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 Asherian Command wrote:
Please PM me with those misquotes.

Do your own research man.

Here’s what you do
Step 1: go to your profile page
Step 2: click on the “Posts” button located under “User History”
Step 3: read the posts you made in this thread
Step 4: ???
Step 5: Profit

Martel732 wrote:
Doesn't change the fact that there is directly contradictory lore.

Among the black library and gw writers.

Yes. That happen when you have an IP That has been around for 25 years.

Look at LOTR the biggest debate is whether Glorfindel is the same glorfindel of Gondlion. Because in LOTR only one elf has the name given to them.

Meaning there is only ever one elf named elrond or arwen.


Also the burden of truth is on the accuser. Not the accused. Red.

Please learn to stop insulting people. Thank you.

 Redcruisair wrote:

You would put me lower than someone who regularly misquotes other people posts and makes huge sweeping blanket statements?

Yep, I would indeed place someone actively and purposefully spreading misinformation resulting from a biased perception of the fluff lower than that.

 Void__Dragon wrote:

 Redcruisair wrote:

You would put me lower than someone who regularly misquotes other people posts and makes huge sweeping blanket statements?

Yep, I would indeed place someone actively and purposefully spreading misinformation resulting from a biased perception of the fluff lower than that.

Me too. But i'm consoled by the fact that the starcraft marines won the crunch battle, and spartan marines won the fluff battle.

 Torga_DW wrote:

 Void__Dragon wrote:

 Redcruisair wrote:

You would put me lower than someone who regularly misquotes other people posts and makes huge sweeping blanket statements?

Yep, I would indeed place someone actively and purposefully spreading misinformation resulting from a biased perception of the fluff lower than that.

Me too. But i'm consoled by the fact that the starcraft marines won the crunch battle, and spartan marines won the fluff battle.

I am still confused how you got to that conclusion.

Thats more of a logical leap right now.

I vote Doomguy.

kodi wrote:
I vote Doomguy.

Doomguy isn't on the Original post.

So no!

Make your own thread about that. Might be educational.

I vote Doomguy too!

I vote Prophet.

If we're comparing crunch it's more fair to use Dawn of War II to compare to Starcraft, as it's also an RTS.

Dawn of War II is ironically more realistic, with a less broken sense of scale, melee attacks for ranged units and generally less 'arcade' game mechanics.

 Ashiraya wrote:
I vote Prophet.

Ohhhhhhh Yeah

Have an exalt

Having read played, and loved all three of the franchises up here today, I'm honestly shocked anyone put the astartes below number one. Jim raynor would get bent into a pretzel by a space marine, and master chief would be ripped a new donkey-cave by the likes of marneus calgar or Lysander.

space marines are just so over the top in all regards that no other modern science fiction can compare.

In 40k terms, halo and Starcraft are using stubborn while the marines are using bolters. Or, halo, Terra's are using assault rifles, Spartans have brs, marines have brute shots. With scopes.

And people cslling Starcraft marines elite make me lol. Brain washed convicts, stuffed into suits of armor, given a gun, and sent off to die for the confederacy/dominion. They are the imperial guardsmen of Starcraft, with a lot less numbers and a bit better armor.

 Crazyterran wrote:
space marines are just so over the top in all regards that no other modern science fiction can compare.

No, not even close. Plenty of modern scifi universes could effortlessly exterminate everything in 40k, if they would even care enough to bother with such a trivial task. For example, the only question about whether a single Culture civilian transport ship could kill the entire 40k universe would be whether it could do it with its own guns, or if it would have to construct some proper warships first.

Indeed, the original "Space Marines", the Starship Troopers, would put a 40k Space Marine to shame, and do so without the same level of derpy plot armor. Jump jets, tactical nuclear rockets, multiple other weapons systems (like lasers or automatic cannon and flamers), etc.

By modern, I meant those in popular culture, not over the top, hardly known franchises/book series.

Starship Troopers would be better than whatever books the culture is from.

As for the three we are 'discussing', you put nothing forward to refute what I said, other than some other, irrelevant soldiers could beat these three.

People on forums these days, God...

 Vaktathi wrote:
Indeed, the original "Space Marines", the Starship Troopers, would put a 40k Space Marine to shame, and do so without the same level of derpy plot armor. Jump jets, tactical nuclear rockets, multiple other weapons systems (like lasers or automatic cannon and flamers), etc.

Yeah, Heinlein's Space Marines are pretty scary. More mobile and carries a lot more firepower than the astartes.

 Crazyterran wrote:
As for the three we are 'discussing', you put nothing forward to refute what I said, other than some other, irrelevant soldiers could beat these three.

Well, I have run conclusive test in my own private testing facility comparing how Astartes armors and CMC Combat Suit, by putting dummies covered in sensors in them, firing a variety of weapons at them (C-14, bolters, plasma, melta, shuriken catapult, 180mm Shock Cannon, …), and the result were unanimous: the CMC performed better than every mark of Astartes armor in every case. The C-14 rifle actually did make huge gaping hole into Astartes armor.
I also organized for both kind of marines, both in full gear, to engage into running contest (the stimed marines performed better) and shooting contest (both were allowed any targetting equipment they wanted, which allowed the Starcraft marines to come up on top yet again).

 Crazyterran wrote:
By modern, I meant those in popular culture, not over the top, hardly known franchises/book series.

And with that you hand wave away some the most popular science fiction series and books today.

Just because you haven't heard of it, doesn't mean it is hardly known. And without reading it, how do you determine that it is over the top?

I can't believe that there seems to be a large number if people here proposing that SC marines are superior.

Da Mediokre Painta wrote:
I can't believe that there seems to be a large number if people here proposing that SC marines are superior.

Why not? The whole deal with 40K is that mandkind's technolegy is faulty and in a constant state of regression. Even the gear and armor space marines rely on doesn't have that oomph they use to have.

Now, contrast that with SC where the technologey of the Terran's is anomalously explained to be reliable and constanlty improved upon, and you'll realise why people lean more towards StarCraft marines as being least the more sensible choice between the two.

 Redcruisair wrote:

Da Mediokre Painta wrote:
I can't believe that there seems to be a large number if people here proposing that SC marines are superior.

Why not? The whole deal with 40K is that mandkind's technolegy is faulty and in a constant state of regression. Even the gear and armor space marines rely on doesn't have that oomph they use to have.

Now, contrast that with SC where the technologey of the Terran's is anomalously explained to be reliable and constanlty improved upon, and you'll realise why people lean more towards StarCraft marines as being least the more sensible choice between the two.

No way, the suits in SC run on some gas turbine generation tech that just is centuries behind the fusion core that Space Marines have. And IoM tech isn't unreliable by a long shot.

IoM tech may not be at the height that it once was, but that doesn't mean that SC's is even comparable.

With guys like indrick boreale running the show, it's amazing the Astartes ever beat anyone.

Alternatively, given how so awesomely amazing SMs are, why has the human race been teetering on the verge of the abyss for the past 10,000 years?

Yup..The M.I. mobile infantry..and not the movies moron abortion of a attempt.
The book..Those boys would scatter the 3 mentioned here like a monkey and bag of hand grenades!

A nice Japanese interpretation of the marauder suit.


Y rack grenade launchers..shoulder tac nuke launcher..metal melting hand fusion flamer..kilometer long bounds... independent orbital entry..and full unit awareness.

Ok you apes!...on the bounce!

would you like to know more?.....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starship_Troopers

Enclave would kick all o' y'all asses. Capital Wasteland BoS, even more so. Midwestern BoS, even even more so. Lost Hills BoS, WAY more so.

 Soo'Vah'Cha wrote:
Yup..The M.I. mobile infantry..and not the movies moron abortion of a attempt.
The book..Those boys would scatter the 3 mentioned here like a monkey and bag of hand grenades!

A nice Japanese interpretation of the marauder suit.


Y rack grenade launchers..shoulder tac nuke launcher..metal melting hand fusion flamer..kilometer long bounds... independent orbital entry..and full unit awareness.

Ok you apes!...on the bounce!

would you like to know more?.....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starship_Troopers

Precisely. I brought it up earlier in the thread that the MI - in 40K gameplay terms - would be at least Toughness 6 (their armour is stated to withstrand everything short of anti-tank weaponry) jump infantry armed with Strength D, large blast weapons (the tactical nukes). However, it was handwaved that it didn't count as it wasn't part of the Astartes/Starcraft Marine/Spartan triumvirate and therefore ineligible for the "most badass space marine" debate they're trying to have.

Don't worry, asherion has opened a thread in the OT forum where any marine can compete. Be sure to head down and vote for doom guy.

 Peregrine wrote:

 Crazyterran wrote:
space marines are just so over the top in all regards that no other modern science fiction can compare.

No, not even close. Plenty of modern scifi universes could effortlessly exterminate everything in 40k, if they would even care enough to bother with such a trivial task. For example, the only question about whether a single Culture civilian transport ship could kill the entire 40k universe would be whether it could do it with its own guns, or if it would have to construct some proper warships first.

The culture is largely ignored by general sci fi fans because its not enjoyable and too over the top for its own good.

Da Mediokre Painta wrote:
No way, the suits in SC run on some gas turbine generation tech that just is centuries behind the fusion core that Space Marines have.

Do you perhaps have a quote for that? Or are you too entering into Ash’s territory of make-believe?

Da Mediokre Painta wrote:
And IoM tech isn't unreliable by a long shot.

I think Martel debunked that fallacy the best.

Martel732 wrote:
Superhumans whose armor fails utterly 33% of the time. Autoguns, spears, punches from grots, stiff breezes can all kill a marine right through power armor.

Da Mediokre Painta wrote:
IoM tech may not be at the height that it once was, but that doesn't mean that SC's is even comparable.

And how do you determine that? Stating how something isn’t comparable is quite different to listing reasons as to why something isn’t comparable.

Arguments are won by delivering facts and evidence, that just how it’s done m8.

SM armour is still better than Starcraft Marine armour. SM armour provides 66% protection, Starcraft Marine armour makes literally no difference whatsoever. (Source: Heroes of the Storm)

That's not true at all. 3/3 marines are awesome.