normal army lists.

Good to know.

Actually, Skaven Stormfiends are End Times and are not character units...I don't have the current white dwarf, but Im sure their rules were printed in it and are were also meant to be available in non-End Times army lists....but being a Rare choice and costing 85pts/model..there are better options to take in the form of HPAs, and Warp Lightning Cannons.

I haven't collected Eldar since I sold my 2nd edition mostly metal army...but a multi-kit featuring Harlequins sculpted by Jes Goodwin would be an auto buy for me...

The last release of Harlequins were Quite nice honestly. An army would make me paint them.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 MrFlutterPie wrote:
If GW wanted to update Eldar Jetbikes with this Harlequin release it's easy. Use 2 spures. One spure contains the Jetbike by it's self and the other spure has whatever other rider you need, in the case Harlies. Heck GW could make a rider spure that had both guardian and shinning spears bits on it. Boom instant dual kit

If only we lived in a world where GW sprues weren't mixed up and all over the place.

These days it looks like they're mixed up and all over the place to fit more into less space. I mean we have a lot more stuff on less sprues than we used to now.

Oh I know why they do it - I'm not about to denigrate GW's plastic technology and the efficient way they now pack sprues with bitz - but it does mean that something like a dedicated "Jetbike sprue" and then separate "crew sprues" are less likely, because they'll just jumble everything into as few sprues as possible, meaning we're unlikely to get new regular Eldar Jetbikes for a while.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Oh I know why they do it - I'm not about to denigrate GW's plastic technology and the efficient way they now pack sprues with bitz - but it does mean that something like a dedicated "Jetbike sprue" and then separate "crew sprues" are less likely, because they'll just jumble everything into as few sprues as possible, meaning we're unlikely to get new regular Eldar Jetbikes for a while.

True. Unless the bodies are the same for all riders and they pack in extra heads or something.

Then again there could be a whole other reason for it to not be a dual pack: the front section could match the old style bikes and have the same grinning face on them.

 Asmodas wrote:

 Skerr wrote:

 Asmodas wrote:

 Fayric wrote:

Warhams-77 wrote:
Thanks for chiming in and sharing info again, Sad Panda A Solitaire model like the 2nd ed John Blanche artwork? Very much looking forward to it. Have you heard anything about the bikes? Yay or Nay?

If this rumor has any truth in it I think they will have to add bike harlies (what else could make them playable?) But then again, it would look strange to give harlies new bikes and not updating regular craftworlders bikes.
But if its a dual kit with windriders, the poor shining spears are left out.

I bet that it will be a dual kit with Warlocks on Jetbikes. It's one of the only units without a model left in the entire game, and it happens to be a very popular one.

We dont have Farseers on bikes unless I missed it. Harlies on bikes would be awesome but farseers and warlocks on bikes would be dream

I would be in favor of dual kits but dont think they will. The model torsos would be diffrent (I think), but hey, if they make them, I will buy them.

You are of course correct - there is no model for Farseers on jetbikes. That just means there are two units in the Eldar codex without models. The Harlequin jetbike kit is rumored to be a dual kit, but dual with what? It could just be windriders, but they already have an official model (admittedly an old one). So, I just ask, what is the most logical thing for GW to use for the other half of the kit, given their stated policy of replacing or removing all units that don't have models yet? Warlocks on jetbikes fits that hole very well.

Keep in mind I am just reading the tea leaves, like everyone else. If they did a Harlequin/Windrider box, I will buy one. If they make a Harlequin/Jet-Warlock box, I will buy 2 or 3.

I would be down with Locks on bikes. It does make sense to release them (warlocks) in multiples while a Seer biker would probably be stand alone kit with various upgrades for 40 bucks. Let's hope your powers of divination are accurate.

Really interested to see what GW can do with plastic Harlequins I can see me dumping my Necrons, sisters and accumulated Marine detritus if the models are lovely.

They were OP as hell in 2nd, but hopefully they will be balanced this time around.

Harleyquin Troupe is unavailable on GW website for few days already, so I doubt it's Wood Elves.

I'm looking forward to this release, though given the trend, I'm afraid the actual price will be the same or even higher than the price of finecast for the same amount of models.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Oh I know why they do it - I'm not about to denigrate GW's plastic technology and the efficient way they now pack sprues with bitz - but it does mean that something like a dedicated "Jetbike sprue" and then separate "crew sprues" are less likely, because they'll just jumble everything into as few sprues as possible, meaning we're unlikely to get new regular Eldar Jetbikes for a while.

This kind of approach is pretty pointless now that the cost of making molds isn't a limiting factor anymore.

Even if GW decided to make 2 jetbike kits, it's more efficient to just make a larger, standalone sprue for each kit, even if all the jetbike parts are copy/pasted, rather than a common Jetbike sprue and then separate rider sprues.

 Asmodas wrote:

 Fayric wrote:

Warhams-77 wrote:
Thanks for chiming in and sharing info again, Sad Panda A Solitaire model like the 2nd ed John Blanche artwork? Very much looking forward to it. Have you heard anything about the bikes? Yay or Nay?

If this rumor has any truth in it I think they will have to add bike harlies (what else could make them playable?) But then again, it would look strange to give harlies new bikes and not updating regular craftworlders bikes.
But if its a dual kit with windriders, the poor shining spears are left out.

I bet that it will be a dual kit with Warlocks on Jetbikes. It's one of the only units without a model left in the entire game, and it happens to be a very popular one.

You're not thinking like a GW. How can it be a popular option if there is no model? Those people who use them must have converted them. So we can release a model for them and hope that people replace their conversions with official models, or we could completely remove the option from the rules and then those people will be forced to replace their conversions with official models as they try to fill the gap in their army left by the invalidated conversions. And the second option doesn't even require us to release a new kit!

Now which do you think GW is more likely to do?

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Oh I know why they do it - I'm not about to denigrate GW's plastic technology and the efficient way they now pack sprues with bitz - but it does mean that something like a dedicated "Jetbike sprue" and then separate "crew sprues" are less likely, because they'll just jumble everything into as few sprues as possible, meaning we're unlikely to get new regular Eldar Jetbikes for a while.

This kind of approach is pretty pointless now that the cost of making molds isn't a limiting factor anymore.

Even if GW decided to make 2 jetbike kits, it's more efficient to just make a larger, standalone sprue for each kit, even if all the jetbike parts are copy/pasted, rather than a common Jetbike sprue and then separate rider sprues.

Since when is the cost of mold making not a limiting factor? They still cost ~£15,000 a pop, so they're still going to want to have to make fewer of them.

 Abadabadoobaddon wrote:

 Asmodas wrote:

 Fayric wrote:

Warhams-77 wrote:
Thanks for chiming in and sharing info again, Sad Panda A Solitaire model like the 2nd ed John Blanche artwork? Very much looking forward to it. Have you heard anything about the bikes? Yay or Nay?

If this rumor has any truth in it I think they will have to add bike harlies (what else could make them playable?) But then again, it would look strange to give harlies new bikes and not updating regular craftworlders bikes.
But if its a dual kit with windriders, the poor shining spears are left out.

I bet that it will be a dual kit with Warlocks on Jetbikes. It's one of the only units without a model left in the entire game, and it happens to be a very popular one.

You're not thinking like a GW. How can it be a popular option if there is no model? Those people who use them must have converted them. So we can release a model for them and hope that people replace their conversions with official models, or we could completely remove the option from the rules and then those people will be forced to replace their conversions with official models as they try to fill the gap in their army left by the invalidated conversions. And the second option doesn't even require us to release a new kit!

Now which do you think GW is more likely to do?

I honestly don't think GW put that much thought into it - I suspect it's more viewed as "tidying up" regardless of the actual consequences - but I've never been much of a conspiracy theorist.

Relatively small changes in the Dark Eldar codex frelled up my favourite lists but it didn't make me rush out to buy new DE stuff, I just put the army away and sulked instead - a much more adult response!

Anyway a Harlie 'dex would at least feel like a partial reparation so I'm hoping it turns out to be a real thing.

 Goliath wrote:
Since when is the cost of mold making not a limiting factor? They still cost ~£15,000 a pop, so they're still going to want to have to make fewer of them.

Firstly, you can go look at every GW release in the last 6 or so years and you'll see that they're prioritizing simplicity of casting/packing over minimizing the number of new molds and they're going to some lengths to do away with "accessory" type sprues.

Secondly, I think you're overshooting as far as actual tooling goes. That's how much you pay for a third party company to do it for you, GW have their own hardware and engineers.

Thirdly, 2 stand alone sprues is 2 sprues, one generic sprue and 2 rider sprues is 3 sprues, so

 Captain Blood wrote:

 Abadabadoobaddon wrote:

 Asmodas wrote:

 Fayric wrote:

Warhams-77 wrote:
Thanks for chiming in and sharing info again, Sad Panda A Solitaire model like the 2nd ed John Blanche artwork? Very much looking forward to it. Have you heard anything about the bikes? Yay or Nay?

If this rumor has any truth in it I think they will have to add bike harlies (what else could make them playable?) But then again, it would look strange to give harlies new bikes and not updating regular craftworlders bikes.
But if its a dual kit with windriders, the poor shining spears are left out.

I bet that it will be a dual kit with Warlocks on Jetbikes. It's one of the only units without a model left in the entire game, and it happens to be a very popular one.

You're not thinking like a GW. How can it be a popular option if there is no model? Those people who use them must have converted them. So we can release a model for them and hope that people replace their conversions with official models, or we could completely remove the option from the rules and then those people will be forced to replace their conversions with official models as they try to fill the gap in their army left by the invalidated conversions. And the second option doesn't even require us to release a new kit!

Now which do you think GW is more likely to do?

I honestly don't think GW put that much thought into it - I suspect it's more viewed as "tidying up" regardless of the actual consequences - but I've never been much of a conspiracy theorist.

Relatively small changes in the Dark Eldar codex frelled up my favourite lists but it didn't make me rush out to buy new DE stuff, I just put the army away and sulked instead - a much more adult response!

Anyway a Harlie 'dex would at least feel like a partial reparation so I'm hoping it turns out to be a real thing.

I want to give them my money for that, but if they won't take it... then I'm afraid Privateer Press will get it because my Trollbloods still need things. Like more Longriders.

 ergotoxin wrote:
Harleyquin Troupe is unavailable on GW website for few days already, so I doubt it's Wood Elves.

I'm looking forward to this release, though given the trend, I'm afraid the actual price will be the same or even higher than the price of finecast for the same amount of models.

Just want to point out that whether something is "Unavailable" or not is a poor indicator. All the Harlequin models are showing as "Ships within 24 hours" on the US site.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 ergotoxin wrote:
Harleyquin Troupe is unavailable on GW website for few days already, so I doubt it's Wood Elves.

I'm looking forward to this release, though given the trend, I'm afraid the actual price will be the same or even higher than the price of finecast for the same amount of models.

Just want to point out that whether something is "Unavailable" or not is a poor indicator. All the Harlequin models are showing as "Ships within 24 hours" on the US site.

I just ordered a shadowseer and Deathjester just i for kicks earlier, they dont have the "troope" box though.

migooo wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 ergotoxin wrote:
Harleyquin Troupe is unavailable on GW website for few days already, so I doubt it's Wood Elves.

I'm looking forward to this release, though given the trend, I'm afraid the actual price will be the same or even higher than the price of finecast for the same amount of models.

Just want to point out that whether something is "Unavailable" or not is a poor indicator. All the Harlequin models are showing as "Ships within 24 hours" on the US site.

I just ordered a shadowseer and Deathjester just i for kicks earlier, they dont have the "troope" box though.

The US site still does...

Remember to be clear about where you're mentioning.

I think it's pretty safe to say that Harlequins are coming as they are now listed as "No Longer Available" on the UK site.

 Kanluwen wrote:

migooo wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 ergotoxin wrote:
Harleyquin Troupe is unavailable on GW website for few days already, so I doubt it's Wood Elves.

I'm looking forward to this release, though given the trend, I'm afraid the actual price will be the same or even higher than the price of finecast for the same amount of models.

Just want to point out that whether something is "Unavailable" or not is a poor indicator. All the Harlequin models are showing as "Ships within 24 hours" on the US site.

I just ordered a shadowseer and Deathjester just i for kicks earlier, they dont have the "troope" box though.

The US site still does...

Remember to be clear about where you're mentioning.

I think it's pretty safe to say that Harlequins are coming as they are now listed as "No Longer Available" on the UK site.

Yes sorry, UK

To keep the road to disappointment out of the nav system. There have been no rumors from a solid source about a Harlequin Codex yet. If there is a printed or digital only publication like a Codex (Tempestus or Inquisition), Codex Supplement (Crimson Slaughter) or a Campaign Supplement (like Shield of Baal: Leviathan), it will be leaked until friday next week or the week after. There is only speculation about that yet, which is fine, and most ideas like those from Faeit seem to be likely. But the problem is that with GW's marketing strategy which is mostly focussing on not informing a customer until he is gonna get wallet-raped (not telling anything new), much is possible, but nothing can be trusted until the product is available. Personally, being in the hobby for 24 years now, and having a large Saim-Hann army amongst other Eldar, I don't think a new CWE jetbike release is likely. In 2013 Jes Goodwin commented on the highly awaited bikes on Games Day (UK if my memory is correct) after the new codex and the wraith-construct heavy release (including a Iyanden supp) that they had to choose between that and new bikes. I am confident the future will bring a CWE Jetbikes, Shining Spears and a Jetseer Council release maybe even accompanied by a Saim-Hann supplement. But not this one. It just does not fit into GW's release patterns of late. Harlequins don't seem to fit a biker-heavy release and vice-versa. But who knows for sure... I don't

ShadowWolf32387 on Faeit 212 wrote:
Natfka,
I just noticed in the White Dwarf Paint Splatter section that the hint for next week's Paint Splatter says "Trouping the colors...". The only thing that could reference using that spelling is a Troupe, which to my knowledge ONLY applies to the Harlies. Combine that with the "Dance of Death" hint we got, and it makes a convincing argument that the Harlequins are very close, maybe even next week.

Hmm, this is getting interesting! Hopefully we'll get some leaks Monday.