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What would Dakka rank as the best 5 AA ground units?

1: Devastators/Long Fangs.

And that's about it. Taking dedicated AA units is pointless unless you know your opponent is going to have a lot of flyers. It makes far more sense to take units that are also going to be useful for taking out non-flyer targets.

Anything with Flakk, any Battlesuit.

Everything else is a waste of space due to the changes to Skyfire.

 insaniak wrote:
1: Devastators/Long Fangs.

And that's about it. Taking dedicated AA units is pointless unless you know your opponent is going to have a lot of flyers. It makes far more sense to take units that are also going to be useful for taking out non-flyer targets.

I'd tend to agree with that statement.

1. Riptide
2. Quad Gun
3. Riptide
4. Riptide
5. IG Motorcycles

1. Pask Punisher.

Skyray seems like a no brainer missile-sides as well, velocity trackers meaning you can choose whether or not to have skyfire gives you the best of both worlds.

Anything with a good rate of fire, and str 6-8 tend to make far better AA than dedicated platforms. Preferably with twin linked.
Lootas, sicarians, paskisher, dakkafex pop to the top of my head.

The Hydra was good...until the new IG codex came out and seemingly went out of their way to ensure nobody would buy their brand new kit for it.

Quad Gun for being cheap and providing cover saves. Other than that, probably the FW Dreadnought with Skyfire.

 Vaktathi wrote:
The Hydra was good...until the new IG codex came out and seemingly went out of their way to ensure nobody would buy their brand new kit for it.

That's why they made the Wyvern - the same kit makes both Wyverns and Hydras.

 jreilly89 wrote:
Quad Gun for being cheap and providing cover saves. Other than that, probably the FW Dreadnought with Skyfire.

Forgot that one. The Contemptor-Mortis is great.

Skyray
Broadsides with HYMP and Velocity Tracker
Riptide with HBC and Velocity Tracker
Crisis Suits with MP and Velocity Tracker

Anything else . . .

When it comes to AAA the Tau are the masters as their anti-air units still get to be effective against ground targets. They turn Skyfire on and off at will.


For honourable mentions the Hydra for it's range and cover denying capabilities, the Hunter for it's ability to force a flyer from the board and the Stalker for it's ability to engage multiple flyers.

Hydra no longer denies Jink saves :(

How did everyone forget about the A-barge and the wave serpent? They're not dedicated AA, but they'll down aircraft like nobody's business.

 AnomanderRake wrote:

 jreilly89 wrote:
Quad Gun for being cheap and providing cover saves. Other than that, probably the FW Dreadnought with Skyfire.

Forgot that one. The Contemptor-Mortis is great.

My personal favorite choice.

Jefffar wrote:
Skyray
Broadsides with HYMP and Velocity Tracker
Riptide with HBC and Velocity Tracker
Crisis Suits with MP and Velocity Tracker

Anything else . . .

When it comes to AAA the Tau are the masters as their anti-air units still get to be effective against ground targets. They turn Skyfire on and off at will.


For honourable mentions the Hydra for it's range and cover denying capabilities, the Hunter for it's ability to force a flyer from the board and the Stalker for it's ability to engage multiple flyers.

I like and agree with your top 4 and would round it out with a Contemptor Mortis Dread.

insania wrote:Taking dedicated AA units is pointless unless you know your opponent is going to have a lot of flyers. It makes far more sense to take units that are also going to be useful for taking out non-flyer targets.

Yeah.

My favorite AA weapons are those anti-tank guns I'm already bringing in my list. A 1 in 6 chance to hit is not a 0 in 6 chance, and the more fliers my opponent brings, likely the fewer other vehicles I have to shoot at with my anti-tank guns.

I guess my favorite AA gun by this metric would be the autocannons I used to take with my MoK terminator squads. One of the most terrifying, gruesome hand-to-hand fighting units in the game taking down fliers was kind of loltastic. Plus, 4 TL shots were generally good for a hit or two a turn, and given how flimsy most airplane's armor is...

MoK Terminators may well be one of the most ineffective sources of AA I can think of.

Though the mental image of a MoK Terminator heavy army taking on a Necron croissant air force is quite funny...

 Ashiraya wrote:
MoK Terminators may well be one of the most ineffective sources of AA I can think of.

Though the mental image of a MoK Terminator heavy army taking on a Necron croissant air force is quite funny...

There's a number of units without shooting whatsoever. While termies have tl bolters to glance ork flyers to death at least.

Sicaran with battle of sarosh.
(6 tl st 7, skyfire, tank hunting, rending, interceptor, ignore night fighting, ignore jink shots. Thats a dead 3hp av12/13 flyer on average... only one use though).
Contemptor mortis.
Annihilation barge.
Wave serpent.
Skyray.


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Warp spiders are pretty good at it too when guided.

 Vaktathi wrote:
The Hydra was good...until the new IG codex came out and seemingly went out of their way to ensure nobody would buy their brand new kit for it.

The same kit gets you the pre-buffed chimera-costed monster mortar.

MarsNZ wrote:

 Vaktathi wrote:
The Hydra was good...until the new IG codex came out and seemingly went out of their way to ensure nobody would buy their brand new kit for it.

The same kit gets you the pre-buffed chimera-costed monster mortar.

Yeah, but that doesn't help the Hydra at all :(

Well, you can butcher the guns for autocannons

Necro obolisk a auto s8 on all enemy flyer and skimmers in range in both sides shooting phase plus upto 20 s7 teslas(snapping at flyers) and cheap for a lord of war.

anni barge not dedicated but definatly does the job.

Lootas are still good.

anything with midstrength and twin linking.

Re-read the obilisk.

Its does not hit both sides, it "shoots" on both player's turn.

That's actually nifty.

I think it would be more challenging to find five good ground based AA units.

Traktor kannons mainly Becuz they're cheap. Hit on a 4+ with reroll(ammo runt) they auto imobilise aslong you glance or do an aditional imobilise to the pen chart. Also the T7 3+ save.

 MWHistorian wrote:
I think it would be more challenging to find five good ground based AA units.

Tau - broadsides, skyrays.

Necrons - Tesla, barges.

Orks - lootas, traitor kannons.

SM - hunters, stalkers.

SW - long fangs.

There we go, 5 good ground based AA armies.

I have 3 iron hands kheres assault cannon mortis contemptors in a 2 k list. What they lack in range the fear of their firepower keeps flyers out of my no fly zone.