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 H.B.M.C. wrote:

Maybe they have the 'Can run an extra 3"' thing. That doesn't help, mind you, because at the end of the day T3 no armour AP4 assault-only infantry don't have a lot going for them, 3" extra or not.

But if really have the rules as they have been presented, then I'm dead certain that the 18 points comes from the "instant death on a 6" rule they have, no matter how rarely that rule is ever going to come up. In other words, they've been costed based on their potential, not on their actual in-game worth.

It's possible. But dont DE grotesques have instant death on a 6. Arent they also S+T5 with 3attacks and 3 wounds

I dunno where these rumored stats are coming from but I have the rules for electro priests in front of me and they're totally wrong.

For starters electro priests are S8 with a 4+

*sigh*

We wish Kyoto. We wish.

I still wish there were no such things as Electro-Priests in units, but rather an army would have a few Electro-Priests, and they were like the AdMech's version of a psyker (no actual psychic powers - but mechanical enhancement buffs, super-charging, over-charging, projecting targeting data, etc.).

Not just dudes with staves running around and getting killed before they reach combat.

I'm sure when Codex: Everything-mechanicus is done GW will be scratching their heads for some other HQ choices and make up an Electro-priest double plus... you know since they want to charge $36 for clam packs.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
*sigh*

We wish Kyoto. We wish.

I still wish there were no such things as Electro-Priests in units, but rather an army would have a few Electro-Priests, and they were like the AdMech's version of a psyker (no actual psychic powers - but mechanical enhancement buffs, super-charging, over-charging, projecting targeting data, etc.).

Not just dudes with staves running around and getting killed before they reach combat.

Yeah but that would be... interesting. And we can't have that.

It's weird. If I were GW I'd throw in a servitor hoard, cutting tools, optional upgrades to guns and servo arms and throw them out for 5 points a model to sell hoards.

Instead they have these worthless 'elite' units people will buy a box or two of at best.

IIRC the Skitarii fluff had something about most AM workers having elect-toos so the fluff on these might be they're civilians pressed into service.

But then why are they elite?


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 aka_mythos wrote:
I'm sure when Codex: Everything-mechanicus is done GW will be scratching their heads for some other HQ choices and make up an Electro-priest double plus...

nah because then they'd have to make a model, and as we saw wiht the Skitarii they do not want to make HQ units we can kitbash out of cheap (or 'cheap') kits.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
It's weird. If I were GW I'd throw in a servitor hoard, cutting tools, optional upgrades to guns and servo arms and throw them out for 5 points a model to sell hoards.

Plastic Servitors! My pre-frontal cortex for plastic Servitors! Led by lower-level Tech-Priests. Options for combat and gun servitors. Oh it would be glorious.

But no. The only Servitors remain those in FineCost with the damned Tech-Marine...

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
It's weird. If I were GW I'd throw in a servitor hoard, cutting tools, optional upgrades to guns and servo arms and throw them out for 5 points a model to sell hoards.

Plastic Servitors! My pre-frontal cortex for plastic Servitors! Led by lower-level Tech-Priests. Options for combat and gun servitors. Oh it would be glorious.

But no. The only Servitors remain those in FineCost with the damned Tech-Marine...

There would be something so painfully simple about an Enginseer with 4 servitors in a box set and then simply allowing us to take a squad composed of multiples of that kit.

Well, you've sort of got a plastic Servitor in the Storm Raven.

Personally, if I were going to make a combat Servitor unit, I'd make them look like full on robots. A fair number of books have Servitors that are described as basically being completely mechanical except with a human brain installed (I seem to recall Eisenhorn fighting one described as a mechanical bull with a forklift for a head). Those would be so much cooler than some guy in a jumpsuit with bits of metal slapped onto him.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
*sigh*

We wish Kyoto. We wish.

I still wish there were no such things as Electro-Priests in units, but rather an army would have a few Electro-Priests, and they were like the AdMech's version of a psyker (no actual psychic powers - but mechanical enhancement buffs, super-charging, over-charging, projecting targeting data, etc.).

Not just dudes with staves running around and getting killed before they reach combat.

Sounds like someone would not mind Cybertheurgy in 40k.

Pfft. It's a rule that every codex has dud unit.

In any case, with Kataphrons and Ruststalkers on the table, who the hell is going to shoot the Electro-Priests first? They're going to see combat.

 aka_mythos wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
It's weird. If I were GW I'd throw in a servitor hoard, cutting tools, optional upgrades to guns and servo arms and throw them out for 5 points a model to sell hoards.

Plastic Servitors! My pre-frontal cortex for plastic Servitors! Led by lower-level Tech-Priests. Options for combat and gun servitors. Oh it would be glorious.

But no. The only Servitors remain those in FineCost with the damned Tech-Marine...

There would be something so painfully simple about an Enginseer with 4 servitors in a box set and then simply allowing us to take a squad composed of multiples of that kit.

You can more or less do that in 30K with Techpriest Auxillia squads, which can also become a troop choice if you have a Macrotek magos.

Also, EVERYONE, MEET THE NEW REPENTIA!!!

Images from the next White Dwarf, german issue, at least quality pics this time

*Adding more from the gallery of the article*

Source: http://www.gamestrust.de/news,warhammer-40-000-adeptus-mechanicus-bilder-electro-priests-dominus-regeln-wd-69-cover,id43296.html

The Dominus looks gorgeous. Also I so wish the Staff Electro priests weren't as bad as the rules are making them look. They are so pretty!!!

Warhams-77 wrote:
Images from the next White Dwarf, german issue, at least quality pics this time

*Adding more from the gallery of the article*

Source: http://www.gamestrust.de/news,warhammer-40-000-adeptus-mechanicus-bilder-electro-priests-dominus-regeln-wd-69-cover,id43296.html

Spoiler:

Very nice.

Someone needs to translate the rules for the HQ! Where are zee Germans!?

Zee Germans are here!

Lord of the Machines:
In every of your shooting phases the Tech-Priest Dominus may repair a single vehicle he is either embarked on or or in base contact with or restore a wound instead of firing one of his weapons. Roll a D6. On a 2 or higher the attempt is successful: if you repair a vehicle, you may restore a hull point or undo an "immobilized" or "weapon destroyed" result; this happens immediately. If you restore a wound, the Tech-Priest Dominus or any model in his unit of the Skitarii or Cult Mechanicus Factions gain a Wound they lost previously; this happens immediately.

-may replace his volkite blaster with an eradication beamer 15pts
- may replace it's macropistol with a Phosphor Serpenta
5 pts
- may receive items from special wargear and/or Arcana Mechanicum

Also has Canticles, FNP, relentless and is an IC.

 Thairne wrote:
Zee Germans are here!

Lord of the Machines:
In every of your shooting phases the Tech-Priest Dominus may repair a single vehicle he is either embarked on or or in base contact with or restore a wound instead of firing one of his weapons. Roll a D6. On a 2 or higher the attempt is successful: if you repair a vehicle, you may restore a hull point or undo an "immobilized" or "weapon destroyed" result; this happens immediately. If you restore a wound, the Tech-Priest Dominus or any model in his unit of the Skitarii or Cult Mechanicus Factions gain a Wound they lost previously; this happens immediately.

-may replace his volkite blaster with an eradication beamer 15pts
- may replace it's macropistol with a Phosphor Serpenta
5 pts
- may receive items from special wargear and/or Arcana Mechanicum

Also has Canticles, FNP, relentless and is an IC.

What are the rules for the Electro-Priests? Do they make them worth taking in any way?

Well, aside from the Kastelans and Tech-Priest Dominus I'm not too impressed with this portion of the release.

So yay, my wallet is safe!

Sooo, the melee-priests are at least not awful at melee i guess, but the shooty-priests... Hooooooly gak they're worse than vanguard. Str4 12" AP- assault2 with twin-linked and basically the taser rule from the Skitarii dex... on a vanguard with a 5++ instead of a 4+ buT ARE STILL TOUGHNESS 3 SO THEY'LL GET ID'D ALL OVER THE PLACE-GAAHHH WHY ARE THESE AN 18PTS/MODEL ELITE CHOICE?!

And boy, the electropriests are probably the most overpriced unit out there. 18 pts? WHAT?
The Gauntlet guys have the "a 6 does two extra wounds" rule while the staffy guys cause instant death on a 6 and can increase their 5++ to a 3++ if they destroy a unit in CC (sweeps do count).
Both have FNP and Zealot.
Not enough attacks and most likely not enough shots for that price with that statline.

The Dominus can repair like Techmarines. He can also heal a wound earlier lost in battle. This can be himself or a model from his unit (limited to CM and SK). 1 wound healed. Success at 2+ (same with repairing). He shoots with one less(!) weapon when he uses this ability

nudibranch wrote:
Sooo, the melee-priests are at least not bad at melee i guess, but the shooty-priests... Hooooooly gak they're worse than vanguard. Str4 12" AP- assault2 with twin-linked and basically the taser rule from the Skitarii dex... on a vanguard with a 5++ instead of a 4+ buT ARE STILL TOUGHNESS 3 SO THEY'LL GET ID'D ALL OVER THE PLACE-GAAHHH WHY ARE THESE AN 18PTS/MODEL ELITE CHOICE?!

Because every codex needs at least one dud unit that looks cool.

Interesting. He can repair any vehicles from any faction it seems, but only restore ad mech wounds.

Does he have an invulnerable save too? Although that might be a bit much if he is four wounds with fnp already for 105 points...

Dominus has Feel no pain and relentless. He is an IC

Got ninja'd

The Dominus is very very nice, but ridiculously priced. And he has a Volkite gun right?

Super Newb wrote:
Interesting. He can repair any vehicles from any faction it seems, but only restore ad mech wounds.

Does he have an invulnerable save too? Although that might be a bit much if he is four wounds with fnp already for 105 points...

3 Wounds at T4.
Has an refractorfield.

And oh btw yes, the formation specifically says ALL wargear and the like is free.
Holy mechanicum. That's bonkers.

 Thairne wrote:

Super Newb wrote:
Interesting. He can repair any vehicles from any faction it seems, but only restore ad mech wounds.

Does he have an invulnerable save too? Although that might be a bit much if he is four wounds with fnp already for 105 points...

3 Wounds at T4.
Has an refractorfield.

Whoops. Can't blame the Germab language on that one lol. Refractor field is 5++ or 4++?

 ImAGeek wrote:
The Dominus is very very nice, but ridiculously priced. And he has a Volkite gun right?

Yep. 24" Str6 AP5 Heavy3 Deflagrate, so each wound causes extra an hit.

The Priest has a pope hat option!

YES!

Super Newb wrote:

 Thairne wrote:

Super Newb wrote:
Interesting. He can repair any vehicles from any faction it seems, but only restore ad mech wounds.

Does he have an invulnerable save too? Although that might be a bit much if he is four wounds with fnp already for 105 points...

3 Wounds at T4.
Has an refractorfield.

Whoops. Can't blame the Germab language on that one lol. Refractor field is 5++ or 4++?

Refractor is a 5++, conversion would be a 4++.

nudibranch wrote:
Sooo, the melee-priests are at least not awful at melee i guess, but the shooty-priests... Hooooooly gak they're worse than vanguard. Str4 12" AP- assault2 with twin-linked and basically the taser rule from the Skitarii dex... on a vanguard with a 5++ instead of a 4+ buT ARE STILL TOUGHNESS 3 SO THEY'LL GET ID'D ALL OVER THE PLACE-GAAHHH WHY ARE THESE AN 18PTS/MODEL ELITE CHOICE?!

Worse than vangaurd?!

Vangaurd are amazing??!!!