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 Lurker wrote:
To 'Forge the Narrative', perhaps for:

Great Harlequin = Succubus // Phoenix Lord
Mimes = Wyches // Guardians

Harlequin Jetbikers (individual) = Reavers // Shining Spears
Mime Jetbikers = Hellions // Guardian Jetbikers

Thoughts?

Mimes are more the scout/infiltrator/assassin types, so those wouldn't really fit their traditional role.

 paqman wrote:

Warhams-77 wrote:
It sounds like there will be more detachments

Obviously, we will have something like half a dozen different formations with special powers, so no worries here for me.

I meant the wording in the latest WD leaks by which I got the impression the Masque detachment is one among several I am fine with the already leaked one, and plan to update my RT Harlequins accordingly. And yes, formations for Harlequins are to be expected.

 Lurker wrote:
To 'Forge the Narrative', perhaps for:

Great Harlequin = Succubus // Phoenix Lord
Mimes = Wyches // Guardians

Harlequin Jetbikers (individual) = Reavers // Shining Spears
Mime Jetbikers = Hellions // Guardian Jetbikers

Thoughts?

I was thinking of including Asurman to a large troupe. Hell, might as well go unbound and have Asurman and Harlies charging up in a DR raider.

Warhams-77 wrote:

 paqman wrote:

Warhams-77 wrote:
It sounds like there will be more detachments

Obviously, we will have something like half a dozen different formations with special powers, so no worries here for me.

I meant the wording in the latest WD leaks by which I got the impression the Masque detachment is one among several I am fine with the already leaked one, and plan to update my RT Harlequins accordingly. And yes, formations for Harlequins are to be expected.

They made 6 formations with Heamonculus, wracks, taloi and chronoses.
I don't even have a single second of doubt that we will have plenty of formations choices in 10 days from now

In an effort to talk people off the ledge, there is more flexibility to the Harlequin Masque Detachment than one might think.

1. With 5++ saves and the ability to receive Dance of Shadows cast upon them, you can do a Heelequin list (Get it? Footdar? Heel? HA!) composed of full Troupes that can maneuver downfield while Voidweavers and Skyweavers harass and distract while at the same time benefiting from an early 4++ save to really confound your opponent.

2. With access to Gate of Infinity, put a Shadowseer in a full Troupe to DS them to a better location while the rest of your army advances hard upon them.

3. I'm really surprised that, after reading so many pages of comments, no one has considered buying an undedicated Starweaver for a FA slot and putting 5 Death Jesters w/ a Shadowseer on it as an Elite Strike Force unit. With this you can either do Heelequins with your three Troupes, 6-man units on Starweavers with all of them or some combination thereof.

4. While the HS requirement is restrictive, nothing says you have to field three. Field a naked Voidweaver and use those unspent points elsewhere.

5. As others have pointed out, we still don't know what the Enigmas do.

6. Run a Shadowseer Council of your own. Let the Voidweaver Squadron and Skyweavers manage anti-vehicle for you.

7. Go heavy with Skyweavers and light on Troupe counts to seize objectives.

Lots of options here. Not to mention we still don't know what the rest of the codex will have. For all we know the connection to Eldar on the cover may open up other options like Wraithlords like they used to have in 4e.

Why do people even assume that that Detachment is the only way to field Harlequins? IMHO it's like the Realspace Raiders Detachment from DE Codex, a faction-specific and fluffy variant of the Rulebook's bog-standard CAD and Allied Detachments. There was nothing that said the Harlequins cannot use those. Nothing.

People are entitled to have and voice their opinions, but such dramatic reactions so soon are a bit silly. Y'know, patience?

 SarisKhan wrote:
Why do people even assume that that Detachment is the only way to field Harlequins? IMHO it's like the Realspace Raiders Detachment from DE Codex, a faction-specific and fluffy variant of the Rulebook's bog-standard CAD and Allied Detachments. There was nothing that said the Harlequins cannot use those. Nothing.

People are entitled to have and voice their opinions, but such dramatic reactions so soon are a bit silly. Y'know, patience?

Well, nothing except that the Harlequins cannot fulfil the CAD and Allied Detachment minimum HQ requirement, of course, as they do not have any HQ units. But the codex could still have other formations or detachments.

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Welcome to DakkaDakka, Tropic Thunder. There are definitely options how to play Harlequins, thanks for pointing some good out using the Masque detachment

Hmm... so the Harlequin book is a Codex Eldar supplement then?

nah, it's just like how Codex: Blood Angels is actually Codex Adpetus Astartes: Blood Angels.

If it was a supplement it would be titled Harelquins - A Codex: Eldar Supplement

Exactly

I dun goofed.

 plastictrees wrote:
Wondering if they will have a 'pick an elite as your HQ' option outside of the Masque?
It sounds like they have a uniquely diverse Warlord trait selection, maybe you can pick a new warlord in-game if yours is killed? Might make sense from a 'shifting role' perspective.
Anyway.
Deciding between pre-ordering 6 Star/Voidweavers or 8...

Your warlord doesn't have to be a HQ, it can be any character model in the army, you can have Vet sgt steve be your warlord and hide him in a bunker all game while your HQ unit runs rampant and care free.

Tropic Thunder wrote:
In an effort to talk people off the ledge, there is more flexibility to the Harlequin Masque Detachment than one might think.

1. With 5++ saves and the ability to receive Dance of Shadows cast upon them, you can do a Heelequin list (Get it? Footdar? Heel? HA!) composed of full Troupes that can maneuver downfield while Voidweavers and Skyweavers harass and distract while at the same time benefiting from an early 4++ save to really confound your opponent.

2. With access to Gate of Infinity, put a Shadowseer in a full Troupe to DS them to a better location while the rest of your army advances hard upon them.

3. I'm really surprised that, after reading so many pages of comments, no one has considered buying an undedicated Starweaver for a FA slot and putting 5 Death Jesters w/ a Shadowseer on it as an Elite Strike Force unit. With this you can either do Heelequins with your three Troupes, 6-man units on Starweavers with all of them or some combination thereof.

4. While the HS requirement is restrictive, nothing says you have to field three. Field a naked Voidweaver and use those unspent points elsewhere.

5. As others have pointed out, we still don't know what the Enigmas do.

6. Run a Shadowseer Council of your own. Let the Voidweaver Squadron and Skyweavers manage anti-vehicle for you.

7. Go heavy with Skyweavers and light on Troupe counts to seize objectives.

Lots of options here. Not to mention we still don't know what the rest of the codex will have. For all we know the connection to Eldar on the cover may open up other options like Wraithlords like they used to have in 4e.

It's less of worrying how they might play then it forces me to build a list I didn't want. It's not at all how I wanted to build a list, or what I expected from the list.
Least the models are nice.

Yeah. I really hope they have their own version of the allied detachment or some way to gain an HQ. I just want to sprinkle some sweet looking Harlies into my DE army, not start a whole new army.

 Ravenous D wrote:

 plastictrees wrote:
Wondering if they will have a 'pick an elite as your HQ' option outside of the Masque?
It sounds like they have a uniquely diverse Warlord trait selection, maybe you can pick a new warlord in-game if yours is killed? Might make sense from a 'shifting role' perspective.
Anyway.
Deciding between pre-ordering 6 Star/Voidweavers or 8...

Your warlord doesn't have to be a HQ, it can be any character model in the army, you can have Vet sgt steve be your warlord and hide him in a bunker all game while your HQ unit runs rampant and care free.

I know, that doesn't conflict with what I'm describing.


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Some info from the current WD:
The Codex blurb says: "The Codex also provides a full rules section for unleashing your masque on the battlefield, either as individual units or as the mighty Masque Detachment."

So it looks like we are only getting one detachment/formation, but people looking to ally a couple of units in to their regular armies (or, presumably, to a Masque Detachment!) won't have a problem.

If they let any unit run solo then that would be great.

 Ravenous D wrote:
If they let any unit run solo then that would be great.

Agreed. I am planning on running them with CWE, so smaller commitment is definitely better. I will run the Masque at some point, but that's a lot of painting down the line.

Running them independent of force org requirements, sounds like unbound to me. Now, I do loves me some unbound, but, a lot of people seem to dislike the notion. I wanna see some formations that grant a couple units special rules to make painting up a unit as mimes worthwhile.
My guy at hobbytown just told me that my book is indeed being held up by the dock workers strike. Wish one of those guys would crack open a crate and take some shaky pictures already

 Ravenous D wrote:
If they let any unit run solo then that would be great.

You're completely free to run any unit in the game alongside any other unit in the game in your army right now - it's called unbound. No extra special rules needed.

MaxT wrote:

 Ravenous D wrote:
If they let any unit run solo then that would be great.

You're completely free to run any unit in the game alongside any other unit in the game in your army right now - it's called unbound. No extra special rules needed.

Yeah, but I think most folks are hoping for a way to run them alongside other units "not-unbound."

 Asmodas wrote:

MaxT wrote:

 Ravenous D wrote:
If they let any unit run solo then that would be great.

You're completely free to run any unit in the game alongside any other unit in the game in your army right now - it's called unbound. No extra special rules needed.

Yeah, but I think most folks are hoping for a way to run them alongside other units "not-unbound."

Indeed.

I don't think unbound is ever really referenced in that way in any book so far is it?


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Went with 6 star/voidweavers in case someone with severe OCD is trackingy purchases. Figured I'd need more room for seers and DJs.

I think the long coated harlequin gunner legs from the weaver will be a nice base for another DJ.

I agree with the positive talkers here. We have not seen the codex yet. But honestly let's not Bi**h. I am just happy to have a dex again. Having started 40k with Harlequins.. I am just happy to be able to field them by themselves again. Is the detachment everything I wanted? No, but I think it is workable. With Designated transports being able to be taken as Fast Attack slots in all the 7th edition codices now, it makes taking 2 fast attack slots easy and useful. Either as a gun boat, something to hold a "devastator" squad like Deathjesters... In the old edition they used to be taken as units of 1-3... now could be 7! cool! Now my shadowseers can do so much more like back in the old days! I for one am uber excited. Just give it a chance and don't look at the negative yet. If you see the codex and still hate them... then I suggest a different army or wait until next edition...

Does anyone have the WD yet? Or, at least, which units/products are being released next Friday?

So... Im not usually one to do a preorder, so Im not "in the know". The PreOrder for the Dex is the 14th, 20th, or 21st?

 gregor_xenos wrote:
So... Im not usually one to do a preorder, so Im not "in the know". The PreOrder for the Dex is the 14th, 20th, or 21st?

That's pretty much what I wanted to know. I think the whole thing is kind of backwards -- without the codex, it's not really helpful to buy multiples of the new units. I'd rather they came out with the codex first, and then staggered the models.

And I just yesterday evening assembled one Troupe and Solitaire, and daaaaaaaamn :

1. Details and quality of plastic is just fantastic - it was loooong time since I saw models sclupted with so much precision and smallest ins and outs. Especially all the masks - it is just jaw-dropping.
2. A bit of a shame that possibilities of poses/looks of models are.. restrained at best. Almost clam-pack restrained. Sure, you got very wide choice of weaponry and torsos ( and yes, you can make Troupe Master in coat and rest in armors - I did it like this ), but their legs aren't able to change pose without some SERIOUS and very skilled converting.
3. After assembling the squad you still have quite good amount of bits left over - a torso, a head, swords/kisses/guns/meltas and so on. If you got a spare CWE/DE model who's got right pose and legs, then you can, in fact, easily make another Player or your-own-prepared-to-be-HQ.

Overall - can't wait to buy Sky/Voidweavers for these guys, and despite quite high price for 6 models of Troupe - it is well worth it
Left second squad to assemble for today, then I am going to start painting them right away - time tp make use of that pink paint I bought so much time ago

Gotta agree. It's a great kit. I plan to buy two more troupes, 3 Starweavers, 3 Voidreavers and 4-6 sky weavers, plus DJ's and Shadowseers.


Full Harlequin army go!!

 gregor_xenos wrote:
So... Im not usually one to do a preorder, so Im not "in the know". The PreOrder for the Dex is the 14th, 20th, or 21st?

Today I believe. Unless it's not for another week, then it'll be the 20th. But I think it's today.