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 Gitzbitah wrote:

 Da krimson barun wrote:

 Ouze wrote:
That article, like so many other similar articles, misspelled "negligence". A shooting in which you let your kid root around in your purse that contains a loaded gatt in it is not an accident, it's a wholly foreseeable outcome of criminal negligence.





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A better headline, btw, would have been "2 year old exercises his second amendment rights"

I need to knowo people actually take the second amendment seriously or is it just used as a joke?because if its not, using laws written in 1791 is.......kinda dumb?

Deadly serious. America knows what many other countries allow themselves to forget- someday, your government will fall into the hands of a whimsical dictator, and need to be disposed of. When that day comes, Americans will be far better armed than the rioters that did this ultimate expression of democracy in Egypt earlier this year. Protection from murderous shoe thieves, and uppity moms is just incidental- those weapons are out there to make our government think twice.

It is a rather terrifying and long term goal, but one that is certainly worthwhile- I don't want to be one of the malcontents wearing freshly baked riot gear when it all goes in the can.



He's got the passion, and his motives may be just- but he would be a lot scarier brandishing a pistol or rifle.

Like every other time an American talks about guns I pray you are joking.

 Da krimson barun wrote:

 Ouze wrote:
That article, like so many other similar articles, misspelled "negligence". A shooting in which you let your kid root around in your purse that contains a loaded gatt in it is not an accident, it's a wholly foreseeable outcome of criminal negligence.





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A better headline, btw, would have been "2 year old exercises his second amendment rights"

I need to knowo people actually take the second amendment seriously or is it just used as a joke?because if its not, using laws written in 1791 is.......kinda dumb?

It is our right to have a gun. It is not our right to be an idiot with said gun. Now, your definition of "idiot" may be different from mine, but if your two year old shoots you with your gun, chances are your stupid opinion was stupid.

I'm not joking at all- well, a bit about defending against moms, and the bread helmet bit was an attempt at levity. But the 2nd amendment was aimed at keeping armed resistance to the government available if the need for it arises.

Oh come now- how long has it been since the Troubles? How many countries from the 90s no longer exist, or have been split, and split again? Nothing lasts forever, least of all government. The 2nd Amendment was put in there because our founders were certain that one day our government would fall to corruption and megalomania, and when that day came, an armed population would have a far easier time overturning their government.

I don't own a gun, and I don't expect that eventuality to come to pass within my lifetime, but inevitably the US will splinter or become a totalitarian state.

The second amendment- "A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."

The intention there isn't personal protection, hunting or anything else- it is there to keep the possibility of armed resistance around in case the government seeks to take away our other freedoms.

Terrible two's everyone thinking lost keys, tantrums, potty training, MATCHES to name a few things. I bet Mom set her purse right in the fold out child seat beside him

I've always said a woman's purse is a dangerous thing to reach into. This just proves my point.

Sad for the kid but Darwin works in mysterious ways.

 angelofvengeance wrote:
It amazes me that people can be so careless with their firearms.

Me too. It seems to be a cultural thing though. In the UK hand guns are treated with the same kind of suspicion as things like nail-bombs. There is no good reason to have one, and someone just casually carrying one around in their handbag sounds like insanity. Americans seem to see guns as more of an everyday thing like power tools. Unfortunately familiarity teaches complacency.

Just the other day in fact, I was using a power drill, and the drill-bit snapped and pinged off at high speed. Luckily it didn't hit me in the face because I wasn't wearing my goggles, because apparently I'm an idiot. Except I'm not really -- those kind of accidents are so rare that all the safety precautions start to feel a bit OTT and unnecessary, you can do them a thousand times and nothing ever happens and it just starts to feel like a waste of time. Until one day you decide "I'll just drill this quick hole", or "I'll just run to wallmart" and you take your safety for granted, and that's that.

Yes it's careless but I think it is also human nature to conflate "rarely happens" with "never happens" and make bad choices.

^ That. The place I work has some safety training that basically amounts to "pay attention. workplace accidents are pretty rare, but every day accidents are not." It seems kind of cheesy but when you think of all the potential times something bad could have happened but it didn't you realize just how dangerous everyday life is once you get complacent.

 Da krimson barun wrote:
Like every other time an American talks about guns I pray you are joking.

Why do you pray we are joking? What is so terrifying about a law-abiding citizen owning a weapon?

 Hordini wrote:

Why do you pray we are joking? What is so terrifying about a law-abiding citizen owning a weapon?

Maybe he's just partial to fresh baked headgear?

Very sad.

I fail to see why someone would need to carry a firearm in a handbag where a two year old can get to it.
And I see Darwin Awards were mentioned..
Assuming it was her own kid, that automatically disqualifies her from entry.. Since she would already have contributed to the gene pool AFAIK..

As for home defence.. 21 feet is all I'll say..

Someone, somewhere, is arguing that this issue could ahve been avoided if the woman had a CCW.

Received additional intel that the weapon discharge happen in Wal-Mart parking lot

Mom left purse in vehicle with kid

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Someone, somewhere, is arguing that this issue could ahve been avoided if the woman had a CCW.

I don't see how having a close combat weapon would help in this situation.

 Avatar 720 wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Someone, somewhere, is arguing that this issue could ahve been avoided if the woman had a CCW.

I don't see how having a close combat weapon would help in this situation.

Its a pistol so its like a extended metal finger used with extreme prejudice

Someone, somewhere else, argues that this wouldn't have happened with a Barrett XM500.

The real tragedy is that she didn't have a backup weapon to return fire.

#gunssavelives

 Ouze wrote:
That article, like so many other similar articles, misspelled "negligence". A shooting in which you let your kid root around in your purse that contains a loaded gatt in it is not an accident, it's a wholly foreseeable outcome of criminal negligence.





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A better headline, btw, would have been "2 year old exercises his second amendment rights"

way to go, blame the victim.

Sad for the kid but Darwin works in mysterious ways.

Considering in this case, her own progeny offed her, it seems Darwin didnt work at all, as her genetic material remains in the gene pool, at least in part.

chaos0xomega wrote:

Considering in this case, her own progeny offed her, it seems Darwin didnt work at all, as her genetic material remains in the gene pool, at least in part.

That's just because his name is Damien.

She wasnt a jackel

Is Idaho a 'stand your ground' state? And does the defendant have to actually be able to stand to claim protection under such laws?

 ScootyPuffJunior wrote:
The real tragedy is that she didn't have a backup weapon to return fire.

#gunssavelives

I don't exalt much, but I did exalt this. And Ash's post.

We shouldn't joke. It is in bad taste. But still, you know there's somewhere out there saying something like this.

chaos0xomega wrote:
way to go, blame the victim.

Damn right. In this case, the incident was 100% the fault of the victims utterly preventable, wholly negligent actions.

 Gitzbitah wrote:

 Da krimson barun wrote:

 Ouze wrote:
That article, like so many other similar articles, misspelled "negligence". A shooting in which you let your kid root around in your purse that contains a loaded gatt in it is not an accident, it's a wholly foreseeable outcome of criminal negligence.





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A better headline, btw, would have been "2 year old exercises his second amendment rights"

I need to knowo people actually take the second amendment seriously or is it just used as a joke?because if its not, using laws written in 1791 is.......kinda dumb?

Deadly serious. America knows what many other countries allow themselves to forget- someday, your government will fall into the hands of a whimsical dictator, and need to be disposed of. When that day comes, Americans will be far better armed than the rioters that did this ultimate expression of democracy in Egypt earlier this year. Protection from murderous shoe thieves, and uppity moms is just incidental- those weapons are out there to make our government think twice.

It is a rather terrifying and long term goal, but one that is certainly worthwhile- I don't want to be one of the malcontents wearing freshly baked riot gear when it all goes in the can.



He's got the passion, and his motives may be just- but he would be a lot scarier brandishing a pistol or rifle.

And you do know that if that day ever comes, you'll be using your second amendment rights to shoot cops right? and then the national guard & maybe even the military?

Think about that when you consider the new york city cops, and the cops go to phrase "He tried to take my gun, and he was charging me, so I had to shot him" Where anyone who could possible, but not known til after the fact is shot dead because they might have a gun. You've already lost the revolution that will never happen, so worried about the 2nd amendment you no longer have any others.

Maybe. But personally if i'm going to die in a lost cause revolution, i'd rather die with a loaded gun in my hand. The way governments are going of late, the 'protect yourself from your government' scenario is looking more and more likely. The basic premise of the 2nd amendment is a good one imo.

 Torga_DW wrote:
The way governments are going of late

Just imagine how you will feel when you find out people have been saying the same thing for centuries.

All this "government is out to get us" fearmongering bs really gets annoying after a while. If you honestly think that the US government is going to start revoking your rights and declaring a dictatorship, then you are a sad, sad person. You are the reason that some nuts want to ban guns.


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 Ashiraya wrote:
Someone, somewhere else, argues that this wouldn't have happened with a Barrett XM500.

I'm not sure that would fit in a purse!

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Someone, somewhere, is arguing that this issue could ahve been avoided if the woman had a CCW.

You're right. And it's almost certainly a non-American with a negligible understanding of US gun laws and culture, trying to make the same old tasteless joke that someone "clever" always makes when something like this happens.

Ahtman wrote:

 Torga_DW wrote:
The way governments are going of late

Just imagine how you will feel when you find out people have been saying the same thing for centuries.

Co'tor Shas wrote:All this "government is out to get us" fearmongering bs really gets annoying after a while. If you honestly think that the US government is going to start revoking your rights and declaring a dictatorship, then you are a sad, sad person. You are the reason that some nuts want to ban guns.

Yeah, this stuff has been going on for a long time, that's why i have my opinion. Nations older than america have gone to pot and back. Nero fiddled while rome burned, archimedes was sold out by the hippies. The US government has been revoking citizens rights lately, there's nothing hypothetical about it. To me the nuts are the ones trying to remove other people's rights to 'make them safer', that never ends well.

 ScootyPuffJunior wrote:
The real tragedy is that she didn't have a backup weapon to return fire.

#gunssavelives

To be fair, even if she did not return fire, having a gun on your person does magically protect you from all harm...