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2015/01/19 22:13:54
Subject: Rumors of the possible future of WHFB in summer 2015
How I learned to stop worrying and love the bubbleverse...
Yeah that never happened. At least I pretend that.
I'm hearing allot of chat about sisters but that's all it is chat, I've had more solid info about Skitari then sisters though people are saying that it's this year.
Lizardmen are probably gone just like Brets.
Brets are joining the Armies of Man thing if rumors are true, and if all their units still exist you'll still be able to field a pure classic Bret army like you can now from the book. Hell they got some fluff in the End Times books too from what I understand too
Spoiler:
The Green Knight is their First King who is still alive and is back.
Lizardmen are looking like they're more completely gone, unless they're just getting a rework and will come back later with some new design choices. So they're actually looking to be worse off than the Brets on this one right now.
2015/01/19 22:50:19
Subject: Rumors of the possible future of WHFB in summer 2015
How I learned to stop worrying and love the bubbleverse...
Yeah that never happened. At least I pretend that.
I'm hearing allot of chat about sisters but that's all it is chat, I've had more solid info about Skitari then sisters though people are saying that it's this year.
Lizardmen are probably gone just like Brets.
Brets are joining the Armies of Man thing if rumors are true, and if all their units still exist you'll still be able to field a pure classic Bret army like you can now from the book. Hell they got some fluff in the End Times books too from what I understand too
Spoiler:
The Green Knight is their First King who is still alive and is back.
Lizardmen are looking like they're more completely gone, unless they're just getting a rework and will come back later with some new design choices. So they're actually looking to be worse off than the Brets on this one right now.
Brets joining the army of men is part of the rumor BUT the entire bret line still existing is NOT part of the rumors. The rumors basically say that when the books get combined lots of units will be cut out of the books. So empire will be down to just halberds no more swordsmen or spearmen just the one basic state troop, etc. Thats the worst part is finding out half of the models you have are no longer part of your army
RoperPG wrote: Blimey, it's very salty in here...
Any more vegans want to put forth their opinions on bacon?
2015/01/19 22:53:59
Subject: Rumors of the possible future of WHFB in summer 2015
How I learned to stop worrying and love the bubbleverse...
Yeah that never happened. At least I pretend that.
I'm hearing allot of chat about sisters but that's all it is chat, I've had more solid info about Skitari then sisters though people are saying that it's this year.
Lizardmen are probably gone just like Brets.
Brets are joining the Armies of Man thing if rumors are true, and if all their units still exist you'll still be able to field a pure classic Bret army like you can now from the book. Hell they got some fluff in the End Times books too from what I understand too
Spoiler:
The Green Knight is their First King who is still alive and is back.
Lizardmen are looking like they're more completely gone, unless they're just getting a rework and will come back later with some new design choices. So they're actually looking to be worse off than the Brets on this one right now.
Brets joining the army of men is part of the rumor BUT the entire bret line still existing is NOT part of the rumors. The rumors basically say that when the books get combined lots of units will be cut out of the books. So empire will be down to just halberds no more swordsmen or spearmen just the one basic state troop, etc. Thats the worst part is finding out half of the models you have are no longer part of your army
I very much doubt that specific example as they are all part of the same kit. More likely boxed sets that are old and models that are still only resin and metal will be culled first.
Bye bye Dakkadakka, happy hobbying! I really enjoyed my time on here. Opinions were always my own :-)
2015/01/19 23:01:25
Subject: Rumors of the possible future of WHFB in summer 2015
How I learned to stop worrying and love the bubbleverse...
Yeah that never happened. At least I pretend that.
I'm hearing allot of chat about sisters but that's all it is chat, I've had more solid info about Skitari then sisters though people are saying that it's this year.
Lizardmen are probably gone just like Brets.
Brets are joining the Armies of Man thing if rumors are true, and if all their units still exist you'll still be able to field a pure classic Bret army like you can now from the book. Hell they got some fluff in the End Times books too from what I understand too [spoiler]The Green Knight is their First King who is still alive and is back.
Lizardmen are looking like they're more completely gone, unless they're just getting a rework and will come back later with some new design choices. So they're actually looking to be worse off than the Brets on this one right now.
Brets joining the army of men is part of the rumor BUT the entire bret line still existing is NOT part of the rumors. The rumors basically say that when the books get combined lots of units will be cut out of the books. So empire will be down to just halberds no more swordsmen or spearmen just the one basic state troop, etc. Thats the worst part is finding out half of the models you have are no longer part of your army
I very much doubt that specific example as they are all part of the same kit. More likely boxed sets that are old and models that are still only resin and metal will be culled first.
[/spoiler]
Thats exactly what will happen, but lots of people still use lots of those minis. Look at bret knights. Only knights of the realm and knights errant have a plastic box(a VERY old plastic box) and the others are in resin. So do brets now only have 1 knight option? If the point of this is to cut down then i dont see them making new plastic sculpts for those, thus lots of those units will be cut. Units that many people have models for.
RoperPG wrote: Blimey, it's very salty in here...
Any more vegans want to put forth their opinions on bacon?
2015/01/19 23:27:43
Subject: Rumors of the possible future of WHFB in summer 2015
Thats exactly what will happen, but lots of people still use lots of those minis. Look at bret knights. Only knights of the realm and knights errant have a plastic box(a VERY old plastic box) and the others are in resin. So do brets now only have 1 knight option? If the point of this is to cut down then i dont see them making new plastic sculpts for those, thus lots of those units will be cut. Units that many people have models for.
My guess is that if the culling and combination of armies happens then the Armies of Man (or however it's supposed to be called) will have two or three cavalry variations (normal, elite, light, or something like that) with many options. That way they can classify and sort all the old cavalry (all the Bret. knight, Kislev, and Empire) into these three (or four or whatever) categories.
The same probably goes for infantry (skirmisher, archer, average main block stuff, some elite) where most Dwarves are put into elite infantry. Artillery can be cannon type, catapult type, and other.
Add a lot of special characters that unlock a few unique options (units or rules), like a Dwarf Engineer for Gyrocopters, and all the old miniatures are covered with fewer modern unit types and you don't destroy any armies but make them more generic and easier to balance by having less stuff to compare.
It would probably be even easier for elves where a lot of similar stat lines exist and the play-style probably can be adjusted so all flavours can use all the army list variations. This would probably mean that some Wood Elf lists need more adjustment than others but it would also reduce the number of army books by two, from three to one with a few sub-lists.
2015/01/20 00:23:19
Subject: Rumors of the possible future of WHFB in summer 2015
I feel pretty confident that it will be the following six-ish armies:
1. Human Alliance: Sound like WoW? Well, it is pretty much, except exchange elves for Ogres (a good example of this shows up in the Warhammer Quest computer remake that came out- ogre mercenaries are a common thing, especially before the advent of Ogre Kingdoms). In addition, you get Fantasy Marines, which could either be their whole new concocted thing or maybe all the Bretonnian knights hit power levels over 9000. Plus dwarves very much in the same vein as WoW (muskets, machines, etc.).
2. Chaos: This is just basically putting everything back into the book the way it originally was...well, plus a twist. So you have your Chaos warriors, beastmen, and daemons all back in the book like they used to be. The *new* addition (which has been pretty heavily pointed at in the END TIMES: Thanquol book) would be Skaven to this army. It makes enough sense since they're pretty evil little blighters, plus there's nothing to stop Chaos forces from fighting each other.
3. Orcs and Goblins: Don't really go well with any other groups except maybe Ogres, but I think they'll be alone to prevent being too cliche (remember, GW is trying to make this stuff at least somewhat unique).
4. Undead: Vampire Counts and Tomb Kings, back together again. Just like Chaos, cut out books that didn't really need to ever have been separate.
5. Elves: All three forces unified. This concept feels a bit weird, but I'm guessing GW is approaching it from the concept of it being more unique than shoving High Elves with humans and Dark Elves with, oh I don't know, Chaos. All three elf factions together means they can spend their time dicking everyone over in a thematic/fluffly way.
6. Lizardmen: Everyone is talking about the possibility of these guys disappearing but I don't frankly see it happening. For a while I wasn't sure where they would go since I was considering Skaven a separate faction from Chaos. With the lore coming in from the newest End Times book, putting Skaven in with Chaos leaves a sixth spot wide open, right where these guys will go. They're probably going to be pretty pissed off at everyone for letting the world get destroyed, so they'll work well independently the same way Orcs do.
This is my hypothesis on the matter.
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2015/01/20 01:50:26
Subject: Rumors of the possible future of WHFB in summer 2015
Haha, I know it seems kind of strange to put Skaven in with the rest of the Chaos forces. I just think the dealings Thanquol (at least, I believe it's Thanquol) has with Archeon sets the stage for the Skaven to essentially meld with the other forces of Chaos. This also puts all the most-evil-of-the-evil forces together (Dark Elves excluded since their speciesism outweighs their evilness in the event of the Bubble Wars (TM)).
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2015/01/20 02:26:52
Subject: Re:Rumors of the possible future of WHFB in summer 2015
Two groups of Lizardmen survived. One group (in the space temples) contained all the Slann and a lot of their skink attendants, the second group (sheltered in Kroak's force bubbles) contains the surviving special characters (eg. ascended Kroq-Gar) and the surviving armies.
My bet is that the second group will come back, but its a toss-up whether the Slann return.
So many games, so little time.
So many models, even less time.
Screw it, Netflix and chill.
2015/01/20 02:42:25
Subject: Rumors of the possible future of WHFB in summer 2015
I think GW wishes they could sell Lizardmen in 40k. Heck, Necrons became significantly more "Tomb Kings in Space" with the more recent codex (although they've always had a flair of the Egyptian).
However, I think they are worried that cannibalizing Lizardmen in WHFB to have them released in 40k would (a) Really piss off ALL WHFB fans since it would be a huge, HUGE snub, and (b) Further push WHFB into obscurity than it already is.
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2015/01/20 03:32:45
Subject: Rumors of the possible future of WHFB in summer 2015
For all the cries of Lizardmen getting squatted, I don't see it. Not only does the End Times indicate there are survivors, but also Lizardmen are only one of three WHFB armies that hasn't seen any of their plastic kits go to direct only. The other two armies are Demons (obvious 40K cross sales) and Dark Elves. That none of those armies have had kits go direct would suggest they still enjoy healthy sales. GW won't get rid of a good selling army.
Spoiler:
Also given that Dark Elves are selling well might explain the outcome of the ET:Khaine book.
2015/01/20 04:58:20
Subject: Rumors of the possible future of WHFB in summer 2015
If the armies are going to be condensed downward, I can't see any one single army riding this thing out alone. Lizardmen would either have to be paired up with another army or two, or I think they will be discontinued.
The only other option I could see is if they become some sort of mercenary faction - say with Ogres and *maybe* beastmen.
It never ends well
2015/01/20 12:28:49
Subject: Rumors of the possible future of WHFB in summer 2015
The thing to remember is that, according to these rumours, the current way of doing things is not the model. The rumours say that we should expect rapid and small additions to the six factions in turn, which I shall call 'waves', and that these waves will be time-limited. For this model, keeping an army simply because it has a lot of kits doesn't matter; the whole idea is to bring out lots of new kits with interesting and unique looks, in a fire-and-forget format that allows GW to avoid having a huge range of boxes. They don't want to have an Elven faction with 89 boxes; they want an Elven faction with a half-dozen long-lasting boxes (call it the 'essentials' range: bog standard core units, for which the current Dark Elf infantry box is a very strong contender), and a revolving stock of another half dozen boxes, all with unique IP qualities. Having lots of current kits thus is totally irrelevant to the future, since the current range (with millions of kits, and various ancient Core plastic boxes) is not envisaged as playing any role in the future range.
You should probably not expect the current army book titles to remain. Instead, I would expect a new more unique title, and then the Lizards may or may not turn up as a recurring element in one of those. As a purely speculative example: 'The Savage Hierarchy', for which the initial wave includes Saurus Cavalry and Skink skirmishers (both sexy new kits with round bases), along with a big monster (Carnosaur kit for example). Then six months later we get a Fishmen wave for them, which has a bunch of stuff like swarms and tough heavy infantry. Six months later you get Saurus Beserkers, who are a unit of super-heavy infantry. Six months after that, they retire the Fishmen wave, and bring out a new wave. And so on.
This is all assuming that the rumours are correct, and that I've interpreted those rumours correctly.
2015/01/20 12:51:44
Subject: Rumors of the possible future of WHFB in summer 2015
streamdragon wrote:Beastmen HATE the Wood Elves and vice versa. Sticking them together? Might as well put Archaon in the Empire.
Not sure any of the rules relating to logic in the fluff apply anymore. Dark Elves hate High Elves according to the pre-established lore and look how GW has dealt with that!
Accolade wrote:I feel pretty confident that it will be the following six-ish armies:
1. Human Alliance: Sound like WoW? Well, it is pretty much, except exchange elves for Ogres (a good example of this shows up in the Warhammer Quest computer remake that came out- ogre mercenaries are a common thing, especially before the advent of Ogre Kingdoms). In addition, you get Fantasy Marines, which could either be their whole new concocted thing or maybe all the Bretonnian knights hit power levels over 9000. Plus dwarves very much in the same vein as WoW (muskets, machines, etc.).
2. Chaos: This is just basically putting everything back into the book the way it originally was...well, plus a twist. So you have your Chaos warriors, beastmen, and daemons all back in the book like they used to be. The *new* addition (which has been pretty heavily pointed at in the END TIMES: Thanquol book) would be Skaven to this army. It makes enough sense since they're pretty evil little blighters, plus there's nothing to stop Chaos forces from fighting each other.
3. Orcs and Goblins: Don't really go well with any other groups except maybe Ogres, but I think they'll be alone to prevent being too cliche (remember, GW is trying to make this stuff at least somewhat unique).
4. Undead: Vampire Counts and Tomb Kings, back together again. Just like Chaos, cut out books that didn't really need to ever have been separate.
5. Elves: All three forces unified. This concept feels a bit weird, but I'm guessing GW is approaching it from the concept of it being more unique than shoving High Elves with humans and Dark Elves with, oh I don't know, Chaos. All three elf factions together means they can spend their time dicking everyone over in a thematic/fluffly way.
6. Lizardmen: Everyone is talking about the possibility of these guys disappearing but I don't frankly see it happening. For a while I wasn't sure where they would go since I was considering Skaven a separate faction from Chaos. With the lore coming in from the newest End Times book, putting Skaven in with Chaos leaves a sixth spot wide open, right where these guys will go. They're probably going to be pretty pissed off at everyone for letting the world get destroyed, so they'll work well independently the same way Orcs do.
This is my hypothesis on the matter.
On the possible factions of a new Warhammer I think the Chaos and Undead are the smoothest transitions as unifying their current factions into single books makes sense. The unification of the elves, like much of the awkward fluff in Khaine, doesn't convince in the slightest.
A grudge never too old to settle with metal and ire on the funeral pyre of vanquished foe
2015/01/20 13:21:29
Subject: Rumors of the possible future of WHFB in summer 2015
1. Chaos
2. Humans and allies
3. Skaven - very strong IP, more than strong enough to form their own book/faction
4. Undead
5. Elves - forget all the previous fluff and imagine a single Elven race, similar to how there used to be just one Elven Blood Bowl team
6. Lizardmen
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1. Chaos
2. Humans and allies
3. Skaven - very strong IP, more than strong enough to form their own book/faction
4. Undead
5. Elves - forget all the previous fluff and imagine a single Elven race
6. Lizardmen
I largely agree with you, but with some small adjustments:
1. Chaos Space Marines
2. Space Marines and Human allies
3. Skaven Marines
4. Death Guard
5. Emperor's Children with Elven Allies
6. Vulkan and First Company Terminators
2021/09/16 14:18:57
Subject: Rumors of the possible future of WHFB in summer 2015
The game is dying because GW tried to pander to veterans and collectors and have priced out everyone else by requiring huge model counts to even start an army.
How exactly did 8th edition "pander to veterans"?
8th edition made the previous style of armies that generally consisted of a large variety of small units completely obsolete and instead forced everyone to double or triple their infantry unit sizes if they wanted to remain competitive while simultaneous making other unit choices completely unviable. The overwhelming majority of veterans that I knew about abandoned the game in 8th edition, not one of the changes that GW made was made with veterans in mind except perhaps by "forcing" them to re-buy large amounts of models that they already had just to serve as wound counters.
2015/01/20 14:25:49
Subject: Rumors of the possible future of WHFB in summer 2015
The game is dying because GW tried to pander to veterans and collectors and have priced out everyone else by requiring huge model counts to even start an army.
How exactly did 8th edition "pander to veterans"?
8th edition made the previous style of armies that generally consisted of a large variety of small units completely obsolete and instead forced everyone to double or triple their infantry unit sizes if they wanted to remain competitive while simultaneous making other unit choices completely unviable. The overwhelming majority of veterans that I knew about abandoned the game in 8th edition, not one of the changes that GW made was made with veterans in mind except perhaps by "forcing" them to re-buy large amounts of models that they already had just to serve as wound counters.
Locally, at least, people were more willing to abandon 8th edition than they were to abandon their armies - it was a huge shot in the arm for Kings of War. (Which, ironically, actually handles huge armies better than 8th edition Warhammer does.)
But then my area also has a thriving Battlesystem community. (The old TSR mass combat game for AD&D.) We don't let go of our minis easily....
The Auld Grump - heck... last year I watched folks playing with Laser Burn miniatures....
Kilkrazy wrote:When I was a young boy all my wargames were narratively based because I played with my toy soldiers and vehicles without the use of any rules.
The reason I bought rules and became a real wargamer was because I wanted a properly thought out structure to govern the action instead of just making things up as I went along.
2015/01/20 14:42:16
Subject: Rumors of the possible future of WHFB in summer 2015
