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 Wyzilla wrote:
The movie is indescribably awful, it's rotten down to the very core. The game however was fairly good, although the shear amount of Chaos Space Marines and Nobs you kill in the game is utterly ridiculous and bordering on wankery. You kill enough CSM's and CSM aspiring champions to have wiped out two full Warbands.

I can buy him bagging a Daemon Prince mid-transformation if he's a blank, but murdering tens of nobs and nearly a hundred Chaos Space Marines is just too much.

To be fair, this is nothing compared to the books. It all depends on the power level you associate marines with. But I would've liked the Chaos Marines to be more powerful.

Well! I though it was horrible like the worst! The opening alone "...and the greatest astartes of them all is the ULTRAMARINES!" I thought wow! kinda sad that they had the audacity to say that but I still watched! Then when the crazed Black legion are butchered but fledgling smurfs I thought to myself "This is just the worst." Then it ended.

Thought it was just... the worst!

 zombiekila707 wrote:
Well! I though it was horrible like the worst! The opening alone "...and the greatest astartes of them all is the ULTRAMARINES!" I thought wow! kinda sad that they had the audacity to say that but I still watched! Then when the crazed Black legion are butchered but fledgling smurfs I thought to myself "This is just the worst." Then it ended.

Thought it was just... the worst!

in fairness bragging up the current subject matter is par for the course with 40k. it's also gonna make it seem more awesome to say they're the greatest. and they really are indisputably one of the top chapters out there.
they're the Space Marine Poster boys

BrianDavion wrote:

 zombiekila707 wrote:
Well! I though it was horrible like the worst! The opening alone "...and the greatest astartes of them all is the ULTRAMARINES!" I thought wow! kinda sad that they had the audacity to say that but I still watched! Then when the crazed Black legion are butchered but fledgling smurfs I thought to myself "This is just the worst." Then it ended.

Thought it was just... the worst!

in fairness bragging up the current subject matter is par for the course with 40k. it's also gonna make it seem more awesome to say they're the greatest. and they really are indisputably one of the top chapters out there.
they're the Space Marine Poster boys

I get that them saying the ultramarines are the best really didn't affect me what did is veterans from HH just got killed by stuck up baby smurfs and sure its a movie and bla bla bla but come on! If they fought orks or horde army I would be cool because 30 or 40 boyz should die to that squad.

The film, in all its fluff-defiling horror, is entirely forgettable, but the game is great. I still play it regularly, and even without the 40k stamp it's a good game. Visuals are neat, the mechanics are simple but fun (and allow you to concentrate on hacking up Orks rather than memorising billion-button-combos). The plot was decent enough too, 40k enough to appeal to current fans and generic enough to get others interested.

But best of all, the one thing I will always love that game for, is the sound. On the first level, as soon as I got the Bolter unlocked and let off a few rounds, that was it. Soooo awesome!

So, I just picked up the Space Marine game since it was on sale this weekend. I'm currently about ~4 hours into it. Thus far, aside from the painfully awkward grovelling of the IG characters and the outrageously absurd opening (and that fact that *nobody* wears a helmet, despite enduring several potentially fatal collapses/crashes/etc where a helmet would be *REALLY* important), it's rather well done. Granted, it's largely a paint-by-numbers rail shooter, but for what it is, so far its not bad.

Try the "Ultramarine Movie Drinking Game"!

Every time the Emperor is mentioned, drink!

It's the only way to make that train-wreck bearable.

 Vaktathi wrote:
So, I just picked up the Space Marine game since it was on sale this weekend. I'm currently about ~4 hours into it. Thus far, aside from the painfully awkward grovelling of the IG characters and the outrageously absurd opening (and that fact that *nobody* wears a helmet, despite enduring several potentially fatal collapses/crashes/etc where a helmet would be *REALLY* important), it's rather well done. Granted, it's largely a paint-by-numbers rail shooter, but for what it is, so far its not bad.

Spoiler:

Thus far, I'm *really* liking the way the Daemons are portrayed too, pretty sweet

Have you gotten the Thunder Hammer yet?

Yeah, twas cool with the jump pack (if a bit over the top), but dumped it so I could continue to use the sniper-esque lascannon

 Vaktathi wrote:
Yeah, twas cool with the jump pack (if a bit over the top), but dumped it so I could continue to use the sniper-esque lascannon

You are a terrible Space Marine Captain. You're supposed to just use the Thunder Hammer and Thunder Hammer only to murder everything and everyone that ever lived in history. Because you can.

(There is also an achievement for just using the bolt pistol and melee)

Why did you have to remind me the movie existed? I'd managed to purge it from my memory and everything...

But the game is flipping great. Sure, it get's repetitive and yes it suffers from Main Character Syndrome (but all shooters do, really) but it was a blast to play and my favourite 40k video game to date. It's a shame the multiplayer is dead now, though, I loved it! (I wish I could use my battle-damaged Crimson Fist tactical with Stalker and Stormbolter more often...)

EDIT: Also was I the only one who loved running around as a Dev in the horde mode using a bolt pistol and kicking/stomping orks to death?

The movie was ok for what it was. Perhaps it could've been better if they had stuck with unknown actors rather than hire the likes of John Hurt. Hearing Sean Pertwee cry 'For the Emperor' for the first time was pretty cool though. They could then maybe have spent more cash on the visuals.

The game was a lot better than the film. The online was and is still enjoyable. There still are games going, but only on Seize Ground, which I don't particularly enjoy. It could have been better and when they released the first few trailers for it the game looked particularly awesome. The finished released result came about from the issues THQ were having at the time and I guess we could've had a really great game if they wouldn't have gone the way of the Dodo. I am happy that we have a game of its ilk.

 Wyzilla wrote:
The movie is indescribably awful, it's rotten down to the very core. The game however was fairly good, although the shear amount of Chaos Space Marines and Nobs you kill in the game is utterly ridiculous and bordering on wankery. You kill enough CSM's and CSM aspiring champions to have wiped out two full Warbands.

I can buy him bagging a Daemon Prince mid-transformation if he's a blank, but murdering tens of nobs and nearly a hundred Chaos Space Marines is just too much.

Do you not understand? You are a space marine captain...If a Nob is something you can't handle you will never reach that rank. iirc you never fought more than 3 chaos marines at once and they were also VERY hard to kill. In one of the final battles you have to fight 3 marines along with some cultists and bloodletters I must have had to replay that mission 10 times.

Just watched the chaplain scene from the movie on youtube it was a disgrace to 40k, my brain hurts

in other news the game was highly entertaining and fun imho

 Wyzilla wrote:

 Vaktathi wrote:
Yeah, twas cool with the jump pack (if a bit over the top), but dumped it so I could continue to use the sniper-esque lascannon

You are a terrible Space Marine Captain. You're supposed to just use the Thunder Hammer and Thunder Hammer only to murder everything and everyone that ever lived in history. Because you can.

(There is also an achievement for just using the bolt pistol and melee)

I just finished the game. Overall, not too bad, though the ending scene was...painfully stupid. Good concept, poor execution. Overall though, I didn't mind paying $8 for it

Yeah, the game was actually not half bad. Bar none my favorite character was Nemeroth. He was well voice acted.

I agree that the movei was bad as do many people. the people who hate the game (which I love btw, multiplayer is eh) hat that it is repetitive, just like every hack and slash. its a fun game, it wasn't meant to break the hack and slash genre

 Vaktathi wrote:
So, I just picked up the Space Marine game since it was on sale this weekend. I'm currently about ~4 hours into it. Thus far, aside from the painfully awkward grovelling of the IG characters and the outrageously absurd opening (and that fact that *nobody* wears a helmet, despite enduring several potentially fatal collapses/crashes/etc where a helmet would be *REALLY* important), it's rather well done. Granted, it's largely a paint-by-numbers rail shooter, but for what it is, so far its not bad.

Spoiler:

Thus far, I'm *really* liking the way the Daemons are portrayed too, pretty sweet

the groveling from the IG characters makes sense when you realize the situation they've been in. they've been getting just absolutly DESTROYED (their top ranking officer left was a Lt. that says how badly off they are. the unit has been all but decapitated) the arrival of the space Marines was quite literally the answer to their prayers

To some extent, that's fine, I just felt it was overdone. Also the way they went out of their way to address the Space Marines (even the Sergeant) as "My Lord", even correcting themselves after saying "sir", when only a Chapter Master should rightly be called such (as he is the only person within a Space Marine chapter of Peerage), was weird.

 Vaktathi wrote:
To some extent, that's fine, I just felt it was overdone. Also the way they went out of their way to address the Space Marines (even the Sergeant) as "My Lord", even correcting themselves after saying "sir", when only a Chapter Master should rightly be called such (as he is the only person within a Space Marine chapter of Peerage), was weird.

To be fair, for many Guardsmen, seeing a Space Marine is akin to seeing a demigod. To talk to one would be enormously nerve-wracking and they would likely try their hardest to use the most formal etiquette possible, even if it wasn't necessary.

links to the movie please?

 Darth Bob wrote:

 Vaktathi wrote:
To some extent, that's fine, I just felt it was overdone. Also the way they went out of their way to address the Space Marines (even the Sergeant) as "My Lord", even correcting themselves after saying "sir", when only a Chapter Master should rightly be called such (as he is the only person within a Space Marine chapter of Peerage), was weird.

To be fair, for many Guardsmen, seeing a Space Marine is akin to seeing a demigod. To talk to one would be enormously nerve-wracking and they would likely try their hardest to use the most formal etiquette possible, even if it wasn't necessary.

yeah I doubt they'd take the time to learn the correct ettiquite. and would proably err on the side of "overly generous caution"

 Xenomancers wrote:

 Wyzilla wrote:
The movie is indescribably awful, it's rotten down to the very core. The game however was fairly good, although the shear amount of Chaos Space Marines and Nobs you kill in the game is utterly ridiculous and bordering on wankery. You kill enough CSM's and CSM aspiring champions to have wiped out two full Warbands.

I can buy him bagging a Daemon Prince mid-transformation if he's a blank, but murdering tens of nobs and nearly a hundred Chaos Space Marines is just too much.

Do you not understand? You are a space marine captain...If a Nob is something you can't handle you will never reach that rank. iirc you never fought more than 3 chaos marines at once and they were also VERY hard to kill. In one of the final battles you have to fight 3 marines along with some cultists and bloodletters I must have had to replay that mission 10 times.

Try ten, with around twenty Bloodletters constantly bumrushing you.

Also, single Ork Nobs (especially with 'eavy armor) or Aspiring Champions can easily give Captains a run for their money. If not outright kill them.


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 TheCustomLime wrote:
Yeah, the game was actually not half bad. Bar none my favorite character was Nemeroth. He was well voice acted.

No, the best character was the Warboss. Specifically for that one scene where he butchers a bunch of Bloodletters and tackled a Chaos Terminator Lord off a skyscraper.


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 Sgt_Smudge wrote:

 Wyzilla wrote:
The movie is indescribably awful, it's rotten down to the very core. The game however was fairly good, although the shear amount of Chaos Space Marines and Nobs you kill in the game is utterly ridiculous and bordering on wankery. You kill enough CSM's and CSM aspiring champions to have wiped out two full Warbands.

I can buy him bagging a Daemon Prince mid-transformation if he's a blank, but murdering tens of nobs and nearly a hundred Chaos Space Marines is just too much.

To be fair, this is nothing compared to the books. It all depends on the power level you associate marines with. But I would've liked the Chaos Marines to be more powerful.

...In the books a single squad of Chaos Astartes will equally match a squad of Astartes. And Captains go down to single Champions, and do not single handily wipe out an entire warband and cut down numerous aspiring champions with mother fething daemon mauls like they're nothing.

Try ten, with around twenty Bloodletters constantly bumrushing you.

Also, single Ork Nobs (especially with 'eavy armor) or Aspiring Champions can easily give Captains a run for their money. If not outright kill them.

those Nobs and aspiring champions DO give you a run for your money. they are serious and deadly opponents that can easily kill you.

They certainly were more of a challenge than Nemeroth

I turned on the film with an allowance that it was GW's first production of a film, and I wouldn't judge it too harshly.

I wouldn't have minded if the acting and voiceovers were substandard
Or the animation and effects left a little to be desired
Or even if the plot was a bit lacking

What really destroyed it for me was the lameness with which the space marines -arguaby GW's best science fiction creation, and something which makes the 40k universe so strong -were portrayed. They died like chumps. Apart from a few brief references that they were superhuman, there was very little in the film that demonstrated that. To a newcomer of the universe they would just seem like men in armoured suits. And speaking of which I'm not sure I saw a single round deflected by power armour. It could have been a poster for the awesomeness of marines, and drawn new players into the hobby. Instead we got cheap gak that was about on level with the second starship troopers film.

In my opinion. Phew. Rant over.

 Vaktathi wrote:
They certainly were more of a challenge than Nemeroth

Spoiler:

The real end boss fight was the two Champions with maces in the last wave before you actually fight Nemeroth, Nemeroth himself was an brainless non-fight

*Flashbacks of running in circles while throwing lascannon shots, melta shots, whatever the hell else at them before they kill you*

If your Ultramarines Captain was just herp-derping into melee with a chainsword and facepwning the Nobz (much less the elite black Nobz) or the melee CSM, you had the game on 'Easy'.

I thought the game actually did a pretty good job of playing like the fluff (which is a masturbatory Ultramarine fest about 75% of the time, and watching spud marines die to elite models the other 25%).

By far you had the best ranged arsenal in the game. As long as you were at arm's length, head shots and shoulder rolls could mow down infinite level 1 dudes. The weapons were all characterful and unique and 'felt' and sounded right. Ork heads exploded from bolter shots and the Thunderhammer was LOLOLOL.

If you just ran forward and facehumped an elite Nob with a few Boyz on the hard difficulty, you died. There wasn't a ton of tactical depth, but the game did punish you if you just tried to SWORD!Sword!SWORD! every single thing.

 sourclams wrote:
If your Ultramarines Captain was just herp-derping into melee with a chainsword and facepwning the Nobz (much less the elite black Nobz) or the melee CSM, you had the game on 'Easy'.

I thought the game actually did a pretty good job of playing like the fluff (which is a masturbatory Ultramarine fest about 75% of the time, and watching spud marines die to elite models the other 25%).

By far you had the best ranged arsenal in the game. As long as you were at arm's length, head shots and shoulder rolls could mow down infinite level 1 dudes. The weapons were all characterful and unique and 'felt' and sounded right. Ork heads exploded from bolter shots and the Thunderhammer was LOLOLOL.

If you just ran forward and facehumped an elite Nob with a few Boyz on the hard difficulty, you died. There wasn't a ton of tactical depth, but the game did punish you if you just tried to SWORD!Sword!SWORD! every single thing.

Yep. That was probably my favorite part, is even the Bolters felt "right" and it was semi-tactical.


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 thegreatchimp wrote:
I turned on the film with an allowance that it was GW's first production of a film, and I wouldn't judge it too harshly.

I wouldn't have minded if the acting and voiceovers were substandard
Or the animation and effects left a little to be desired
Or even if the plot was a bit lacking

What really destroyed it for me was the lameness with which the space marines -arguaby GW's best science fiction creation, and something which makes the 40k universe so strong -were portrayed. They died like chumps. Apart from a few brief references that they were superhuman, there was very little in the film that demonstrated that. To a newcomer of the universe they would just seem like men in armoured suits. And speaking of which I'm not sure I saw a single round deflected by power armour. It could have been a poster for the awesomeness of marines, and drawn new players into the hobby. Instead we got cheap gak that was about on level with the second starship troopers film.

In my opinion. Phew. Rant over.

Yeah, that really bothered me. Especially how the two in the Land Speeder essentially got one shotted, even though the bullet wounds were in the armor, not the lenses.

 sourclams wrote:
If your Ultramarines Captain was just herp-derping into melee with a chainsword and facepwning the Nobz (much less the elite black Nobz) or the melee CSM, you had the game on 'Easy'.

I thought the game actually did a pretty good job of playing like the fluff (which is a masturbatory Ultramarine fest about 75% of the time, and watching spud marines die to elite models the other 25%).

By far you had the best ranged arsenal in the game. As long as you were at arm's length, head shots and shoulder rolls could mow down infinite level 1 dudes. The weapons were all characterful and unique and 'felt' and sounded right. Ork heads exploded from bolter shots and the Thunderhammer was LOLOLOL.

If you just ran forward and facehumped an elite Nob with a few Boyz on the hard difficulty, you died. There wasn't a ton of tactical depth, but the game did punish you if you just tried to SWORD!Sword!SWORD! every single thing.

This may just be because I've played a lot of multiplayer (and I love my Dark Souls), but killing Nobz is pretty damn easy on normal, and only becomes a small challenge on Hard. It's incredibly easy when you have your rage meter or a thunder hammer.