Chaos Space Marine Rumors bye bye Cult Marines

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**Asherian Command**

ImAGeek wrote:
Alpha Legion aren't stealthy like Raven Guard though. They're more about subterfuge and sabotage and such as opposed to stealth and guerrilla warfare. There's quite a subtle difference between AL and RG but it is quite a big difference, if that makes sense...

It's quite hard to represent AL on the table. FW did it quite well in the Heresy books but that's not much help here...

Aren't most alpha legionares feel quite shamed about their mutations. So would they have sabotage wide ability that damages all vechiles at the start of combat.

Thats not OP as long as you have infantry.

**Slayer-Fan123**

Filch wrote:
Deadawake1347 wrote:
H.B.M.C. wrote:

Experiment 626 wrote:
The current Codex may lack the more niche elements such as Cult Termies and God-specific upgrades for units A/B/C, but overall, there's a million times more flexibility for representing and playing Legion-based armies.

Yeah... no. Codex: Space Marines is still better at representing the Chaos Legions than the actual Chaos Codex.

I'm actually using the Spave Wolves codex to represent my World Eaters army, with everything modified to match. Bezerkers on juggernauts for my TWC, for example. Because sadly enough, I think that Space Wolf rules portray Khorne better than the Chaos Marine codex does.

Yeah, i was thinking about using Blood Angles to represent Night Lords. Iron hands for Iron Warriors, Which Loyalist codex would match Alpha Legion?

Raptors with Lias as the Warlord?

**Wyzilla**

feth this noise, I'm still starting a CSM army as my first 40K army, and if this turns true I'm just going to tell people I'm running my Night Lords either on Horus Heresy rules with the cult troops taken as battle brother allies.

**SickSix**

Wait, CSM was one of the first 6th Ed codices. Why are they even being talked a out now?

**Azreal13**

Because Necrons are the only book left to update to a hardcover format and are apparently two weeks away?

**Torga_DW**

Also because gw tends to update the army books when a new edition is released?

**Rippy**

(Excuse my still Christmassy banner!)

I think this rumour has a chance, but without a codex release. I think there is a chance for cult terminator etc releases in white dwarf. That sounds more likely to me.

**Flashman**

I could believe this. Look at GW over the last year.

New infantry kits are few and far between. It's all about the large, high mark up products (or "collectibles") now.

They are also removing all their old metal kits from the range and no longer including units in the codex which don't have a plastic kit (bar a few resin characters models). As the Cult Marines don't have plastic infantry (except Khorne Berserkers) and GW presumably aren't intending to release them, they will be supported by specialist rules only.

This is why I'm beginning to think Sisters of Battle will be quietly dropped at some stage. The end of GW as we know it is coming.

**ClockworkZion**

Flashman wrote:
This is why I'm beginning to think Sisters of Battle will be quietly dropped at some stage.

They seriously need to either pull the trigger or update Sisters already. This life support thing they're doing is driving me crazy. Seriously, I'd be less mad if they just dropped the army instead of stringing me along at this point.

Flashman wrote:
The end of GW as we know it is coming.

It's already been changing and honestly I can't be too upset with what they're doing so far. Even the rumors for WFB honestly don't even upset me because the game is dying and needs some serious overhaul before it pulls the company further down the drain.

**Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl**

ClockworkZion wrote:
Seriously, I'd be less mad if they just dropped the army instead of stringing me along at this point.

You just need to get excited about another army (potentially for another game), and you will then be happy enough with the current situation: if there are no opponent for the other game, you can still play with your sisters, and if there is ever a worthwhile update, you will have your army ready.

**ClockworkZion**

Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
ClockworkZion wrote:
Seriously, I'd be less mad if they just dropped the army instead of stringing me along at this point.

You just need to get excited about another army (potentially for another game), and you will then be happy enough with the current situation: if there are no opponent for the other game, you can still play with your sisters, and if there is ever a worthwhile update, you will have your army ready.

Yeah, you're not selling me on Warmachine. It's just not the game for me.

And I like 40k just fine, I'm building a Nids army currently. I'm doing Hive Fleet Kraken. I just want GW to gak or get off the pot when it comes to Sisters.

**Fayric**

Flashman wrote:
I could believe this. Look at GW over the last year.

New infantry kits are few and far between. It's all about the large, high mark up products (or "collectibles") now.

Flashgits, wracks, BA tacticals and Termies. BA Tacticals and Termies!
And not to far back maries got veterans and loyalist devs (3 boxes of infantry), AM got stormtroopers and ogryns. And lots of infantry HQ turned plastic.
Not that many "big kits" these days though.

**H.B.M.C.**

Fayric wrote:
Not that many "big kits" these days though.

You are right. Big kits really are few and far between these days.

**Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl**

ClockworkZion wrote:
Yeah, you're not selling me on Warmachine. It's just not the game for me.

I am not trying to sell you Warmachine. I am trying to sell you the game for you, whatever it is. That is why I mentioned no name. It could anything.
I certainly understood that you did not like Warmachine, and that is why I certainly will not advertise that one game to you.

**Rumour Sauce**

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/546271.page

Just wanted to remind people that I had early information regarding this release over a year ago.

**Fayric**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
Fayric wrote:
Not that many "big kits" these days though.

You are right. Big kits really are few and far between these days.

I can give you the ork walker, and maybe some tyranids as somewhat forced, but bringing up End Times in this cotext is just silly; its a specific campaign with the purpose of going big.
SW got a much needed flyer, but the majority of Codex/army book releases of -14 has been focusing more on updating infantry and HQ or occasional blank spots in the range.
Edit:even the multitude of campaign boxarmies and dataslates/formations focus heavily on infantry far more than monster mash.

**Darkseid**

Rumour Sauce wrote:
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/546271.page

Just wanted to remind people that I had early information regarding this release over a year ago.

Let's wait until they are released shall we? There are already conflicting rumors about the Supplement. Some say it will be about renegades.

**ClockworkZion**

Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
ClockworkZion wrote:
Yeah, you're not selling me on Warmachine. It's just not the game for me.

I am not trying to sell you Warmachine. I am trying to sell you the game for you, whatever it is. That is why I mentioned no name. It could anything.
I certainly understood that you did not like Warmachine, and that is why I certainly will not advertise that one game to you.

I've tried other games, but the only game that really fills that niche for me has been 40k. And it's not about leaving 40k, it's just about the company being honest and either updating an army I play or dropping it completely so I can look at other projects instead.

**Slayer le boucher**

Personnaly of what i've seen, if it is like " All CSM units, can be upgrade to a Cult for xpts" and that lets say a CSM squad with the Zerker Cult upgrade gets +1WS+1A(or rage), FC and Fearless AND they still have their options, then i say yes, finnaly a Zerker squad with 2 meltas to open ennemy transports before going in.

Now if they do the dame thing then in 3.5dex with the restrictions on the options the unit can take given the Cult, then yeah its bollocks.

But at least if its true, no more No-Fearless Termies...

**Wyzilla**

Rumour Sauce wrote:
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/546271.page

Just wanted to remind people that I had early information regarding this release over a year ago.

Yup, feth this. I don't want my codex broken into pieces and sold to me as goddamn DLC.

**Lockark**

Wyzilla wrote:
Rumour Sauce wrote:
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/546271.page

Just wanted to remind people that I had early information regarding this release over a year ago.

Yup, feth this. I don't want my codex broken into pieces and sold to me as goddamn DLC.

That's been the general direction Warhammer 40k has been heading in for awhile. After the Ork and Dark Eldar release I saw the change in the winds and sold off my 6000+ point CSM army and 3000+ point ork armies. Unless your playing a Forgeworld list, that's just the nature of 40k now.

Been kinda getting back into fantasy in all honesty since the end times is actually new content and not repackaged rules that were ripped out of my armybook and sold to me as a separate book.
=/

**Bull0**

Rumour Sauce wrote:
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/546271.page

Just wanted to remind people that I had early information regarding this release over a year ago.

*Very* early, considering you said it was happening "very soon" more than a year ago.

**ClockworkZion**

From Darnok on Warseer:

One of my very reliable birdies told me to not expect a new CSM codex, but only a supplement. And while it is centered around Khorne (plus at least one new unit and new models in plastic), it is not about a Legion, but a renegade warband. This is a contradiction to the rumour in the OP by Steve the Warboss, and only one set of those rumours can be correct in the end.

Another twist is we could get both, or get one now and the other later.

Either way Darnok has some info and that's usually a good sign of something coming.

**Darnok**

Sad Panda wrote:
In the last week of March, GW will release a Codex for Khorne Warbands/Hordes.

It combines Khorne-themed CSM and daemon units. Formations, etc..

It is a one-week release with no new miniatures released for this new codex as such (but Zerkers, in all their old miniatures-glory, are actually in the Codex, no WD spin-offs).

The main purpose of this khorne codex is to ride in the slipstream of End Times 5, which will be released earlier in march, with the "headline"-release of the new Bloodthirster (builds 3 variants).

There is no "main" Codex CSM in 2015. There are no nurgle, tzeentch, etc. equivalents to this khorne one planned (yet), as it's mostly an End Times add-on to make the new Bloodthirster with all its variants work in 40K.

I know it is "cool" to not trust new members, but this one is spot on, as far as I know.

**Crimson**

Any idea whether this Khorne book will be a full-fledged codex or a mere supplement?

**Arbitrator**

Crimson wrote:
Any idea whether this Khorne book will be a full-fledged codex or a mere supplement?

A Supplement but with rules for the new units I presume.

**Warhams-77**

Darnok said yesterday this will be a supplement

**Experiment 626**

Darnok wrote:
Sad Panda wrote:
In the last week of March, GW will release a Codex for Khorne Warbands/Hordes.

It combines Khorne-themed CSM and daemon units. Formations, etc..

It is a one-week release with no new miniatures released for this new codex as such (but Zerkers, in all their old miniatures-glory, are actually in the Codex, no WD spin-offs).

The main purpose of this khorne codex is to ride in the slipstream of End Times 5, which will be released earlier in march, with the "headline"-release of the new Bloodthirster (builds 3 variants).

There is no "main" Codex CSM in 2015. There are no nurgle, tzeentch, etc. equivalents to this khorne one planned (yet), as it's mostly an End Times add-on to make the new Bloodthirster with all its variants work in 40K.

I know it is "cool" to not trust new members, but this one is spot on, as far as I know.

I hope that this time GW will not torment us by making us wait 2+ years for all 4 of the Greaters to be released...

Last time, Khorne was 1st, the GUO came about 6-7 months afterwards, followed by another 7-8 month wait for the LoC, while the poor Keeper finally showed up about 5-6 months later.
It would be nice for once to see Slaanesh & Tzeentch jump the cue, but apparently GW doesn't want my money.

**Torga_DW**

Experiment 626 wrote:

I hope that this time GW will not torment us by making us wait 2+ years for all 4 of the Greaters to be released...

Last time, Khorne was 1st, the GUO came about 6-7 months afterwards, followed by another 7-8 month wait for the LoC, while the poor Keeper finally showed up about 5-6 months later.
It would be nice for once to see Slaanesh & Tzeentch jump the cue, but apparently GW doesn't want my money.

That's assuming all 4 greaters do end up getting released. How many years has it been since plastic beserkers (1 of the cults) were released?

**Slayer le boucher**

Plastic Zerker?, these date from 3rd Ed...

In the early days of 3rd Ed, when the Jervis Dex was out and that MoK gave +1S and that you could Roll 3 times on the "good" Mutations chart for Possesed..., and also for some reason you had in FA units of Juggers.., yes the ones in pewter that moved only 6" at the time...