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I dunno Yod, this is GW were talking about here. There's a lot of things they could be doing that people would throw money at and the refuse to do them. Logic never applies with dealing with GW.

 Yodhrin wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:

Again though, the established fluff is that the Legio Cybernetica did survive the Heresy and Robots do exist in 40K:

Following the defeat of the Heresy and the banishment of the Traitor Legions, the dishonored Legio cohorts also fled into the Eye of Terror, where they remain to this day. Since the defeat of Horus, the Legio Cybernetica has pledged itself anew to the Imperium. Its members now take binding oaths of loyalty more terrible than any Marine Chapter oaths.

Someone needs to tell FW because this is their response to any of the Mechanicum stuff being used with the new Ad Mech stuff:

Hi There,

The Mechanicus and the Mechanicum are two factions separated by 10,000 years of history so they do have some differences. However there is nothing stopping you using both in your games to represent obscure branches of the same organisation etc.

You should always feel free to do whatever you and your friends will enjoy in your games.

Thanks

So yeah, don't expect shared rules anytime soon, even when there are organizations between the two that are shared.

None of that email contradicts the quote I posted. Nor does it contradict the fact that "Legio Cybernetica" is right there in big chunky letters as part of the AdMech organisation pyramid in the Skitarii 'dex. The fluff supports Legio Cybernetica forces being active in 40K.

Now sure, GW could put out no rules for the Legio at all, or could put out rules and models for Cybernetica and not include the Castellan(Castellax) or Crusader(Vorax) at all, and FW could then subsequently refuse to put out rules for using their models in 40K-era games, but I don't think even GW hate making money enough to be that thick.

Legio Cybernetica are clearly still around, but I think its easy to presume they've change over the last 10,000 years especially after something as catastrophic as the Horus Heresy. It will be interesting to see what they do with them.

I think it would be silly if FW chooses to ignore the relationship between mechanicum and mechanicus and not allow any unit cross over. Its just way too easy a way to sell more models to say Mechanicus can take these relic robots or relic tanks, just like how Space Marines can take legion era equipment.

I'm sure there will eventually be rules to take Mechanicum units as relic options.

I'm planning on getting a few FW items to add into my skitari army. Isn't that what those unbound rules are for? (I haven't played 40k since 2 versions ago...)

Either way I build armies for fun more than playing anyhow, I get what looks good rather than what works good, and lose every game knowing I'll have the coolest looking pile of dead models around.

 Necros wrote:
I'm planning on getting a few FW items to add into my skitari army. Isn't that what those unbound rules are for? (I haven't played 40k since 2 versions ago...)

Either way I build armies for fun more than playing anyhow, I get what looks good rather than what works good, and lose every game knowing I'll have the coolest looking pile of dead models around.

unbound and using models from a game specifically mentioned by the creators that it has no internal balance with 40k are two completely different things. And in both cases you need your opponents explicit permission to use them. I would check how your local players look at it before throwing money away.


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Or are you not talking about the adeptas mechanicus from 30k and something else instead?

FW Mechanicum are a different army for a technically different game. There isn't any real reason that you couldn't play them together in a friendly rules loose game. but there is no official way to combine the armies. How much that fact is worth is up to you.

 Yodhrin wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:

Again though, the established fluff is that the Legio Cybernetica did survive the Heresy and Robots do exist in 40K:

Following the defeat of the Heresy and the banishment of the Traitor Legions, the dishonored Legio cohorts also fled into the Eye of Terror, where they remain to this day. Since the defeat of Horus, the Legio Cybernetica has pledged itself anew to the Imperium. Its members now take binding oaths of loyalty more terrible than any Marine Chapter oaths.

Someone needs to tell FW because this is their response to any of the Mechanicum stuff being used with the new Ad Mech stuff:

Hi There,

The Mechanicus and the Mechanicum are two factions separated by 10,000 years of history so they do have some differences. However there is nothing stopping you using both in your games to represent obscure branches of the same organisation etc.

You should always feel free to do whatever you and your friends will enjoy in your games.

Thanks

So yeah, don't expect shared rules anytime soon, even when there are organizations between the two that are shared.

None of that email contradicts the quote I posted. Nor does it contradict the fact that "Legio Cybernetica" is right there in big chunky letters as part of the AdMech organisation pyramid in the Skitarii 'dex. The fluff supports Legio Cybernetica forces being active in 40K.

Now sure, GW could put out no rules for the Legio at all, or could put out rules and models for Cybernetica and not include the Castellan(Castellax) or Crusader(Vorax) at all, and FW could then subsequently refuse to put out rules for using their models in 40K-era games, but I don't think even GW hate making money enough to be that thick.

wasnt the Legio Cybernetica famed for having the vast majority of it turn traitor during the Heresy.

I was planning to use the some FW Mechanicum models more as proxies, not taking the FW rules to use in 40k. like, those Skylax guys as counts-as infiltrators or ruststalkers, but also Automatas for counts-as dreads with the unbound rules, but I guess I could also use them in place of the ironstriders or dragoons?

I don't ever play tournaments, just a basement club, so I don't really care about competitiveness, just wanna build a fun army.

 MasterSlowPoke wrote:
I'm sure there will eventually be rules to take Mechanicum units as relic options.

I hadn't thought of that...

We'll see what FW does after GW releases a "full" AdMech codex. That would be interesting, MSP!

Liking he codex but I'm a bit disappointed by the fact that Skitarii don't have access to standard Imperim kit from other armies. I'm thinking transports like Rhinos/chimera would have been a easy fit and a good excuse for some Red tanks.

Would have made for a bit more variation.

I hope any full AdMech codex has this covered.

 notprop wrote:
Liking he codex but I'm a bit disappointed by the fact that Skitarii don't have access to standard Imperim kit from other armies. I'm thinking transports like Rhinos/chimera would have been a easy fit and a good excuse for some Red tanks.

Would have made for a bit more variation.

I hope any full AdMech codex has this covered.

Do to the close range nature of the vanguard skitarii guns, I'd rather they had drop pods lol

Feels fitting for cyborg shock troops.

Allying them with the 6 fast attack slot blood angel army will be popular since you can buy empty transports with fast attack slots in blood angels.

 notprop wrote:
Liking he codex but I'm a bit disappointed by the fact that Skitarii don't have access to standard Imperim kit from other armies. I'm thinking transports like Rhinos/chimera would have been a easy fit and a good excuse for some Red tanks.

Would have made for a bit more variation.

I hope any full AdMech codex has this covered.

Unfortunately GW doesn't really do cross codex model releases anymore. The Storm Raven was the last one.

I think FW use Standard Template Emails, because I got a similarly worded one, but with more detail added in...

I emailed Forge World with a quick question as to where their 30k Mechanicum stands in 40k and the relationship to the current range of 40k Mechanicus:

Hi There,

The Mechanicus and the Mechanicum are two factions separated by 10,000 years of history so they do have some differences, but also exist in the current millennium.

There is nothing stopping you using both in Warhammer 40,000.

The Mechanicus Skitarii list represents a small cog in the machine that is the Mechanicus.

The Mechanicum list represents the forces used during the 31st millennium, but can also be used to represent the Dark Mechanicum, as they still exist in the 41st millennium.

They can also be used as the Legio Cybernetica that didn't turn to Chaos during the Heresy.

You should always feel free to do whatever you and your friends will enjoy in your games.

Thanks

 notprop wrote:
Liking he codex but I'm a bit disappointed by the fact that Skitarii don't have access to standard Imperim kit from other armies. I'm thinking transports like Rhinos/chimera would have been a easy fit and a good excuse for some Red tanks.

Would have made for a bit more variation.

I hope any full AdMech codex has this covered.

Why? The mechanium keep stuff they consider superior for themselves. They have auto loaders on their ships, while others have to manually load torpedoes.

I really don't think we will see them using Rhinos or IG or Space Marine kit. They give them what they consider useful or they find. With probably the exception of the Land equipment. Or the Leaman Russ for the Space Wolves ( however I'm not sure if they can still use that tank)

I half expect that we will see some sort of transport for Cult Mechanicus but Skitarii don't really need it. They have quite a few cool rules allowing them to move quickly.

The Mechanicum is an Allied Empire, it has its own goals, doesn't need to pay tithes, and supplies equipment for its autonomy. Techmarines Take Dual Oaths to Mars and the Chapter, I'm not sure about the Space Wolves ones but they must take some training on some Forge World. I'm not sure if the Inquisition have authority on a Forge World. Maybe they show them nominal respect but I'm not sure.

The Adeptus Mechanicus stay out of the bureaucracy of the Imperium at large and all though much to the chargrin of the Adeptus Ministarum and Ecclesiasticarhy they stay out of The Adeptus Mechanicuses.
They show nominal respect and all's well.

Yes the Fabricator General is on the Council but I believe he has only intervened during the Vandrie problem.


I think they were quiet during the Malestrom problem but I don't have the FW books so don't quote me on that.

migooo, while everything you say is true; the Mechanicus DO use the more common STC vehicles, and while they are a fairly mobile army on the tabletop, without actual transport vehicles they'll struggle to deal with situations where they need to rapidly redeploy forces(late game objective grabs, Outflanking/Deepstriking enemies, enemies in fast transports themselves etc).

Of course in modern 40K, it's only really the Chimera you're stuck with no access to; the Flesh Tearers formation lets you grab up to six pods, Rhinos, or Razorbacks, although personally I'm holding out hope we'll see C:SM take a similar path to C:BA(transports in FA slots, formation with loads of FA slots), since it'd be nice to be able to get all the SM units I want(Rapiers, Centurions, Rhino-chassis vehicles) from one formation. Eventually maybe we'll see FW give us a proper IA book with all the goodies.

 notprop wrote:
Liking he codex but I'm a bit disappointed by the fact that Skitarii don't have access to standard Imperim kit from other armies. I'm thinking transports like Rhinos/chimera would have been a easy fit and a good excuse for some Red tanks.

Lack of transports is annoying as hell and a big turn off for this army. However, I am taking (hoping) that to mean that Adeptus Mechanicus will have their own transport when C:AdMech comes out that is neither Rhino, Chimera, Taurox, or other existing vehicle. Perhaps a Testudo variant, or a Land Crawler.

 Yodhrin wrote:
migooo, while everything you say is true; the Mechanicus DO use the more common STC vehicles, and while they are a fairly mobile army on the tabletop, without actual transport vehicles they'll struggle to deal with situations where they need to rapidly redeploy forces(late game objective grabs, Outflanking/Deepstriking enemies, enemies in fast transports themselves etc).

Of course in modern 40K, it's only really the Chimera you're stuck with no access to; the Flesh Tearers formation lets you grab up to six pods, Rhinos, or Razorbacks, although personally I'm holding out hope we'll see C:SM take a similar path to C:BA(transports in FA slots, formation with loads of FA slots), since it'd be nice to be able to get all the SM units I want(Rapiers, Centurions, Rhino-chassis vehicles) from one formation. Eventually maybe we'll see FW give us a proper IA book with all the goodies.

I think in Mechanicum some Adept used a Rhino? So I guess that's true also.

Honestly there are enough imperial vehicles that are easy to add that deal with the lack of a transport.

However if you read the fluff it is obvious that there is not going to be a transport for the skitarii coming any time soon.

migooo wrote:


I think in Mechanicum some Adept used a Rhino? So I guess that's true also.

Mechanicum have access to the Mechanicum Landraider, which is better (?) than the Legion ones

the fluff for skitarii seems to indicate they don't use transports for well.. cultural reasons. basicly tradtionally they got their start as foot guards across the dunes for high ranking members of the mechanium, and thus walking places is seen as important. this would explain why all their vehicles are walkers too.


still hopefulyl the admech 'dex will at least give em a walker transport.

I'm seriously considering allying in my Dark Angels for that very reason once I can take Rhinos as a FA choice.
A Libby for Divination, twin-linking the calivers, 2 scouts quads as objective campers and then Rhinos for the 5 Rangers with the 2 Arquebus... Small arms fire is their weakness with T3, so giving them AV11 to chew through at first in a AV11 and AV12 heavy list... brilliant!

Cult Mechanicus rumours on BoLS, loads of old ones and a new one-
http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2015/04/codex-cult-mechanicus-first-rumblings.html

Codex Cult Mechanicus: First Rumblings

Posted by Larry Vela at April 20, 2015

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Today we get the first set of rumors about the second Ad Mech codex: Codex Cult Mechanicus. Come check it out!

First let’s catch up with the previous information on Codex Cult Mechanicus:

via Atia on Bolter & Chainsword 4-8-2015

via Sad Panda on Dakka Dakka:
“As mentioned elsewhere, this summer on the 40K-side of things is mostly about the folks from Mars (but no (global) campaign), as well as a few 1-week-releases (think Necrons). And of course, the new Fantasy kicking off Q3.”via Lords of Wargaming, facebook:
April/May It’s Admech, but there will be two codices. Also tanks will be walkers.From LowG facebook
“They are not actually Admech. That codex will release later. The books will be Skatarii and Cult Mechanicus.”
“Supplements, but models as well.”

also, i’ve found this URL re-directs today smile.png

Codex: Cult Mechanicus
http://www.games-wor…-mechanicus-eng
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Codex: Cult Mechanicus (eBook)
http://www.games-wor…echanicus-ebook
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Codex: Cult Mechanicus (iPad)
http://www.games-wor…mechanicus-ipad
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Datacards: Cult Mechanicus
http://www.games-wor…-mechanicus-eng
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Atia on the Electro-Priests: 4-9-2015

we will get FULGURITE ELECTRO PRIESTS
http://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/…lectro-priests

…the release schedule is skitarii > eldar > maybe dark angels (remember, we only have a Interrogator Chaplain re-direct) > Cult Mechanicus (as we have working URL’s for the Codex and Datacards)

And here is today’s latest:

via Captain Citadel 4-20-2015

Cult Mechanicus is coming. Their troops will be the Electro-priests that everyone has been raving about for weeks. From the looks of it, we’ll also finally see the Imperial robots that compliment Forge World’s existing range, and other all new exotic units.

~What units do you want to see in the next Ad Mech codex?

Honestly my main interest is in HQ's; will we get any, what are they if so, will we get shiny new models or just repackaged Enginseers etc.

More Robots...................SOLD!

Personal wishlist:

primary - an open-topped cheap transport
secondary - either a low-cost buffer or a high-cost combat-viable monster of an HQ
tertiary - a flyer

An option of allying with the Taghmata would be the bee's knees too, but sadly I just don't see that happening.

I am pretty hyped for robutts

It seems weird that electropriests would be a troop. It's as if GW is intentionally being difficult by not giving us engineers and servitors right out the gate.

I just want plastic servitors and an awesome HQ. <.<

 aka_mythos wrote:
It seems weird that electropriests would be a troop. It's as if GW is intentionally being difficult by not giving us engineers and servitors right out the gate.

You can have Tech-Priest Enginseers & Servitors (well, servo-automata) as Troops in 30k so they might be trying to avoid that.

Just picked up a bunch of stuff and started assembling...best looking army GW has put out, in my opinion. I'm excited for another book!