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Lockouts, slowdowns, strike; the term used is just window dressing to assign blame. Truth is, the blame should rest squarely on the union AND the employer.
Forget about our man-dollies (gasp), this is effecting 'Murica.

Some shiftless government official should step up and start bashing heads (read wallets).

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So that Mask relic and an archon with armor of misery = -4 to enemy leadership within 12".... Holy crap, just tank shock them off the table with chainsnares

Sod that, psychic shriek their faces off!

 Azreal13 wrote:
Sod that, psychic shriek their faces off!

Thought of that too, but it would take 3 books to do it the twisted way I'd want. That being with a shadow counsel from Iyandin

WWP Armor of misery Archon + Mask Shadow seer + 5 Spirit seers= one dead army after they stop in to say hellow, REALLY LOUDLY! Muahahaha

 Red Corsair wrote:

 Azreal13 wrote:
Sod that, psychic shriek their faces off!

Thought of that too, but it would take 3 books to do it the twisted way I'd want. That being with a shadow counsel from Iyandin

WWP Armor of misery Archon + Mask Shadow seer + 5 Spirit seers= one dead army after they stop in to say hellow, REALLY LOUDLY! Muahahaha

If you can take multiple Shadowseers (no assumptions till codex in hand), then this is probably still possible. Both mirror and laugh could do some serious work, using the archon w/armor of misery and WWP to nuke your target. Not as good or reliable as psychic shriek, but can still wipe out a squad of your choosing or instantly grant you Slay the Warlord (with mirror).

Alt, Farseer + SS's gating around doing same thing using terrify to make it -3LD.

Spitballing, but as long as you can take multiple shadowseers there's definitely going to be a way to make "Face-melt-star" happen.

Just imagine if one of the Spiritseers rolls horrify also....

 Dash2021 wrote:


If you can take multiple Shadowseers (no assumptions till codex in hand), then this is probably still possible. Both mirror and laugh could do some serious work, using the archon w/armor of misery and WWP to nuke your target. Not as good or reliable as psychic shriek, but can still wipe out a squad of your choosing or instantly grant you Slay the Warlord (with mirror).

You can take multiple SS. In WD they suggest to take 3 SS and 3DJ and a Solitaire to fill the 7 elite slots of the masque detactment

 Desubot wrote:

 Schlyne wrote:
the dice and the datacards are still available in the US right now. First time I've seen that go this long...

And the reason for the delay in the US is due to a dockworker strike on the west coast. Hurrah, let's screw up shipping for the entire country!

Is there a notice from the dubs that it will be delayed?

Otherwise they usually send out a voucher for like 50 bucks IIRC.

Yeah, if you read the little fine print under the datacards, or looked at the description you'd see the "not shipping until march 7th".

I'm sure GW is going to get assaulted with complaints about people not getting print for something they have no control over, however...

I wonder how many people in the US said "eff this, I'm not gonna wait, i'm going digital", or decided to wait and see how it shakes out, since they can't get a book in their hands next week.

Strike/lockdown..sorry, I hadn't gotten around to looking at actual news articles from the coast about the situation. shame on me.

Our local GW manager reminded everybody in the store (since there were a bunch of people in there when the pre-orders went up) that the codex or cards wouldn't ship out until the 7th of march

 Ghaz wrote:

Stiyx wrote:

Warhams-77 wrote:
Only in the US - because of strikes

Oh don't worry for me on the UK store its saying "Availability: Pre-order product that will ship on 09-Feb-2016" so at least you will get it before us!

Seriously hope that its just a typo seeing as I've pre-ordered the book!

Nope. No typo on the US page. The books are presumably coming from China where they're printed and there's a strike at West Coast shipping ports in the US holding things up.

No he means he hopes the 2016 is a typo, which it is.

Rather liking the Voidweaver. That prism weapon looks like a heat lance/fire prism combo.

 MrFlutterPie wrote:

Ace Rimmer wrote:

 MrFlutterPie wrote:

 whembly wrote:

 Shandara wrote:
Big lack of AP2 though. They really want them to rely on Kiss of Death.

Each trouper can be armed with fusion/neuro gun. How may AP2 do you really need?

All of it?

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What's with all of this concussive stuff. Do we even need it? I mean our initiative rating for our army is stupid good.

Nice to see veil of tears back and better then ever

Concussive = pretty much guaranteed Hit & Run

I'm not sure how this works. Hit and Run is an initiative test based on the Harlequins initiative value. The enemies squad's initiative value doesn't matter. Unless I am missing something?

Sorry, I misremembered how Hit & Run works, I was thinking it was both side roll off +I to determine the winner. Goes to show how often I've used it lol.

Why did they have to make the Death Jester's gun dumb? In the vast majority of circumstances the regular shuriken cannon option is going to be best, even against hordes. Disappointing. Hopefully they didn't give him a point cost as if the shreiker ammo is at all valuable. They probably did though... Sad, the Jester is one of GWs best models.

mercury14 wrote:
Why did they have to make the Death Jester's gun dumb? In the vast majority of circumstances the regular shuriken cannon option is going to be best, even against hordes. Disappointing. Hopefully they didn't give him a point cost as if the shreiker ammo is at all valuable. They probably did though... Sad, the Jester is one of GWs best models.

I wouldn't call it dumb by a long stretch. Pinning that unit of fire warriors that could have otherwise obliterated your harle squad can be pretty damn good. Hitting on 3's, followed with wounding on 2's with a 50% chance of a failed armour save. Combine that with the -2 leadership modifier from the war gear and you've probably got a pinned squad- which is great news for your harlequin squad which has just decimated something else. Also can be quite useful against counter-assaults units. Oh, you wanted to charge me? Not today, sir. In fact, I'll charge you!

I probably ~~ wouldn't even make use of the normal rounds from the shuriken cannon- jetbikes and the like are better for that sort of thing. Early days yet, but I'm keen for the synergies.

 Jangus wrote:

mercury14 wrote:
Why did they have to make the Death Jester's gun dumb? In the vast majority of circumstances the regular shuriken cannon option is going to be best, even against hordes. Disappointing. Hopefully they didn't give him a point cost as if the shreiker ammo is at all valuable. They probably did though... Sad, the Jester is one of GWs best models.

I wouldn't call it dumb by a long stretch. Pinning that unit of fire warriors that could have otherwise obliterated your harle squad can be pretty damn good. Hitting on 3's, followed with wounding on 2's with a 50% chance of a failed armour save. Combine that with the -2 leadership modifier from the war gear and you've probably got a pinned squad- which is great news for your harlequin squad which has just decimated something else. Also can be quite useful against counter-assaults units. Oh, you wanted to charge me? Not today, sir. In fact, I'll charge you!

I probably ~~ wouldn't even make use of the normal rounds from the shuriken cannon- jetbikes and the like are better for that sort of thing. Early days yet, but I'm keen for the synergies.

"Hitting on 3s"? It's assault 1. Against MEQ it's extremely ineffective because the chance of killing nothing is so high. Even against fire warriors the chance of doing nothing at all is very high because miss chance plus their armor save plus possibly rolling a failed wound means you'll fail to kill even even a single fire warrior about 70% of the time. That's horrible. And yes, dumb.

If the initial shot was AP3 then yeah it would be solid but it's crappy AP5 and therefore sucks at killing things.

-> meant to be in my last post and not to mention- with said -2 Ld wargear, the unit becomes fearless. Chuck in a Hemlock or two (which also synergises with most of the phantasmancy Ld related powers) and you're laughing. A horrible, sadistic laugh- something only capable of a deranged harlequin war leader

For the points the DJ's probably going to cost, I'd probably rather use the alternative ammunition, regardless of mathhammer. Anyways, I hadn't initially planned on using them, or I might, we still don't know specific points.

 Jangus wrote:
and not to mention- with said -2 Ld wargear, the unit becomes fearless. Chuck in a Hemlock or two (which also synergises with most of the phantasmancy Ld related powers) and you're laughing. A horrible, sadistic laugh- something only capable of a deranged harlequin war leader

Oh, so if I throw in 400 points of flyers from another codex it might be okay because it could pin something?

 Jangus wrote:

mercury14 wrote:
Why did they have to make the Death Jester's gun dumb? In the vast majority of circumstances the regular shuriken cannon option is going to be best, even against hordes. Disappointing. Hopefully they didn't give him a point cost as if the shreiker ammo is at all valuable. They probably did though... Sad, the Jester is one of GWs best models.

I wouldn't call it dumb by a long stretch. Pinning that unit of fire warriors that could have otherwise obliterated your harle squad can be pretty damn good. Hitting on 3's, followed with wounding on 2's with a 50% chance of a failed armour save. Combine that with the -2 leadership modifier from the war gear and you've probably got a pinned squad- which is great news for your harlequin squad which has just decimated something else. Also can be quite useful against counter-assaults units. Oh, you wanted to charge me? Not today, sir. In fact, I'll charge you!

I probably ~~ wouldn't even make use of the normal rounds from the shuriken cannon- jetbikes and the like are better for that sort of thing. Early days yet, but I'm keen for the synergies.

Hitting on 2s, wounding on 2s with a 4+ armor save... that's a 34% chance of killing one Fire Warrior. Yeah... no thanks!

mercury14 wrote:

 Jangus wrote:
and not to mention- with said -2 Ld wargear, the unit becomes fearless. Chuck in a Hemlock or two (which also synergises with most of the phantasmancy Ld related powers) and you're laughing. A horrible, sadistic laugh- something only capable of a deranged harlequin war leader

Oh, so if I throw in 400 points of flyers from another codex it might be okay because it could pin something?

I really don't appreciate your condescending attitude, keep it up and I wont bother responding At the end of the day I play the game to have fun, and I'll field what I want to field in order to achieve said fun.

Mymearan wrote:

 Jangus wrote:

mercury14 wrote:
Why did they have to make the Death Jester's gun dumb? In the vast majority of circumstances the regular shuriken cannon option is going to be best, even against hordes. Disappointing. Hopefully they didn't give him a point cost as if the shreiker ammo is at all valuable. They probably did though... Sad, the Jester is one of GWs best models.

I wouldn't call it dumb by a long stretch. Pinning that unit of fire warriors that could have otherwise obliterated your harle squad can be pretty damn good. Hitting on 3's, followed with wounding on 2's with a 50% chance of a failed armour save. Combine that with the -2 leadership modifier from the war gear and you've probably got a pinned squad- which is great news for your harlequin squad which has just decimated something else. Also can be quite useful against counter-assaults units. Oh, you wanted to charge me? Not today, sir. In fact, I'll charge you!

I probably ~~ wouldn't even make use of the normal rounds from the shuriken cannon- jetbikes and the like are better for that sort of thing. Early days yet, but I'm keen for the synergies.

Hitting on 2s, wounding on 2s with a 4+ armor save... that's a 34% chance of killing one Fire Warrior. Yeah... no thanks!

Hitting on a 3+ unless Jesters are BS5. So it's worse than 34%.

And Jangus, if your definition of "fun" is Death Jesters causing no death at all, have at it. I'm just showing you the math here and it says that Death Jester shrieker ammo will kill zero fire warriors about 70%-75% of the time. I think it's fair to point that out.

The death jester is going to be at least bs5, the troupe leader is, and DJ is going to be more rare and specialized than him. If he weren't able to join other units, I'd say he would probably rival vindicare assassins. Now, let's not forget that the small blast will hit more fire warriors than the one that was killed( do to bunching up to keep the clowns from eating them),even if it only touches two of them, that will be 3 dead pathfinders. No armor OR cover for the second two wounds. That's not bad at all. It's not like they are known for their high leadership.

Lythrandire Biehrellian wrote:
The death jester is going to be at least bs5, the troupe leader is, and DJ is going to be more rare and specialized than him. If he weren't able to join other units, I'd say he would probably rival vindicare assassins. Now, let's not forget that the small blast will hit more fire warriors than the one that was killed( do to bunching up to keep the clowns from eating them),even if it only touches two of them, that will be 3 dead pathfinders. No armor OR cover for the second two wounds. That's not bad at all. It's not like they are known for their high leadership.

The problem is the first Fire Warrior probably won't die in the first place so the explosion won't trigger.

 ImAGeek wrote:

 Ghaz wrote:

Stiyx wrote:

Warhams-77 wrote:
Only in the US - because of strikes

Oh don't worry for me on the UK store its saying "Availability: Pre-order product that will ship on 09-Feb-2016" so at least you will get it before us!

Seriously hope that its just a typo seeing as I've pre-ordered the book!

Nope. No typo on the US page. The books are presumably coming from China where they're printed and there's a strike at West Coast shipping ports in the US holding things up.

No he means he hopes the 2016 is a typo, which it is.

Which is not on the US page.

So you can just have a unit that gives -4 LD to anyone near it.

Shadowseer w/ mantle
Archon w/ Armour of Misery

 Ghaz wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:

 Ghaz wrote:

Stiyx wrote:

Warhams-77 wrote:
Only in the US - because of strikes

Oh don't worry for me on the UK store its saying "Availability: Pre-order product that will ship on 09-Feb-2016" so at least you will get it before us!

Seriously hope that its just a typo seeing as I've pre-ordered the book!

Nope. No typo on the US page. The books are presumably coming from China where they're printed and there's a strike at West Coast shipping ports in the US holding things up.

No he means he hopes the 2016 is a typo, which it is.

Which is not on the US page.

But he wasn't talking about the US page...

Ugh - move along guys, OK?

Thanks!

A quick question about how to field Harlequins as 'allies' - as I've been out of 40K since 6th showed up.

If I wanted to field Harlequins as allies to Eldar and/or Space Marines, do we know the minimum and maximum of units/heroes I'd be able to take?

 Alpharius wrote:
Ugh - move along guys, OK?

Thanks!

A quick question about how to field Harlequins as 'allies' - as I've been out of 40K since 6th showed up.

If I wanted to field Harlequins as allies to Eldar and/or Space Marines, do we know the minimum and maximum of units/heroes I'd be able to take?

Not until codex is out next week. The only detachment that is out is in WD, and it's 800+ points.

 Alpharius wrote:
Ugh - move along guys, OK?

Thanks!

A quick question about how to field Harlequins as 'allies' - as I've been out of 40K since 6th showed up.

If I wanted to field Harlequins as allies to Eldar and/or Space Marines, do we know the minimum and maximum of units/heroes I'd be able to take?

They have the masque detachment, which is listed several pages back. Or either of the 6 formations, which we know nothing about. They will be able to intermix freely with the eldar, and are allies of convenience with all imperial armies. That means they count each other as enemies, but cannot target each other with bad psycker powers or any sort of attack. I hope you get into 7th, it's crazy, but I've been having a blast!

So, out of curiosity, does naming the book "Codex Eldar: Harlequins" mean that Harlequins can be made Fearless by an allied Avatar?

 Doomaflatchi wrote:
So, out of curiosity, does naming the book "Codex Eldar: Harlequins" mean that Harlequins can be made Fearless by an allied Avatar?

From a fluff standpoint, I hope not.

Ok....

Last night I ordered a dice tin and datacards, just in case.

This morning I ordered another dice tin and I broke down for the Troupe Master Edition.

Exciting (and a bit guilty!) times!!