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 ClockworkZion wrote:

flapping tyrion wrote:
So that's the end of warhammer, great I only just started lol

It's only the end of WFB in it's current form. It's not going away yet.

The setting...gone.

The armies...gone.

Will they make similar armies for this new beginning? Probably. So fething what? Everyone and everything that you liked in your army's backstory? Gone. All the characters? Dead, except this one guy.

It's a huge crap sandwich, but they forgot the bread and the fixins.

shade1313 wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

flapping tyrion wrote:
So that's the end of warhammer, great I only just started lol

It's only the end of WFB in it's current form. It's not going away yet.

The setting...gone.

The armies...gone.

Will they make similar armies for this new beginning? Probably. So fething what? Everyone and everything that you liked in your army's backstory? Gone. All the characters? Dead, except this one guy.

It's a huge crap sandwich, but they forgot the bread and the fixins.

Yes, because GW is going to dump millions of pounds of inventory with no plan.

The last line of the last page makes it quite clear that we're not seeing a true end, but rather the start of something new, and considering they have a LOT of fantasy stuff (and no sign of anything being put on a massive clearance sale) my money is that the setting and armies are only changed not squatted.

You're drawing conclusions about something that hasn't coming out yet and we don't know what 9th is really going to entail yet.

flapping tyrion wrote:
So that's the end of warhammer, great I only just started lol

It's highly likely that GW won't come to your house and tear up your rulebooks.

 insaniak wrote:

flapping tyrion wrote:
So that's the end of warhammer, great I only just started lol

It's highly likely that GW won't come to your house and tear up your rulebooks.

I also find it unlikely so many new models and units would be released only to be completely dropped a couple months later.

I don't think much, if any of Warhammer is actually going away, and what is going away is probably going to be limited to the dead SCs (maybe) and Finecast (as this is the best time to prune a lot of that out). Outside of that combined army books that allow you to play a faction on it's own or as a part of a larger faction seems pretty plausible if the End Times books are anything to go on.

Assumptions that the game is completely dead seem rather premature in my opinion.

I've always wondered what a Chaos army of nothing but characters would truly be capable of. Guess it's time to find out.

I wonder if this WHFB Unbound concept is a way to push out remaining levels of miniatures they don't want to keep producing ("hey, run all those...ahem, resin special units to really forge that narrative!")

Although I'm also guessing they'll have a big limited-time-only on whatever they cut so they can see if the collector audience will buy up what's left.

I said it before and will say it again, I am directly calling the people who said that GW are squatting any of the armies in fantasy, liars, they are telling lies to boost clicks or whatever to their websites, I know GW can be dim, but dropping the near entire fantasy range, bull.

Vent over, as to a new setting that uses the current range and updates them slowly I can see.

 Stormonu wrote:

 Haljin wrote:
So, this did not make it here yet?

Spoiler:

Sounds like the birth of the Emperor to me.

...To be continued ... GO PLAY 40K!!!!

Yeah, definitely occurred to me too. I am very curious to see where they take this. And very sad that I bought new Wood Elves and Citadel Woods this past summer... It feels like a swindle to me:

"Here, buy this new range of Wood Elves models, that you have been waiting for for a decade! Oops! Now their entire universe is gone! Psych!"

How could it not be bad if the entire "Old World" just got swallowed up into a Chaos vortex?

I mean, I'd like it to not be that bad. But it feels pretty bad...

It would be bad if the game was actually killed, but I think we're more likely to see a tweaked version of WFB coming out of this where it's similar, but not identical.

Y'know, I'm actually okay with the multiple BSBs.

Wood Elves get crapped on for Magic Banners to begin with. One of the few armies in the game with a Special unit(Wildwood Rangers) that can only take 25 pts for a Magic Banner.

And what in the hell is up with the overcosted nonsense that is the Banner of the Hunter King?

 ClockworkZion wrote:
It would be bad if the game was actually killed, but I think we're more likely to see a tweaked version of WFB coming out of this where it's similar, but not identical.

Really? You really see them launching 9th edition with, "and then the last hero in the void used his super awesome magic power to fix everything, and it went back to (almost) exactly the way it was before. Have fun!" That's a serious comic book level retcon to pull on your fanbase.

 Guildsman wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:
It would be bad if the game was actually killed, but I think we're more likely to see a tweaked version of WFB coming out of this where it's similar, but not identical.

Really? You really see them launching 9th edition with, "and then the last hero in the void used his super awesome magic power to fix everything, and it went back to (almost) exactly the way it was before. Have fun!" That's a serious comic book level retcon to pull on your fanbase.

Not exactly. I see 9th being birthed from what the person knew, but it not playing out the same way. Like the rumors of mixed factions.

Well, if our one lonely special snowflake hero does end up being Draigo coming out the other end of Chaos, who knows what the guy is capable of at that point?

Plus I thought whatever we see in 9th is going to be some time after... time ended. Like centuries and stuff. Good chance for new fluff to start, especially with all the aftermath of what's occurred and how the various factions plan on rebuilding.

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
Well, if our one lonely special snowflake hero does end up being Draigo coming out the other end of Chaos, who knows what the guy is capable of at that point?

Plus I thought whatever we see in 9th is going to be some time after... time ended. Like centuries and stuff. Good chance for new fluff to start, especially with all the aftermath of what's occurred and how the various factions plan on rebuilding.

Considering the talk about other worlds, I'd say at most the world ended, but not the whole universe.

And even that isn't something that is automatically the end of everything.

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
Well, if our one lonely special snowflake hero does end up being Draigo coming out the other end of Chaos, who knows what the guy is capable of at that point?

Plus I thought whatever we see in 9th is going to be some time after... time ended. Like centuries and stuff. Good chance for new fluff to start, especially with all the aftermath of what's occurred and how the various factions plan on rebuilding.

An excellent opportunity to squat half of them! Jolly good!

But seriously.

Even though it's 'nice' that GW decided to advance the storyline a bit some of their literary techniques leave a lot to be desired. You know, like sending the faction bred to fight chaos and protect the work of the Old Ones off into space in magic bubbles. You know, after their astrology based culture and religion somehow failed to notice a moon getting closer.

I feel there was a lot....left out. It was surprising lacklustre. Factions got ignored, sidelined or crappy little mentions while characters from 3 editions ago got more mention and focus.

Here's what I personally believe happens since they failed to mention him at all in Thanquol.

The world ends. Everyone suffers a heroic killing blow.

Gor-Rok rolls a 2+, only takes 1 wound and survives.

GW have their minds blown and WFB ends up in permanent limbo because their focus was on 'Insert Special Character from 3 editions ago' and 'Insert Special Character We Made Up Just For This'.

Thing is if the last person left (Alive) is Sigmar or an elf - why would they bring back anything other than their own people's

so the Elf brings back the Elves, Dragons, Tree spirits and that's about it?
Sigmar would bring back the humans and dwarves and that's about it?

Neither of the above would bring back Orcs, Skaven, beastmen etc? Why would they? Doubt Sigmar would bring back Elves et el and can't see the Elves bringing back either humans or Dwarves?

You know, like sending the faction bred to fight chaos and protect the work of the Old Ones off into space in magic bubbles.

I think the point was that the war was lost and it was head for the lifeboats.....

You know, after their astrology based culture and religion somehow failed to notice a moon getting closer.

They did notice and they held it back for a good long time - then they failed - the Slaan have been holding together a increasingly fragmented world and plan for millennia - growing weaker and smaller in number - at some point they were always going to fracture and fail.

I liked the acknowledgments of really old lore - I don't always like where some of it went but it was nice to see the names and references.

I have a vain hope that they will carry on the "Time of Legends books" as I really wanted to read the 3rd Book of "Blood of Nagash"

99% certain Mr Reynolds has said there will be no 3rd book in that series.

 reds8n wrote:
99% certain Mr Reynolds has said there will be no 3rd book in that series.

Ah that's very sad to hear :(

I wonder if they're going to borrow anything from KoW rules set?

 angelofvengeance wrote:
I wonder if they're going to borrow anything from KoW rules set?

I hope not.

 Platuan4th wrote:

 angelofvengeance wrote:
I wonder if they're going to borrow anything from KoW rules set?

I hope not.

KOW is focused on fast, simple rules based around units not monsters, magic and characters.

The GW formula has lead them to success based on none of those things so I expect a reboot that will be blissfully free of them.

Also a bit worried about the completely unbound army selection. Even 5th edition WFB had some limitations to it. This just seems....ominous.

I mean, I can see the perks for themes and the like...but you'll get the power gamers out in force with Broken Unit X. Hence why Unbound for 40k didn't work so well in a competitive setting.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Y'know, I'm actually okay with the multiple BSBs.

Wood Elves get crapped on for Magic Banners to begin with. One of the few armies in the game with a Special unit(Wildwood Rangers) that can only take 25 pts for a Magic Banner.

And what in the hell is up with the overcosted nonsense that is the Banner of the Hunter King?

Hey, at least you actually have Magic Banners.

Us Daemons on the other hand... we're the only army in the entire game who don't even have a single Magic Banner of our own! All we get are the crappy BRB ones.

If 9th at the very least invalidates & removes our current piece of fecal matter excuse of an army book, then it's a success! No other army right now is as boring & outright frustrating to play as Daemons.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 Platuan4th wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

Saldiven wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:
I was a little disappointed that "axe flails" are flails with axe heads on the ends of the chains.

Yeah, those are conceptually pretty weak.

Would be far better if they were flails with axe-heads instead of spiked balls at the end of the chains. As it is, the weapon seems ludicrously unwieldy.

I mean, heck...the chains are attached BELOW the axe head. There would always be the likelihood that your own chain would get in the way of the cutting edge of the axe.

To be fair, flails with axes on the end of the chains would be unwieldly and silly too, but at least we'd be going to the logical satirical conclusion of the idea.

Dwarves beat Chaos to that one with the Doomseekers:

See? Silly. That said still cooler than that new model in execution.

The Doomseeker axes were actually what I had in mind.

They'd be a little less ludicrous from a utility standpoint if the axe heads were four-bladed where the head was effectively two axe heads perpendicular to one another.

Didn't Dwarf Slayers have a gatling-axe chucking catapult as well?

Seriously.

 DarkStarSabre wrote:
Didn't Dwarf Slayers have a gatling-axe chucking catapult as well?

Seriously.

Manned by a Slayer-Engineer, yeah.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 DarkStarSabre wrote:
Didn't Dwarf Slayers have a gatling-axe chucking catapult as well?

Seriously.

Manned by a Slayer-Engineer, yeah.

Is it bad that it was still better designed and done than the current End Times AXES ON CHAINS OF BLOOD MCBLOODBLOOD BLOOD?

I also like how Slaanesh and Tzeentch sort of took their holidays before the End Times though. Makes me kind of sad we won't see the love for them.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

shade1313 wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

flapping tyrion wrote:
So that's the end of warhammer, great I only just started lol

It's only the end of WFB in it's current form. It's not going away yet.

The setting...gone.

The armies...gone.

Will they make similar armies for this new beginning? Probably. So fething what? Everyone and everything that you liked in your army's backstory? Gone. All the characters? Dead, except this one guy.

It's a huge crap sandwich, but they forgot the bread and the fixins.

Yes, because GW is going to dump millions of pounds of inventory with no plan.

The last line of the last page makes it quite clear that we're not seeing a true end, but rather the start of something new, and considering they have a LOT of fantasy stuff (and no sign of anything being put on a massive clearance sale) my money is that the setting and armies are only changed not squatted.

You're drawing conclusions about something that hasn't coming out yet and we don't know what 9th is really going to entail yet.

They have done it before so yeah they will do it again.

And that Goblin Hewer was great compared to Mcrotty Mcrotterson OR BLOOD DEATHAXESKULL AXERFLLAILWHIPPYWHIP

I must have missed the time where GW cut a huge number of their new plastic kits.

Because according to the lists that have been thrown out as part of this whole 9th edition rumor, that's what is happening.

WHFB might be getting a revamp, but I'm inclined to believe that it'll be more like the 40K revamp than people think.

Unbound, yeah, 40K got it.
Allies, yeah, 40K got them.
Allies that don't make any sense whatsoever like 'Come the Apocalypse' allies, 40K got them.
Superheroes, superheavies, whatever, 40K got them.
Fortifications, castles, other random crap, 40K got them.

If GW while doing all of the above, actually makes the rules of the game better than what they are now, the game will be far from dead, it'll get resurrected. Players will just decide which of the above they will use in competitive games.

In short, I don't believe the 'WHFB will be small scale' crap at all. Not one bit. If anything I believe the exact opposite and they want it to be even more large scale than before. Huge monsters and huge armies of entire collections of models. WHFB Apocalypse, aka current 40K.