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And *three* harlie troups... Wtf.

 Shandara wrote:
Why Fear? On a vehicle..

Cuz if they're not immune (yeah right) and they fail (not likely), then they hit your vehicle on 4's instead on 3's. Yaaaaay!

There is a section that talks about warlord traits and they recommend choosing the troupe master as he has access to all the Warlord traits and the BRB traits. There are 3 trait tables - Light, Twilight and Dark
Apperently the solitaire and deathjester have limits on what tables they can choose from and the solitaire can not have one....
I do not understand why limit the Troupes to 3 only? Does not make sense.

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:
Looks like if you want to play Bound Harlequins you need the a unit of Skyweavers and Voidweavers, sorry everyone who didn't want to use 'quinbikes.

The Starweaver is a Fast Attack choice so you wouldn't need Skyreavers for a Battleforged list.

So you must take multiple detachments to get more troupes, and therefore buy more Skyweavers/Voidweavers?


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 Ghaz wrote:

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:
Looks like if you want to play Bound Harlequins you need the a unit of Skyweavers and Voidweavers, sorry everyone who didn't want to use 'quinbikes.

The Starweaver is a Fast Attack choice so you wouldn't need Skyreavers for a Battleforged list.

Ah I keep forgetting DTs are FA choices for 7th Ed codexs.
Derp

Wow, yeah, didn't process the 'only 3 troops' thing at first.
What the hell?

 Eiluj The Farseer wrote:
I do not understand why limit the Troupes to 3 only? Does not make sense.

Fluff. If you need a larger army, take another detachment, representing another Harlequin Masque (I believe that's the correct term for a Harlequin 'army').

Hmm, nevermind. I was planning to run at least four Starweavers so I guess I'd just have to go with two Masques and be fine.

Really like the Voidweaver. Seems like the prismatic thing would work better with the cannon and still get you some AT in a pinch. Better to leave the haywire on the Skyweavers at first glance.

That CAD is just beyond weird. Oh well, I guess I'm glad I preordered two boxes of bikes now.

Not a fan of the 6 man limit on the transport capacity in combination with the 3 troupe limit per Masque. That limits me to only 18 Harlies for the entire army! Lame.

 Ghaz wrote:

 Eiluj The Farseer wrote:
I do not understand why limit the Troupes to 3 only? Does not make sense.

Fluff. If you need a larger army, take another detachment, representing another Harlequin Masque (I believe that's the correct term for a Harlequin 'army').

I get what you are saying, but if it was fluff, then it would contain Mimes that would be part of the troupe as well as a Master Mime and a High Avatar or now Troupe master, but it changes its fluff to suit its needs
It still mentions the mimes just not in the army


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 Asmodas wrote:
That CAD is just beyond weird. Oh well, I guess I'm glad I preordered two boxes of bikes now.

Not a fan of the 6 man limit on the transport capacity in combination with the 3 troupe limit per Masque. That limits me to only 18 Harlies for the entire army! Lame.

Agreed

With the new codex, do any of those units still exist? And if they do, are they a part of a Masque?

I must say that I do like the looks of the Voidweaver, though, and it seems like it could be pretty effective. I won't mind adding one of those to the team.

It limits you to 18 Harlies for one CAD if you plan to put them all in Starweavers.
You could easily have two CADs with 36 Harlequins.

If you play Maelstrom you'd probably want some smaller foot squads for close objective grabbing anyway (although Death Jesters might suit that role better...who knows).

That force org is terrible, I am not really wanting to play an army that restrictive and crappy.
I mean only 3 troops... no hq's, 1 heavy support...
Not really digging this, was really looking forward to this.
What garbage.

We may also find that the codex offers a larger 'unit' made up of multiple individual Masques under the command of a High Avatar

(or perhaps as a later expansion like the Tyranids got)

though I'm not stunningly hopeful

I think you need to assume that you are using two Masques and breakdown what units you wanted to use.
Did you really want more than two units of Voidweavers?

We're missing some key information, but I think the all Harlequin list I thought I wanted to run still 'fits', it's just framed in a different way.

No true HQ is disappointing though.

No HQ? What a wasted opportunity to include a Great Harlequin. Doesn't even need a model. Regular Harli + Glaive from Skyweaver kit = Great Harli.

We also have no word on what kind of Formations may be available.

But that wouldn't be a model they could sell you in a clampack. Then they would be open to the predations of the contemptible third party companies.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
No HQ? What a wasted opportunity to include a Great Harlequin. Doesn't even need a model. Regular Harli + Glaive from Skyweaver kit = Great Harli.

Or the glaive from the Starweaver kit that serves no purpose at all...

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
No HQ? What a wasted opportunity to include a Great Harlequin. Doesn't even need a model. Regular Harli + Glaive from Skyweaver kit = Great Harli.

How am I going to run Harlies as a small Allied Detachment for my Dark Eldar without any HQs?

You'd just plug the Masque in.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
No HQ? What a wasted opportunity to include a Great Harlequin. Doesn't even need a model. Regular Harli + Glaive from Skyweaver kit = Great Harli.

How am I going to run Harlies as a small Allied Detachment for my Dark Eldar without any HQs?

You just buy 3 boxes of Harlies, a Solitaire and 3 of the Skimmers. For the low, low cost of £150-ish, you too can actually use the minis you just bought.

Or you can feth that, and ask your opponents to be reaosnable and allow a Shadowseer or such to count as an HQ for allied detachment purposes. Outside of a tournament, I imagine few would refuse, if they do then just call it Unbound and do it anyway.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
No HQ? What a wasted opportunity to include a Great Harlequin. Doesn't even need a model. Regular Harli + Glaive from Skyweaver kit = Great Harli.

How am I going to run Harlies as a small Allied Detachment for my Dark Eldar without any HQs?

It will probably have its own FOC

I'm really hoping that this Detachment is designed for allying them into other armies, and isn't the only Detachment in the entire Codex. It's just... odd. >_> I mean, no Troupe Master? Really? Unless they do like the Harlequin Formation printed in the Valedor book, and let you upgrade one of your Troupe Leaders in your regular squads to a Troupe Master and give him extra buffs, in which case he wouldn't need a separate HQ slot. But that would also mean that using Harlequins at all in the tradition Ally Detachment is a no-go.

Also, I wouldn't freak out too much about the '18 Harlies' thing, as I would be completely shocked if the final Codex didn't include something like a Webway Portal or Psychic power for the Shadowseer to bring in bigger squads on foot. And the Starweaver looks great; it really stacks up well against the Venom for its cost, and seems like it'll be a real asset (which is good, as our only transport).

But requiring one HS slot... that's just strange. What if you don't like the Voidweaver? Or maybe Death Jesters will be Heavy Support? But no, that wouldn't make sense with the seven Elite slots...

Would be nice if the photograph had included all the text just to the left of the chart...

GW is pushing more people into taking multiple Detachments and formations as legal army lists.

Let's all get used to it!

Wait...
Eiluj, can you confirm whether or not there is a codex up for preorder in this upcoming WD?

Maybe it's a formation instead of the full foc?

Is there anything to contradict this being some sort of WD only detachment and an HQ choice being in the codex?