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Yea, I am betting that the formation is one of each unit then you get the free stuff.

With the minimum costs and the forced choices it's gonna be pretty garbage even with the free upgrades. The blood angels formation has tons of free stuff but you never see it because the overall cost is much to high. Also remember it will be fixed unit selection so all of the points have to be spent in the units that you selected for boosting unit size etc

Just as you thought the new Mechanicus couldn't get more OP....

MORE! MORE POWER TO THE COGNITORS I SAY! HAIL THE COG EMPEROR OF MARS!

 Asmodai Asmodean wrote:
Just as you thought the new Mechanicus couldn't get more OP...

... GW goes and gives them T3 melee infantry with no armour, no transport, an AP4 for 18 points per model.

What was that about OP again?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Asmodai Asmodean wrote:
Just as you thought the new Mechanicus couldn't get more OP...

... GW goes and gives them T3 melee infantry with no armour, no transport, an AP4 for 18 points per model.

What was that about OP again?

Apparently they're not part of the formation, only a Dominus and two Kataphron squads on the Cult Mechanicus side.

Lol wow electro priests SUCK

nudibranch wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Asmodai Asmodean wrote:
Just as you thought the new Mechanicus couldn't get more OP...

... GW goes and gives them T3 melee infantry with no armour, no transport, an AP4 for 18 points per model.

What was that about OP again?

Apparently they're not part of the formation, only a Dominus and two Kataphron squads on the Cult Mechanicus side.

that has not been confirmed

we have no confirmation yet of what the CM battle congregation is

Mr.Church13 wrote:
That's the whose line formation. The rules are made up and the points no longer matter. GW seems to be forging the narrative that there's no point in a rules structure any longer.

Exalted and sigged!

(I'm a huge Whose line is it anyways fan)

 Leth wrote:
Yea, I am betting that the formation is one of each unit then you get the free stuff.

With the minimum costs and the forced choices it's gonna be pretty garbage even with the free upgrades. The blood angels formation has tons of free stuff but you never see it because the overall cost is much to high. Also remember it will be fixed unit selection so all of the points have to be spent in the units that you selected for boosting unit size etc

Battle mantiple is 600 points base. Even with meh units like the flavor of Sicarians, its still a value cause of the free upgrades

Sicarians have major weaknesses sure, T3 being the biggest offender, but man are they good. Infiltrator debuff is just so good and coupled with ruststalkers, they make the stalkers WAY more scary. I like them both personally.

In fact, I haven't found a unit I don't like except the rangers, I feel that in practice they are so far out-shined by the vanguard. Haven't tried ballistaris, as dragoons are the much better choice, but I could see a place for them.

Back to current topic, those priests with a statline like that... look really awful. There must be something we willl learn in the reveal that we are missing.

Also remember that all units that are part of the Skitarii Battle Maniple formation get scout (but not outflank) and have leadership 10 if within 12" of a Dunecrawler

And crusader.

Its worth it imo, the free upgrades to the troops/dunecrawlers, more than makes up the points for the sicarians.

Here is some rumor math-
1850 points
Skitarii Battle Maniple-
10 man Vanguard with free upgrades
5 man Rangers with free upgrades
1 Onager with free upgrades
1 Dragoon with free upgrades
RustStalkers with free upgrades
Infiltrators with free upgrades

All of this is 645 points.
The free upgrades means free weapons on troops, free Omnispex, and 1 free option for a princep/alpha which can be an Invuln save. Will likely be Omnicient Mask (zealot) for RustStalkers and Pater Radium for Infiltrators with invulns for the Alphas.

Knight Errant-
370 as everyone knows.

Cult mech-
2x 3man squads of Kataphron Destroyers is 165 points x2. Again free upgrades.

Skitarii Maniple-
Vanguard 5 man built for Arc weapons- 95pts
Vanguard 5 man- 55

This brings our grand total to 1495. This leaves nearly 400 points to do the following-
Add more Dragoons
Ally in a Drop Pod from BA
Build the Techpriest Dominus.

If you ally in a base BA ally detachment (Drop Pod, Scouts, Sangpriest) for a drop pod for those Vanguard you come to 1645. Plenty of points to take the Techpriest Dominus as I doubt he is more than 200 points and his upgrades are free. This formation is absolutely doable even with the Sicarian "tax" people are talking about. Even better if you can take multiple items per model for free to deck out the Princeps.

I know I'll be adding some kastellans in, with free arm guns

The 600 pts Skitarii Battle Maniple can get over 400+ pts of free updates when taking the minimum required units for the formation. Absolutely crazy.

Except if the cult requirements is one of everything now we are adding a 270 robot, so on and so forth. Sure some of the upgrades are free but a competitive army it does not make. You are sacrificing a lot to get those "free" upgrades. Also I would totally take the warden knight instead of the errant. So good

As far as we're aware its not, its 1 hq and 2 troops.

 WrentheFaceless wrote:
As far as we're aware its not, its 1 hq and 2 troops.

that's pure speculation

nudibranch wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Asmodai Asmodean wrote:
Just as you thought the new Mechanicus couldn't get more OP...

... GW goes and gives them T3 melee infantry with no armour, no transport, an AP4 for 18 points per model.

What was that about OP again?

Apparently they're not part of the formation, only a Dominus and two Kataphron squads on the Cult Mechanicus side.

They wouldnt be good for 9 points.

 Exergy wrote:

nudibranch wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Asmodai Asmodean wrote:
Just as you thought the new Mechanicus couldn't get more OP...

... GW goes and gives them T3 melee infantry with no armour, no transport, an AP4 for 18 points per model.

What was that about OP again?

Apparently they're not part of the formation, only a Dominus and two Kataphron squads on the Cult Mechanicus side.

They wouldnt be good for 9 points.

Seriously there has to be rules missing or something.

 RedFox wrote:

 WrentheFaceless wrote:
As far as we're aware its not, its 1 hq and 2 troops.

that's pure speculation

True thats all we have, whoever posted the french WD failed to post any force org pictures or anything.

 WrentheFaceless wrote:

 RedFox wrote:

 WrentheFaceless wrote:
As far as we're aware its not, its 1 hq and 2 troops.

that's pure speculation

True thats all we have, whoever posted the french WD failed to post any force org pictures or anything.

Likely it's set up the same as the Skitarii book. The Force Org listed early being equivalent to the Skitarii Maniple, and the Battle Congregation being a formation similar to the Battle Maniple formation - 1 of each.

Requizen wrote:

 WrentheFaceless wrote:

 RedFox wrote:

 WrentheFaceless wrote:
As far as we're aware its not, its 1 hq and 2 troops.

that's pure speculation

True thats all we have, whoever posted the french WD failed to post any force org pictures or anything.

Likely it's set up the same as the Skitarii book. The Force Org listed early being equivalent to the Skitarii Maniple, and the Battle Congregation being a formation similar to the Battle Maniple formation - 1 of each.

Yes that would be my guess also

so two 5 man squad of electro priests :(

Ick I hope not, but would make sense

This formation is going to be auto loss in kill point missions.

if you're sore about the price for the tech priest, I remind you that Hi Tech

A-Exists



B-Is having a sale

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/648522.page

http://hitechminiatures.com/

Asside from the shameless plug, that HiTech model has no glorious pimp cane

Yes I too find the lack of pimp cane disturbing.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I see the French have now decided to compete with the Germans over who can take the worst photo.

LOL!!! +1

nudibranch wrote:

 Exergy wrote:

nudibranch wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Asmodai Asmodean wrote:
Just as you thought the new Mechanicus couldn't get more OP...

... GW goes and gives them T3 melee infantry with no armour, no transport, an AP4 for 18 points per model.

What was that about OP again?

Apparently they're not part of the formation, only a Dominus and two Kataphron squads on the Cult Mechanicus side.

They wouldnt be good for 9 points.

Seriously there has to be rules missing or something.

Maybe they have the 'Can run an extra 3"' thing. That doesn't help, mind you, because at the end of the day T3 no armour AP4 assault-only infantry don't have a lot going for them, 3" extra or not.

But if really have the rules as they have been presented, then I'm dead certain that the 18 points comes from the "instant death on a 6" rule they have, no matter how rarely that rule is ever going to come up. In other words, they've been costed based on their potential, not on their actual in-game worth.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I see the French have now decided to compete with the Germans over who can take the worst photo.

Lol, imo its really not that hard to take a decent photo. Hell, if I had my hands on a leak I think i'd try even harder to take good images (and not forget to photograph everything). How people that don't care get their hands on this stuff blows my mind sometimes. My 30 dollar smartphone is what I use to photograph my models and even that turns out sharp with some effort.