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 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
I suspect we're not going to get a separate Death Jester mini

as if you look at the finecast one

Spoiler:

the mask looks very like one of those (no 5) on the troupe sprue that's not featured heavily but is shown in the WD

Spoiler:

so it might well be a case of rules showing up but you'll need to use one of them as the mini

That might mean nothing. The mask that the Death Jester is wearing is meant to represent one of the Aspects of Khaine(that of Death), but not exclusive to the Death Jester.

Plus there's this line in the Harlequin Troupe's product description:

There is a huge amount of variety for both posing and choosing weapons options and all of the components in this kit are fully interchangeable with the other Harlequin plastic kits.

I'm glad I found a metal Death Jester in a dump bin for $2. Might actually get some Harleys together for a display piece. I'd still rather get the metal ones, I think. Something about these new ones don't flow or feel as smooth. They feel rigid and lifeless in comparison.

If it wasn't a $50 conversion, I could see combining the new Solitaire with the DE Shadowblade (a better model in terms of pose) to make a truly stunning piece:

Quick question, I dont play any 40k but the Solitaire model is reaching out to me to convert it into a fantasy model.

The question! Is his cloak cutting through that rock? is that a thing in 40k? From the photo it looks like its clearly passing through the stone and he leaps over it...

Chopxsticks wrote:
Quick question, I dont play any 40k but the Solitaire model is reaching out to me to convert it into a fantasy model.

The question! Is his cloak cutting through that rock? is that a thing in 40k? From the photo it looks like its clearly passing through the stone and he leaps over it...

Ew, I just saw that. I dunno if it's part of his "holosuit" stuff, but that's really poor looking.

Whats crazy is you could easily glue the edge of the cape to the rock and it would still hold up just fine. I have a rat ogre swinging the bell from the Screaming bell kit. very thin chain and its had zero problems.

 Paradigm wrote:
Also, they've listed the height of a SM as 2.10m! Can we stop the endless debates on that now? D:

Ha!

No.

It's just in-universe propaganda.

 TheKbob wrote:

Chopxsticks wrote:
Quick question, I dont play any 40k but the Solitaire model is reaching out to me to convert it into a fantasy model.

The question! Is his cloak cutting through that rock? is that a thing in 40k? From the photo it looks like its clearly passing through the stone and he leaps over it...

Ew, I just saw that. I dunno if it's part of his "holosuit" stuff, but that's really poor looking.

Honestly, I think it could actually look really cool if it were more exaggerated, and the suit was painted to look like it was phasing through the rock (and perhaps coming out the other side?). As it is, it looks like a bad conversion.

Ya, if it had some of what ever is happening on the tip of his cloak, but happening in front of the rock.

The Codex cover artwork is probably the one shown in the first seconds of the new GW Harlequin video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZUma7TH6gI

They did this before, Dark Eldar had their codex cover teasered early amongst others. This artwork also shows... several modern-style Jetbikes

I think the new solitares rules will work well for my poor baron sathonax conversion.

Has anyone noticed that there are two of the same harlequin troupe on the GW site?

Any insight into a deeper meaning, or would this just be a website glitch?

One entry in the Eldar Elites section.
One entry in the Harlequin Troops section.

Similar to how Chaos Demons can be found in the 40k and Fantasy sections even though they're the same models.

I believe he's talking about two Harlequin Troupes on the Preorder Page.

Allies of Convenience Imperium? Hmm. That could be fun. If they have a decent transport, they could become handy allies for my Grey Knights, which would even be fluffy (even if I plan to use my Dark Eldar wych models to play them)

 Paradigm wrote:

 TheKbob wrote:

Chopxsticks wrote:
Quick question, I dont play any 40k but the Solitaire model is reaching out to me to convert it into a fantasy model.

The question! Is his cloak cutting through that rock? is that a thing in 40k? From the photo it looks like its clearly passing through the stone and he leaps over it...

Ew, I just saw that. I dunno if it's part of his "holosuit" stuff, but that's really poor looking.

Honestly, I think it could actually look really cool if it were more exaggerated, and the suit was painted to look like it was phasing through the rock (and perhaps coming out the other side?). As it is, it looks like a bad conversion.

If you look at the 360, the cloak doesn't go into the rock, it's just that the attachment point from the rock to the solitare is via his belt scarf to the rock, so it looks weird.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
If you look at the 360, the cloak doesn't go into the rock, it's just that the attachment point from the rock to the solitare is via his belt scarf to the rock, so it looks weird.

Yeah, it's not really "cutting through" the stone, it's more like the edge of the material is touching the stone because he's leaping over it. It's still kinda "off" I guess, but your only other option is either a gigantic flight stand up his ass or the same tired "foot on rock" pose, so...

I'm very impressed with how they've done the heads. Rather than including eleventy billion heads, they just included a few, but the heads lack faces, so they have eleventy billion faces! Very good way of doing it.

Warhams-77 wrote:
The Codex cover artwork is probably the one shown in the first seconds of the new GW Harlequin video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZUma7TH6gI

They did this before, Dark Eldar had their codex cover teasered early amongst others. This artwork also shows... several modern-style Jetbikes

They look like "starweavers" to me.

Bojazz wrote:One entry in the Eldar Elites section.
One entry in the Harlequin Troops section.

Similar to how Chaos Demons can be found in the 40k and Fantasy sections even though they're the same models.

Ghaz wrote:I believe he's talking about two Harlequin Troupes on the Preorder Page.

Yeah, that's because there is one entry in Troops, and one entry in Elites, as Bojazz says. If you click on the Preorder Page (your link, Ghaz), and mouse over (but don't click) the first, the URL in will say "Harlequin-Troupe-Troop" and the other will say "Harlequin-Troupe-Elite".

 katfude wrote:

Warhams-77 wrote:
The Codex cover artwork is probably the one shown in the first seconds of the new GW Harlequin video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZUma7TH6gI

They did this before, Dark Eldar had their codex cover teasered early amongst others. This artwork also shows... several modern-style Jetbikes

They look like "starweavers" to me.

Not skyweavers? You mean the transport? Comparing the pic with the DE codex cover they look like quite similiar to the dark eldar jetbikes

I think they're Craftworld Vypers in the background of that pic. The 'Quins do work with their kin after all.

The shapes look similiar to the Vyper's as well, yep

Totally theory crafting here, but wouldn't it be cool if the starweaver were actually a new dual Starweaver/Vyper kit?

Transports 6 Harlequins, or replaces the transport capacity to mount a heavy weapon?

I'd buy that.

Edit: also, Harlequin transfer sheet.

Neat.

The Paint Splatter 'next time' preview says: 'The Midnight Sorrow weave a dance across the sky'... So, Skyweavers next week, I guess. If the Starweaver is the DT, I'm guessing these are the Jetbikes?

There were rumors that the transport has a max 12 capacity. I hope its not a vyper/venom chassis and too small for a Quin troupe with Characters attached. The vyper/venom idea makes sense though

Not sure, Paradigm. The Midnight Sorrow is this painting scheme according to the Lexicanum wiki

It could be jetbikes or the transport/heavy support-kit

Yeah... I'll just do a paint scheme similar to Harley Quinn's if I get any. All that checks stuff would drive me mad!

I think they're very well-executed models compared to what GW has been doing lately. They fall short though of "great", for the same reason every GW multi-part plastic is going to fall short of "great"... they don't look like they're truly bodies in motion. Rather, they look like mannequins posed in the manner of how a school boy might think a body in motion might look if they've never tried to move athletically themselves.

It all comes down to GW's reliance on multi-part plastics. You'll never get a body that truly looks like it's in motion as long as you design all the parts of that body as separate pieces that have no relationship to each other. The human body isn't some robot machine where every limb moves completely independently, it's an armature sheathed in overlapping muscles that must balance against each other to keep the form together.

Which, if GW plastics were super-cheap, would make this sort of complaint completely irrelevant. If the Harlequin Troupe box was half its current price, I'd say it was a tremendous value and be totally willing to ignore the shortfalls in the sculpts. But when the company wants to charge top-dollar for average-quality results, I'm going to take my business to the plethora of sculptors out there who know what a human-like body in motion actually looks like. Even if that means I have to buy single-pose resin/metal models. Especially if that means I have to buy single-pose resin/metal models, because single-pose is the only way to really ensure that your model truly looks like a human-like body in motion.

So you're going to get a sculptor to create multiple unique models that look like eldar harlequins? Is that a real thing or you're just saying it because you had no intention of buying harlequins anyway?

Probably looking at 2000$ to have someone do that... yes much more cost effective :p

 JOHIRA wrote:
Even if that means I have to buy single-pose resin/metal models. Especially if that means I have to buy single-pose resin/metal models, because single-pose is the only way to really ensure that your model truly looks like a human-like body in motion.

To each their own, I suppose. I definitely prefer diversity and the ability to customise the models. Even at the expense of half-realistic poses and the like.

Anyway, damn you, Harlequins. I swore not to buy any models for a long time but they just keep tempting me.

 SarisKhan wrote:

 JOHIRA wrote:
Even if that means I have to buy single-pose resin/metal models. Especially if that means I have to buy single-pose resin/metal models, because single-pose is the only way to really ensure that your model truly looks like a human-like body in motion.

To each their own, I suppose. I definitely prefer diversity and the ability to customise the models. Even at the expense of half-realistic poses and the like.

Anyway, damn you, Harlequins. I swore not to buy any models for a long time but they just keep tempting me.

Indeed. It's a compromise I'm more than happy to make, the loss of 'natural' poses for the ability to customise the minis how I want them to look. And I honestly couldn't say I see an issue with these sculpts in that regard anyway; built how they are, and probably in several other combinations, they look perfectly fluid and natural to me. I mean, for Dancing Technicolour Space Elves, they're about as realistic as it gets.

Of course you need an eye for posing, but I reckon that since about the DE redux, GW have really done well with getting Eldar sculpts spot-on in terms of motion, feel and style.

 JOHIRA wrote:
I think they're very well-executed models compared to what GW has been doing lately. They fall short though of "great", for the same reason every GW multi-part plastic is going to fall short of "great"... they don't look like they're truly bodies in motion. Rather, they look like mannequins posed in the manner of how a school boy might think a body in motion might look if they've never tried to move athletically themselves.

It all comes down to GW's reliance on multi-part plastics. You'll never get a body that truly looks like it's in motion as long as you design all the parts of that body as separate pieces that have no relationship to each other. The human body isn't some robot machine where every limb moves completely independently, it's an armature sheathed in overlapping muscles that must balance against each other to keep the form together.

Which, if GW plastics were super-cheap, would make this sort of complaint completely irrelevant. If the Harlequin Troupe box was half its current price, I'd say it was a tremendous value and be totally willing to ignore the shortfalls in the sculpts. But when the company wants to charge top-dollar for average-quality results, I'm going to take my business to the plethora of sculptors out there who know what a human-like body in motion actually looks like. Even if that means I have to buy single-pose resin/metal models. Especially if that means I have to buy single-pose resin/metal models, because single-pose is the only way to really ensure that your model truly looks like a human-like body in motion.

You keep referring to the human body. Eldar are not human, so your comparison makes as much sense as saying a sculpture of an ape is bad because it doesn't match the way a human would move.