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 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Co'tor Shas wrote:
So the thing is a perpetual motion machine? Do GW writers just not care anymore?

How do these two statements relate to one another? What's wrong with the AdMech having a perpetual motion machine on one specific type of walker that they cannot replicate nor do they understand?

Well for one, it's impossible to create, but that aside, if they had the technology to create perpetual motion machines during the DAOT, then why is this the only thing powered by them.

 Co'tor Shas wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Co'tor Shas wrote:
So the thing is a perpetual motion machine? Do GW writers just not care anymore?

How do these two statements relate to one another? What's wrong with the AdMech having a perpetual motion machine on one specific type of walker that they cannot replicate nor do they understand?

Well for one, it's impossible to create, but that aside, if they had the technology to create perpetual motion machines during the DAOT, then why is this the only thing powered by them.

Maybe it was the only successful implementation of a perpetual motion machine?

Then the get loads of these, and power those foot-pedaled ships the imperium uses. Or power giant hamster-wheel generators.

Not if they lost the knowledge as soon it was discovered, leaving only the striders to possess such tech.
It could also be due to cost.
What if the requirements to produce a perpetual motion engine are a series of alloys that only certain forge-worlds can make, and need a lot of raw materials to pull it off?
And the alloys produced can only be used to build a tiny engine?

That's... a bit of stretch, but it's better then nothing.

 Co'tor Shas wrote:
... it's impossible to create...

He said, about 40K.

 Co'tor Shas wrote:
... but that aside, if they had the technology to create perpetual motion machines during the DAOT, then why is this the only thing powered by them.

Isn't that obvious? I mean you get how technology in 40K works right? Most things have been forgotten. There are no complete SCT records any more. Most things are done by following instructions. The people who make and maintain the machines in 40K often don't understand why or how they work, only that they continue to work if they follow the instructions that were given to them. There might have been more perpetual motion machines during the DAOT. Now they only have one (or two) patterns where that works, and they don't know how* to adapt it to other units.

There is no progress in 40K technology.



*Or won't adapt it, because to change technology is tech-heresy. Remember how the AdMech got pissed at the Wolves for making the Predator Annihilator? Took 'em centuries to finally "ok" the design. They dislike change,

No, I mean during the DAOT. If they had them during the DAOT, then everything should be powered by them. Which could actually explain a lot.

Before people go further on their nerd-rage, it might be worth noting that the exact quote is ... "The Ironstrider engines are the closest the Adeptus Mechanicus have ever come to a perpetual motion machine." or "the closest anyone has yet come to violating the immutable laws of thermodynamics".

It's not quite the real thing (which the more "realist-minded" can continue to perceive as impossible, even in the 40K-verse). It's just the closest thing there is in non-Xenos 40K (and how close that is, you can happily decide for yourself).

 Co'tor Shas wrote:
No, I mean during the DAOT. If they had them during the DAOT, then everything should be powered by them. Which could actually explain a lot.

And they well could have been. Most of the Imperium's war machine is based on the far-future equivalent of tractors and utes, the stuff that was rugged enough and common enough that hard copies of the plans and a few actual examples managed to survive a 5000-year daemon-infested dark age in societies that had largely been reduced to near-barbarism, and the tiny handful of "proper" Golden Age tech that does survive and is understood even just enough that it can be turned on and operated makes most of the Imperium's technology look like bits of flint tied to sticks by comparison; it's entirely possible that during the Golden Age people powered their equivalents of bloody toasters and wristwatches with perpetual motion machines or microplasma generators or tiny antimatter reactors, hell it's even possible the Mechanicus have the plans for the Casio Model-35000 Antimatter Digital Watch, with new teleportation action! sitting about in a databank somewhere, and they just don't have a clue what it is or how to make it.

 Yodhrin wrote:
... hell it's even possible the Mechanicus have the plans for the Casio Model-35000 Antimatter Digital Watch, with new teleportation action! sitting about in a databank somewhere, and they just don't have a clue what it is or how to make it.

Here! Right here. This is the AdMech in a nutshell.

They are mankind's masters of technology and they haven't got a fething clue what they're doing.


That's why I love 'em!

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
The people who make and maintain the machines in 40K often don't understand why or how they work, only that they continue to work if they follow the instructions that were given to them.

Bit like your average application support team.

 Bull0 wrote:
Bit like your average application support team.

You joke, but you're not far off. Another apt example might be a short order cook. Not a trained chef. Not someone who understands the process of creating, designing and cooking food (usually), but if they follow the instructions on the wall at their station they can make 50 identical Big Macs in a day.

Kinda like the new models. So, I don't wanna dig through 67 pages for the answer Are they getting a codex and stuff, or were they part of some other book or is it a WD army list? Where do ya get the rules for em?

 Necros wrote:
Kinda like the new models. So, I don't wanna dig through 67 pages for the answer Are they getting a codex and stuff, or were they part of some other book or is it a WD army list? Where do ya get the rules for em?

Apparently, two codices. The first one is called Codex: Skitarii and will feature the upcoming models, possibly more. It will then be followed by a larger, more complete Codex: Adeptus Mechanicus.

Visually I think the guns could have been better. Not sure how I feel about the Adeptus Mechanicum using muskets. But more importantly, my brain can't wrap around the T-Rex arms on the strider. What purpose do they serve? Maybe they're vestigial from when the ancestor machines crawled on all fours.

Seriously, though. Someone help me come up with an excuse so that I can ignore them.

They look cool.
There, I've answered every question about 40K imaginable.

Cool.. any word on when the Codexes will be out? I guess it's hard to say since GW won't tell us anything more than a week away }:/ .. Are they supposed to be used with the FW models? Or are they getting more plastics? Or do they get get mixed with IG stuff?

 Necros wrote:
Cool.. any word on when the Codexes will be out? I guess it's hard to say since GW won't tell us anything more than a week away }:/ .. Are they supposed to be used with the FW models? Or are they getting more plastics? Or do they get get mixed with IG stuff?

As far as the release goes you've answered your own question. GW doesn't want to show off anything more than a week in advance. A Codex will show off models that aren't out yet if it comes out before all the models are out, so it'll be the last week of this release.


And no, they're a full release. They don't go with the FW models (when have GW ever done that?) and they're not meant to go with the Guard. They are their own army.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Necros wrote:
Cool.. any word on when the Codexes will be out? I guess it's hard to say since GW won't tell us anything more than a week away }:/ .. Are they supposed to be used with the FW models? Or are they getting more plastics? Or do they get get mixed with IG stuff?

As far as the release goes you've answered your own question. GW doesn't want to show off anything more than a week in advance. A Codex will show off models that aren't out yet if it comes out before all the models are out, so it'll be the last week of this release.


And no, they're a full release. They don't go with the FW models (when have GW ever done that?) and they're not meant to go with the Guard. They are their own army.

It might be half way through. Wasn't it the second week with Harliequins.

I'll also predict there won't be any FW stuff in the codexes,

It will all be GW plastic

Figured as much .. so, no rush I think I remember GW adding some IG tanks and stuff before FW in an earlier codex.. back when they were still IG. I like the FW mechanicus stuff, so I was hoping...

Hey guys. Just a head's up on an experiment I am running. As other's have pointed out, the Dust Wildfire model is eerily close in volume/shape to the Shooty-Walker. I am on my way out now as I may have an opportunity to snag one early, and I will try to do a quick 'n dirty side-by-side, and maybe head-swap the pilot to be an Ad-Mech one. Maybe we can get a sneaky way to save 60% like Orky Mek Gun users do. :-p

Wonderwolf wrote:
Before people go further on their nerd-rage, it might be worth noting that the exact quote is ... "The Ironstrider engines are the closest the Adeptus Mechanicus have ever come to a perpetual motion machine." or "the closest anyone has yet come to violating the immutable laws of thermodynamics".

It's not quite the real thing (which the more "realist-minded" can continue to perceive as impossible, even in the 40K-verse). It's just the closest thing there is in non-Xenos 40K (and how close that is, you can happily decide for yourself).

Yes so a perpetual motion machine would have 100% efficiency. It would not slow due to friction. It would still require energy to change directions, to start, and to stop.

Maybe this strider has 99% efficency. Doesnt break thermodynamics but is painfully close. Maybe it's 99.9%. Perhaps it's the equilvilent of a superconductor only for kinetic energy.

 Exergy wrote:

Wonderwolf wrote:
Before people go further on their nerd-rage, it might be worth noting that the exact quote is ... "The Ironstrider engines are the closest the Adeptus Mechanicus have ever come to a perpetual motion machine." or "the closest anyone has yet come to violating the immutable laws of thermodynamics".

It's not quite the real thing (which the more "realist-minded" can continue to perceive as impossible, even in the 40K-verse). It's just the closest thing there is in non-Xenos 40K (and how close that is, you can happily decide for yourself).

Yes so a perpetual motion machine would have 100% efficiency. It would not slow due to friction. It would still require energy to change directions, to start, and to stop.

Maybe this strider has 99% efficency. Doesnt break thermodynamics but is painfully close. Maybe it's 99.9%. Perhaps it's the equilvilent of a superconductor only for kinetic energy.

I'm always weary of writers and artists describing mechanical/biological/cosmic processes because their grasp on them is amateur at best, and at worst just a collection of scientific words thrown together to covey the feel of high tech and science. In that sense any explanation of how machines/physics work in 40K provided by GW shouldn't be taken too seriously or analyzed for accuracy. After all this is a universe in which demons are real.

 Quarterdime wrote:
Visually I think the guns could have been better. Not sure how I feel about the Adeptus Mechanicum using muskets. But more importantly, my brain can't wrap around the T-Rex arms on the strider. What purpose do they serve? Maybe they're vestigial from when the ancestor machines crawled on all fours.

Seriously, though. Someone help me come up with an excuse so that I can ignore them.

They could be for...removing those annoying baked-on Heretek corpses from your Taser Lance without needing to dismount?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Necros wrote:
Cool.. any word on when the Codexes will be out? I guess it's hard to say since GW won't tell us anything more than a week away }:/ .. Are they supposed to be used with the FW models? Or are they getting more plastics? Or do they get get mixed with IG stuff?

As far as the release goes you've answered your own question. GW doesn't want to show off anything more than a week in advance. A Codex will show off models that aren't out yet if it comes out before all the models are out, so it'll be the last week of this release.


And no, they're a full release. They don't go with the FW models (when have GW ever done that?) and they're not meant to go with the Guard. They are their own army.

Out of interest, given your information/intuition that this is actually a full release not a Tempestus-style pre-supplement, do you have any idea what that means for the multiple books/Cult Mechanicus rumour? Is it just wrong and we're only getting one book, or is the CM the supplement, or is it something else entirely?

Lots of new info from Lords of War Gaming

- Raven Guard vs Tau boxset
- new Space Marine codex this summer
- Eldar codex after Ad Mech
- Tau codex later this year

Raven guard vs Tau and should be out before Tau release.

Don't know about a Raven Guard supplement but Adeptus Astartes: Space Marines will release this summer.

Yes. After Admech it will be codex Craftworld: Eldar. Plastic jetbikes and Artach.

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too early to start new threads ? mods do i have the green light ?

Another tau codex. What, are they making up for all the wait time we had for this one?

I think we could view the Tau and Eldar updates as an attempt to redress balance somewhat, arguably SM too.

This could be very positive, as it could be signs of GW trying to patch the game up.

It could, of course, just be the stuff they've got on hand ready to release and break the game worse!

 Co'tor Shas wrote:
Another tau codex. What, are they making up for all the wait time we had for this one?

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If GW played catch up, DE would be getting a new codex every 3 months for a while

I've been wanting to do a Mechanicus army for so long this may just be what finally gets me started! And honestly no the Imperium doesn't need another faction but if it had to get one the Mechanicum is arguably the best it could get!