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Clarification

Further clarifications for CSM Cult Marines
-No own Profiles/Choices for Cult Marines in the Codex
-Cult Marines are "upgrades" for the most of the CSM Units

I wonder, does that mean cult marines are now always troops? without having to pay the marked lord/sorcerer tax and in any detatchment?

Since we are on the subject concerning cult troops, besides remakes of the infantry, there will be Cult Terminators for World Eaters and Death Guard. No Terminators for the other two Gods (as of now) but there will be a cavalry unit for Slaanesh.

from the source that said there would be new plague marine models on faeit 212.

Maybe the cavalry unit is slaanesh biker upgrades or something?

It is a Khorne CSM Supplement - released in March

Re: Chaos Space Marines in the pipeline

Originally Posted by totgeboren
Darnok, do you happen to know anything about the theme of the supposed new CSM supplement? Some random warband again I assume?

The theme is Khorne, as far as I'm told.

http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?404199-Chaos-Space-Marines-in-the-pipeline (and on page 2)

Well, I guess we'll see more supplements in the near future after the release of the Necron codex.
Starting a new cycle of codex releases makes not much seen atm since even CSM and DA are playable in the current edition.
Some care to the Cult Marines would definitely be a right move.

Exactly. It makes a lot more sense

 Bahkara wrote:
Clarification

Further clarifications for CSM Cult Marines
-No own Profiles/Choices for Cult Marines in the Codex
-Cult Marines are "upgrades" for the most of the CSM Units

Well, that sounds entirely more jolly.

I've always had a spot for Chaos, and having Legions or ways to be good with Chaos would probably be the only way that I'd ever entertain playing 40k again. So here's hoping.

I'm vainly trying to recapture my youth, back in 2nd I had a very heavily biased to Slaanesh Chaos warband with Marines, Beastmen, Daemons etc..

Since 7th, for all it's faults, this is back on the table (well, as long as a counts as Beastment as cultists) without needing special permission or even unbound, so, having already been playing daemons for most of 6th, I've started adding some Chaos Marines (and by "some" I mean about 3k points!)

Even if it means datalsates, if GW are going to hand me options, I'm kinda ok with that, Noise Raptors and Havocs with Blastmasters, marked vehicles etc would all be very cool, even if it costs extra.

Hear that GW? I don't mind paying extra, as long as what I'm paying extra for is cool. Stop churning out gak and give us some quality product so we can give you money and hugs again.

 Bahkara wrote:
Clarification

Further clarifications for CSM Cult Marines
-No own Profiles/Choices for Cult Marines in the Codex
-Cult Marines are "upgrades" for the most of the CSM Units

So, we're back to Marks = Cult?

Damn could you imagine 4 Blastmasters in one squad

 dameanone wrote:
Damn could you imagine 4 Blastmasters in one squad

Yes... and i love it, until you face a bunch of flyers...

 dameanone wrote:
Damn could you imagine 4 Blastmasters in one squad

Right?

I'll admit I've hardly gone backed and trawled through the codex to imagine how they might be modified to Legion flavoured, but on first glance this actually sounds like it could work well.

In the last week of March, GW will release a Codex for Khorne Warbands/Hordes.

It combines Khorne-themed CSM and daemon units. Formations, etc..

It is a one-week release with no new miniatures released for this new codex as such (but Zerkers, in all their old miniatures-glory, are actually in the Codex, no WD spin-offs).

The main purpose of this khorne codex is to ride in the slipstream of End Times 5, which will be released earlier in march, with the "headline"-release of the new Bloodthirster (builds 3 variants).

There is no "main" Codex CSM in 2015. There are no nurgle, tzeentch, etc. equivalents to this khorne one planned (yet), as it's mostly an End Times add-on to make the new Bloodthirster with all its variants work in 40K.

Source?

 Bahkara wrote:
Clarification

Further clarifications for CSM Cult Marines
-No own Profiles/Choices for Cult Marines in the Codex
-Cult Marines are "upgrades" for the most of the CSM Units

So back to 3.5 logic, exactly like I suggested?

Naah, too good to be true.

Sad Panda wrote:
In the last week of March, GW will release a Codex for Khorne Warbands/Hordes.

It combines Khorne-themed CSM and daemon units. Formations, etc..

It is a one-week release with no new miniatures released for this new codex as such (but Zerkers, in all their old miniatures-glory, are actually in the Codex, no WD spin-offs).

The main purpose of this khorne codex is to ride in the slipstream of End Times 5, which will be released earlier in march, with the "headline"-release of the new Bloodthirster (builds 3 variants).

There is no "main" Codex CSM in 2015. There are no nurgle, tzeentch, etc. equivalents to this khorne one planned (yet), as it's mostly an End Times add-on to make the new Bloodthirster with all its variants work in 40K.

*sigh* Looks like we're never going to see a proper Lord of Change model... This will royally suck if the only Greater we get is the absolute worst one of the bunch.
Sure summoning a 'Thirster is great, but overall, colour me 110% disappointed if the only Greater we see this year is Khorne's.

Tzeentch is badly needing some love.

Hopefully Creature Caster gets his to market soon.

Thanks a lot for your post, Sad Panda

Experiment 626 wrote:


*sigh* Looks like we're never going to see a proper Lord of Change model... This will royally suck if the only Greater we get is the absolute worst one of the bunch.
Sure summoning a 'Thirster is great, but overall, colour me 110% disappointed if the only Greater we see this year is Khorne's.

Tzeentch is badly needing some love.

alternatively you could try this one from Mierce (it's big, about 105mm to the eye) I've spoilered it as it's not directly relevant to the thread

When I first started wh40k in 5th edition nearly 5 years ago, I made a commitment to only play Chaos Marines and no other army. It was easy to make that commitment because I did not have much money to have many different armies. After 5 years of fail, I felt like Failbadon and his 13 crusades. Collecting worthless minis thinking this is the artifact that will bring victory.

After hearing this rumor, I believe it. The codex should be renamed Chaos Cultist not Chaos Space Marines. Just remove the space marine element entirely. Most people just take cultists as troop tax anyways to allocate more points into other slots. A CSM is not worth his points and the other options such as plague and noise are just too expensive.

If they hurt CSM any more then I will feel good about selling my CSM army and quitting w40k for good. I do not plan on buying anymore of their codex or data slates. GW has done bad with their loyal customers and I no longer support GW with my wallet.

When the new dex for CSM comes out, look through it and if you dont like it, simply do not buy it. Shelf your CSM army or sell it, and play with a different army. The answer is simple.

Dang, that is one seriously buff chicken.

I think one of the biggest problems with the CSM codex is that GW wants it to represent Renegades over the other 50% of CSM that legionaries in the setting but they do it by only saying that's what the book represents without actually having any rules that portray them as Renegades. As foolish as it is IF GW is going to keep saying that's what they're doing they need to write the codex to actually do it or they need to gives us something closer to what we want.

 Bahkara wrote:
Clarification

Further clarifications for CSM Cult Marines
-No own Profiles/Choices for Cult Marines in the Codex
-Cult Marines are "upgrades" for the most of the CSM Units

I would be fine with this, as long as it's a universal system like the 3.5 'Dex where "Mark of [Chaos God] does X, Y and Z to any unit, and cannot be given to Units A, B or C."

Experiment 626 wrote:
I know everyone loves to trumpet the idea about all the flavour it added, especially for Legions, but overall it was overall incredibly restrictive, especially for mono players.

I've heard this argument before. It's no more true now than it was back then.

Experiment 626 wrote:
For example, Khorne had 0 access to Havocs. Sure World Eaters aren't known for their big guns and sitting back, but it never made any sense at all that World Eaters or even just Khornate armies in general could never take a marked unit of Havocs tooled out with Meltas and/or Flamers.

Never made sense to you, you mean. This isn't the blue-and-white World Eaters of old, where they were angry but still relatively sane. This is the army after 10,000 years of dedication to Khorne.

Experiment 626 wrote:
Nor did it make sense that every single Tzeentch-marked Marine was automatically a Rubric Marine...

Uhh... yes it did. That's what happened to the Legion. Rubric fethed them completely, leaving only the Sorcerers with real bodies.

Experiment 626 wrote:
...or that only Word Bearers could take Dark Apostles, while Cultists were limited strictly to Alpha Legion only, etc, etc...

I'll give you the cultist thing, but Dark Apostles were only a WB thing at the time.

Experiment 626 wrote:
The current Codex may lack the more niche elements such as Cult Termies and God-specific upgrades for units A/B/C, but overall, there's a million times more flexibility for representing and playing Legion-based armies.

Yeah... no. Codex: Space Marines is still better at representing the Chaos Legions than the actual Chaos Codex.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

Experiment 626 wrote:
The current Codex may lack the more niche elements such as Cult Termies and God-specific upgrades for units A/B/C, but overall, there's a million times more flexibility for representing and playing Legion-based armies.

Yeah... no. Codex: Space Marines is still better at representing the Chaos Legions than the actual Chaos Codex.

I'm actually using the Spave Wolves codex to represent my World Eaters army, with everything modified to match. Bezerkers on juggernauts for my TWC, for example. Because sadly enough, I think that Space Wolf rules portray Khorne better than the Chaos Marine codex does.

It's Steve the warboss guys... Nothing to get worked up about.

Deadawake1347 wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

Experiment 626 wrote:
The current Codex may lack the more niche elements such as Cult Termies and God-specific upgrades for units A/B/C, but overall, there's a million times more flexibility for representing and playing Legion-based armies.

Yeah... no. Codex: Space Marines is still better at representing the Chaos Legions than the actual Chaos Codex.

I'm actually using the Spave Wolves codex to represent my World Eaters army, with everything modified to match. Bezerkers on juggernauts for my TWC, for example. Because sadly enough, I think that Space Wolf rules portray Khorne better than the Chaos Marine codex does.

Yeah, i was thinking about using Blood Angles to represent Night Lords. Iron hands for Iron Warriors, Which Loyalist codex would match Alpha Legion?

 Filch wrote:

Deadawake1347 wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

Experiment 626 wrote:
The current Codex may lack the more niche elements such as Cult Termies and God-specific upgrades for units A/B/C, but overall, there's a million times more flexibility for representing and playing Legion-based armies.

Yeah... no. Codex: Space Marines is still better at representing the Chaos Legions than the actual Chaos Codex.

I'm actually using the Spave Wolves codex to represent my World Eaters army, with everything modified to match. Bezerkers on juggernauts for my TWC, for example. Because sadly enough, I think that Space Wolf rules portray Khorne better than the Chaos Marine codex does.

Yeah, i was thinking about using Blood Angles to represent Night Lords. Iron hands for Iron Warriors, Which Loyalist codex would match Alpha Legion?

Erm, maybe... Codex: Space Marines and guard allies? Depends if you want to go heavy on the cultist thing. What about the list in IA:13?

 Filch wrote:
Which Loyalist codex would match Alpha Legion?

Raven Guard? Emphasis on stealth and hitting the enemy's command structure, with allied Guard to represent subverted militia.

DarkSoldier wrote:

 Filch wrote:
Which Loyalist codex would match Alpha Legion?

Raven Guard? Emphasis on stealth and hitting the enemy's command structure, with allied Guard to represent subverted militia.

That would be cool.

Alpha Legion aren't stealthy like Raven Guard though. They're more about subterfuge and sabotage and such as opposed to stealth and guerrilla warfare. There's quite a subtle difference between AL and RG but it is quite a big difference, if that makes sense...

It's quite hard to represent AL on the table. FW did it quite well in the Heresy books but that's not much help here...