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 Lord Blackscale wrote:
I think Angron gets underetimated by a lot of people. First, on the wolf analogy, if you think that when cornered "that wolf will fight harder than any other creature in the world" try cornering a leapord or tiger. Or get between a momma bear and her cub. Second, yes, Sang is a great fighter but Angron only needs one or two hits to finish him off. A chainblade would be mush harder to parry than a conventional blade, or even a power weapon. The very movement of the chain would deflect the parrying blade. And lastly, on the absurdity that Sang would use his wings as a weapon. That would just make them an easy target for Angron's axe. I am also envisoning in X-Men when Wolfsbane ripped Angel's wings off. I could see Angron doing that.

Sangy could indeed use his wings to fight. In addition to flying up to gain high ground, he could also use them yo bat away attacks by thumping the side or back of Angron's axe's, away from the cutting edge to redirect the stroke. He could also buffet Angron with them to distract him. In Fear to Tread

 Deadshot wrote:

 dusara217 wrote:

Amoras wrote:
Angron may seem like he is only Attack attack kill rage! but there is much more to it thenn that.

In his rage he is still amazingly skilled, he forces openings, keeps an eye out for parries etc. Maybe not to the same level as sanguinius but he is hardly fighting like the hulk. Russ ended at his mercy crawling on the floor trying to hold back angron.

Its about 50/50 i'd say.

Alto horus made me believe angron would actualy win, him saying there a good match for himself combined with his thinking of sanguinius beign the greatest of themm all may make him overestimate the angel

He literally has cranial implants that force him to feel nothing but massive, unctorllable, insane amounts of rage. After a couple of decades, attack kill rage is all he is. Originally, he probably did fight with technique and artistry, but rage is his tool now due to the Butcher's Nails. Also, I never said that he wasn't skilled, it's just that rage is what dominates him and thus the skill does not come to the fore, rather his anger does.

Betrayer disagrees, as it shows when fighting against Guilliman he does indeed use skill. Like I said ages ago, its a different form of skill, but it is skill non-the-less. You make him sound like a slavering rabid attack dog. He's not, he's a brutal, aggressive and intelligent fighter. You DO NOT win fights by not having intelligence. You DO NOT succeed as a berserker or soldier if you are dumb. BErserkers use anger to fuel their energy, adrenaline and power. Being a berserker doesn't mean you are a slobbering maniac, it means you use your aggression to fuel your body,while keeping your mind clear, as for most, anger clouds judgement. Berserkers don't let their anger cloud their mind, rather they use it to focus their rage into combat. So if you are trying to argue that Angron is a mindless killing machine, which he isn't, otherwise he'd just kill his own side too, he can't be a berserker.

I'm just going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you have no idea what the Butcher's Nails are. Here's a brief summay: neutral implants that dramatically increase aggression and feelings of hate and rage. As time goes on, the feelings of rage increase exponentially. In normal humans, they gradually erode the brain until the host dies. Angron has had these Butcher's Nails implanted in his skull for more than a century. His Primarch healing capabilities are all that have kept him from turning into an incoherent ravening rage beast that subsequently dies from brain damage. As it is, the Emperor expected Angron to die after a few centuries from the Nails.


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Also, what you just described was Russ.

 dusara217 wrote:

 Deadshot wrote:

 dusara217 wrote:

Amoras wrote:
Angron may seem like he is only Attack attack kill rage! but there is much more to it thenn that.

In his rage he is still amazingly skilled, he forces openings, keeps an eye out for parries etc. Maybe not to the same level as sanguinius but he is hardly fighting like the hulk. Russ ended at his mercy crawling on the floor trying to hold back angron.

Its about 50/50 i'd say.

Alto horus made me believe angron would actualy win, him saying there a good match for himself combined with his thinking of sanguinius beign the greatest of themm all may make him overestimate the angel

He literally has cranial implants that force him to feel nothing but massive, unctorllable, insane amounts of rage. After a couple of decades, attack kill rage is all he is. Originally, he probably did fight with technique and artistry, but rage is his tool now due to the Butcher's Nails. Also, I never said that he wasn't skilled, it's just that rage is what dominates him and thus the skill does not come to the fore, rather his anger does.

Betrayer disagrees, as it shows when fighting against Guilliman he does indeed use skill. Like I said ages ago, its a different form of skill, but it is skill non-the-less. You make him sound like a slavering rabid attack dog. He's not, he's a brutal, aggressive and intelligent fighter. You DO NOT win fights by not having intelligence. You DO NOT succeed as a berserker or soldier if you are dumb. BErserkers use anger to fuel their energy, adrenaline and power. Being a berserker doesn't mean you are a slobbering maniac, it means you use your aggression to fuel your body,while keeping your mind clear, as for most, anger clouds judgement. Berserkers don't let their anger cloud their mind, rather they use it to focus their rage into combat. So if you are trying to argue that Angron is a mindless killing machine, which he isn't, otherwise he'd just kill his own side too, he can't be a berserker.

I'm just going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you have no idea what the Butcher's Nails are. Here's a brief summay: neutral implants that dramatically increase aggression and feelings of hate and rage. As time goes on, the feelings of rage increase exponentially. In normal humans, they gradually erode the brain until the host dies. Angron has had these Butcher's Nails implanted in his skull for more than a century. His Primarch healing capabilities are all that have kept him from turning into an incoherent ravening rage beast that subsequently dies from brain damage. As it is, the Emperor expected Angron to die after a few centuries from the Nails.


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Also, what you just described was Russ.

Yes, you just described what everyone already knew. They make you angry as feth. Doesn't affect your skill in combat, just your anger.

And yes, both Russ and Angron are the same. The difference comes outside of battle, where Angron is constantly angry and aggressive unlike Russ who is rather docile. Angron also has little variance in his tactics. Whereas Russ can deploy in a number of ways, Angron basically only knows how to kill the living feth out of stuff. Crude and simplistic but effective tactics.

 Deadshot wrote:

 dusara217 wrote:

 Deadshot wrote:

 dusara217 wrote:

Amoras wrote:
Angron may seem like he is only Attack attack kill rage! but there is much more to it thenn that.

In his rage he is still amazingly skilled, he forces openings, keeps an eye out for parries etc. Maybe not to the same level as sanguinius but he is hardly fighting like the hulk. Russ ended at his mercy crawling on the floor trying to hold back angron.

Its about 50/50 i'd say.

Alto horus made me believe angron would actualy win, him saying there a good match for himself combined with his thinking of sanguinius beign the greatest of themm all may make him overestimate the angel

He literally has cranial implants that force him to feel nothing but massive, unctorllable, insane amounts of rage. After a couple of decades, attack kill rage is all he is. Originally, he probably did fight with technique and artistry, but rage is his tool now due to the Butcher's Nails. Also, I never said that he wasn't skilled, it's just that rage is what dominates him and thus the skill does not come to the fore, rather his anger does.

Betrayer disagrees, as it shows when fighting against Guilliman he does indeed use skill. Like I said ages ago, its a different form of skill, but it is skill non-the-less. You make him sound like a slavering rabid attack dog. He's not, he's a brutal, aggressive and intelligent fighter. You DO NOT win fights by not having intelligence. You DO NOT succeed as a berserker or soldier if you are dumb. BErserkers use anger to fuel their energy, adrenaline and power. Being a berserker doesn't mean you are a slobbering maniac, it means you use your aggression to fuel your body,while keeping your mind clear, as for most, anger clouds judgement. Berserkers don't let their anger cloud their mind, rather they use it to focus their rage into combat. So if you are trying to argue that Angron is a mindless killing machine, which he isn't, otherwise he'd just kill his own side too, he can't be a berserker.

I'm just going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you have no idea what the Butcher's Nails are. Here's a brief summay: neutral implants that dramatically increase aggression and feelings of hate and rage. As time goes on, the feelings of rage increase exponentially. In normal humans, they gradually erode the brain until the host dies. Angron has had these Butcher's Nails implanted in his skull for more than a century. His Primarch healing capabilities are all that have kept him from turning into an incoherent ravening rage beast that subsequently dies from brain damage. As it is, the Emperor expected Angron to die after a few centuries from the Nails.


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Also, what you just described was Russ.

Yes, you just described what everyone already knew. They make you angry as feth. Doesn't affect your skill in combat, just your anger.

And yes, both Russ and Angron are the same. The difference comes outside of battle, where Angron is constantly angry and aggressive unlike Russ who is rather docile. Angron also has little variance in his tactics. Whereas Russ can deploy in a number of ways, Angron basically only knows how to kill the living feth out of stuff. Crude and simplistic but effective tactics.

Have you ever actually fought when you're angry? It directly affects your judgment and causes you to go balls-to-the-wall attack, you turn into a raging brute. Fighting angry is never a good idea.

 dusara217 wrote:

 Deadshot wrote:

 dusara217 wrote:

 Deadshot wrote:

 dusara217 wrote:

Amoras wrote:
Angron may seem like he is only Attack attack kill rage! but there is much more to it thenn that.

In his rage he is still amazingly skilled, he forces openings, keeps an eye out for parries etc. Maybe not to the same level as sanguinius but he is hardly fighting like the hulk. Russ ended at his mercy crawling on the floor trying to hold back angron.

Its about 50/50 i'd say.

Alto horus made me believe angron would actualy win, him saying there a good match for himself combined with his thinking of sanguinius beign the greatest of themm all may make him overestimate the angel

He literally has cranial implants that force him to feel nothing but massive, unctorllable, insane amounts of rage. After a couple of decades, attack kill rage is all he is. Originally, he probably did fight with technique and artistry, but rage is his tool now due to the Butcher's Nails. Also, I never said that he wasn't skilled, it's just that rage is what dominates him and thus the skill does not come to the fore, rather his anger does.

Betrayer disagrees, as it shows when fighting against Guilliman he does indeed use skill. Like I said ages ago, its a different form of skill, but it is skill non-the-less. You make him sound like a slavering rabid attack dog. He's not, he's a brutal, aggressive and intelligent fighter. You DO NOT win fights by not having intelligence. You DO NOT succeed as a berserker or soldier if you are dumb. BErserkers use anger to fuel their energy, adrenaline and power. Being a berserker doesn't mean you are a slobbering maniac, it means you use your aggression to fuel your body,while keeping your mind clear, as for most, anger clouds judgement. Berserkers don't let their anger cloud their mind, rather they use it to focus their rage into combat. So if you are trying to argue that Angron is a mindless killing machine, which he isn't, otherwise he'd just kill his own side too, he can't be a berserker.

I'm just going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you have no idea what the Butcher's Nails are. Here's a brief summay: neutral implants that dramatically increase aggression and feelings of hate and rage. As time goes on, the feelings of rage increase exponentially. In normal humans, they gradually erode the brain until the host dies. Angron has had these Butcher's Nails implanted in his skull for more than a century. His Primarch healing capabilities are all that have kept him from turning into an incoherent ravening rage beast that subsequently dies from brain damage. As it is, the Emperor expected Angron to die after a few centuries from the Nails.


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Also, what you just described was Russ.

Yes, you just described what everyone already knew. They make you angry as feth. Doesn't affect your skill in combat, just your anger.

And yes, both Russ and Angron are the same. The difference comes outside of battle, where Angron is constantly angry and aggressive unlike Russ who is rather docile. Angron also has little variance in his tactics. Whereas Russ can deploy in a number of ways, Angron basically only knows how to kill the living feth out of stuff. Crude and simplistic but effective tactics.

Have you ever actually fought when you're angry? It directly affects your judgment and causes you to go balls-to-the-wall attack, you turn into a raging brute. Fighting angry is never a good idea.

In this huge post pyramid you might (or might not) find a post where I detail exactly how a berserker fights. They specifically DO NOT allow their anger to cloud their mind and judgement, they se it to provide adrenaline to fuel their bodies and agression to lend power and ferocity to their attacks.

 dusara217 wrote:

He literally has cranial implants that force him to feel nothing but massive, unctorllable, insane amounts of rage. After a couple of decades, attack kill rage is all he is. Originally, he probably did fight with technique and artistry, but rage is his tool now due to the Butcher's Nails.

Can you give some quotes on Angron going stupid uncontrollable angry meat loosing all skill and tactix or you're just making things up?

 koooaei wrote:

 dusara217 wrote:

He literally has cranial implants that force him to feel nothing but massive, unctorllable, insane amounts of rage. After a couple of decades, attack kill rage is all he is. Originally, he probably did fight with technique and artistry, but rage is his tool now due to the Butcher's Nails.

Can you give some quotes on Angron going stupid uncontrollable angry meat loosing all skill and tactix or you're just making things up?

First two things that come to mind is Angron going bat-shat crazy when Girlyman steps on a skull and when he has an entire castle wall dropped on his ass and busts out with his ANGREHNESS and slaughters the survivors of the Auretian Technocracy due to RAGE. I'll go quote-hunting, give me a few minutes/hours.


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‘Blood for Horus!’ shouted Angron and leapt from the breach. The primarch landed with a thunderous impact that split the stone beneath him, his chain-glaive sweeping out and cleaving the entire front rank of Brotherhood warriors to bloody rain. Ephraim Guardia died in the first seconds of Angron’s attack, his body cloven through the chest with a single blow. Angron howled in battle lust as he hacked his way through the Brotherhood with great, disembowelling sweeps of his monstrous, roaring weapon. The madness of his slaughter was terrifying, but the warriors of the Brotherhood were not about to die without a fight.

Right there you have Angron getting pissed and attacking the remnants of the Auretian Technocracy's fighting force, despite the Sons of Horus already accepting their surrender and them being almost completely docile and waiting to be imprisoned. Which is not something that anybody would do unless utterly consumed by ANGREHNISS. This from False Gods, Page 329.

I just read like fifty other threads on the subject and I'm gonna revise my position to 50/50. They both have insane, completely unrealistic buffs that would assist them in combat. For instance, Sanguinius has wings, Angron has RAGE. Sanguinius has a level head and centuries of assault marine experience, Angron has ANGREH MAHRINE TACTICAL EXPERIENCE. Sanguinius has the Magic Laser Spear, Angron has FUREH. Sanguinius has what might be called "artistry", while Angron has RAGE. Both have vast amounts of training and undoubtedly excellent technique. The list could go on, but my point is that I'm not going to uphold a position in an argument that I no longer believe.

I don't think playing tag with your buddies, or boxing in your underwear versus a punching bag, qualifies as experience and know how of how a death match would work out. I remember an older US Army SNCO saying that a good plan without violence of action is nowhere nearly as effective as a poor plan with violence of action. Angron always brings the heat/pain/A game when it comes to fighting. Angron , while apparently being a mindless killing machine, survived the Horus Heresy. Sanguinius would end up picking a fight with Horus on roids, and arguably sold his life for no reason ( I remember reading about how he made a chip/dent in Horus's armor but that might have changed).

People really need to quit comparing Angron to a bloodthirster.. Sure you can bat away a whip, barbed or not, but batting away an axe swung with the force of a truck is another story. So Sang has killed demons, big whoop. So have random space marines. Fighting another primarch is a different animal all together. If you think Angron's blows can be ignored than you are not only off your rocker, you are on a totaly different chair. One made of tears and regret.

 Lord Blackscale wrote:
People really need to quit comparing Angron to a bloodthirster.. Sure you can bat away a whip, barbed or not, but batting away an axe swung with the force of a truck is another story. So Sang has killed demons, big whoop. So have random space marines. Fighting another primarch is a different animal all together. If you think Angron's blows can be ignored than you are not only off your rocker, you are on a totaly different chair. One made of tears and regret.

When I mentioned what Sanguinius did to Ka'Bandha I wasn't actually comparing Angron to a Bloodthirster, I was just using it to illustrate that Sanguinius isn't weak. Sanguinius is always spoken of as a very fast and skilled fighter, but I think too many people automatically assume that this means he isn't very strong.

My real viewpoint on this is that it will be a closer than I think most people assume. At least two primarchs think Sanguinius is a match for Angron, and one of the latest ebooks from Black Library hints that Sanguinius is more than a match for someone like the Lion.

 Lord Blackscale wrote:
People really need to quit comparing Angron to a bloodthirster.. Sure you can bat away a whip, barbed or not, but batting away an axe swung with the force of a truck is another story. So Sang has killed demons, big whoop. So have random space marines. Fighting another primarch is a different animal all together. If you think Angron's blows can be ignored than you are not only off your rocker, you are on a totaly different chair. One made of tears and regret.

Ignored? No. Turned aside? Anyone's attacks can be turned aside. Imagine the axe flying at Sanguinius. Angron is leaning forward into the attack to lend power to the attack and give him momentum to follow through. Sanguinius sweeps his wing into the flat of the weapon, redirecting the force slightly sidewards and missing his chest, whilst stabbing with his sword at Angron or parrying the second strike from Gorechild. He could also beat them into Angron's face to blijd and distract him.

Ave Dominus Nox wrote:
I don't think playing tag with your buddies, or boxing in your underwear versus a punching bag, qualifies as experience and know how of how a death match would work out. I remember an older US Army SNCO saying that a good plan without violence of action is nowhere nearly as effective as a poor plan with violence of action. Angron always brings the heat/pain/A game when it comes to fighting. Angron , while apparently being a mindless killing machine, survived the Horus Heresy. Sanguinius would end up picking a fight with Horus on roids, and arguably sold his life for no reason ( I remember reading about how he made a chip/dent in Horus's armor but that might have changed).

I've been practicing APSK Mixed Martial Arts for eight years. That means American (boxing, kickboxing), Polynesian (Hawaiian, really good improvisation on the batlefield), and Shaolin Kenpo. I've already explained Shaolin Kenpo. I've also practiced Modern Arnis for four years, though I regret that I have not been practicing it recently. I've also practiced traditional Chinese Kempo, which is a little different from the Shaolin stuff that I learned, for three years. Anyways, my point is that I know the way a fight goes down, and playing with swords is fun - especially Katanas, though Chinese Broadsword has some pretty cool Katas.

Sanguinius died because he had the bud luck to run into Chaos-juice Horus while on the Vengeful Spirit. If Dorne had run into the bastard, then Sanguinius would have been the one to survive and the Fists would be the ones who lost a Primarch.

I'm going to avoid the personal pissing contest going on around here and just state once again, if Sang uses his wings in combat Angron would then target those wings.

 Lord Blackscale wrote:
I'm going to avoid the personal pissing contest going on around here and just state once again, if Sang uses his wings in combat Angron would then target those wings.

And what if Sanguinius waves a carrot hanging from a stick at Angron?

 Orblivion wrote:

 Lord Blackscale wrote:
I'm going to avoid the personal pissing contest going on around here and just state once again, if Sang uses his wings in combat Angron would then target those wings.

And what if Sanguinius waves a carrot hanging from a stick at Angron?

OK, that made me laugh.

 dusara217 wrote:

Ave Dominus Nox wrote:
I don't think playing tag with your buddies, or boxing in your underwear versus a punching bag, qualifies as experience and know how of how a death match would work out. I remember an older US Army SNCO saying that a good plan without violence of action is nowhere nearly as effective as a poor plan with violence of action. Angron always brings the heat/pain/A game when it comes to fighting. Angron , while apparently being a mindless killing machine, survived the Horus Heresy. Sanguinius would end up picking a fight with Horus on roids, and arguably sold his life for no reason ( I remember reading about how he made a chip/dent in Horus's armor but that might have changed).

I've been practicing APSK Mixed Martial Arts for eight years. That means American (boxing, kickboxing), Polynesian (Hawaiian, really good improvisation on the batlefield), and Shaolin Kenpo. I've already explained Shaolin Kenpo. I've also practiced Modern Arnis for four years, though I regret that I have not been practicing it recently. I've also practiced traditional Chinese Kempo, which is a little different from the Shaolin stuff that I learned, for three years. Anyways, my point is that I know the way a fight goes down, and playing with swords is fun - especially Katanas, though Chinese Broadsword has some pretty cool Katas.

Sanguinius died because he had the bud luck to run into Chaos-juice Horus while on the Vengeful Spirit. If Dorne had run into the bastard, then Sanguinius would have been the one to survive and the Fists would be the ones who lost a Primarch.

Those martial arts (with the exception of boxing/kickboxing solely by itself or in conjunction with eachother) are not used by any notable militaries (those who are actively getting stuff done). I have also noticed that none of those styles are currently being used by any UFC champions. I have no doubt that you possess knowledge of these styles, as they seem very niche. Those styles don't really work anymore as combat has evolved and combat sports uses a lot the same styles/disciplines. It isn't my intention to insult you, I am sure you're well suited to duke It out with your buddies. Pm me if you'd like to explain why my point of view is wrong. When they go into the confrontation between Horus and Sanguinius more I'll be eager to learn what happened. Sanguinius should have retreated/escaped/deferred, anything except die pointlessly. I bet Primarchs aren't accustomed to failure, so maybe Sanguinius actually thought he could win.

Sorry everybody, I'm done.

Ave Dominus Nox wrote:

 dusara217 wrote:

Ave Dominus Nox wrote:
I don't think playing tag with your buddies, or boxing in your underwear versus a punching bag, qualifies as experience and know how of how a death match would work out. I remember an older US Army SNCO saying that a good plan without violence of action is nowhere nearly as effective as a poor plan with violence of action. Angron always brings the heat/pain/A game when it comes to fighting. Angron , while apparently being a mindless killing machine, survived the Horus Heresy. Sanguinius would end up picking a fight with Horus on roids, and arguably sold his life for no reason ( I remember reading about how he made a chip/dent in Horus's armor but that might have changed).

I've been practicing APSK Mixed Martial Arts for eight years. That means American (boxing, kickboxing), Polynesian (Hawaiian, really good improvisation on the batlefield), and Shaolin Kenpo. I've already explained Shaolin Kenpo. I've also practiced Modern Arnis for four years, though I regret that I have not been practicing it recently. I've also practiced traditional Chinese Kempo, which is a little different from the Shaolin stuff that I learned, for three years. Anyways, my point is that I know the way a fight goes down, and playing with swords is fun - especially Katanas, though Chinese Broadsword has some pretty cool Katas.

Sanguinius died because he had the bud luck to run into Chaos-juice Horus while on the Vengeful Spirit. If Dorne had run into the bastard, then Sanguinius would have been the one to survive and the Fists would be the ones who lost a Primarch.

Those martial arts (with the exception of boxing/kickboxing solely by itself or in conjunction with eachother) are not used by any notable militaries (those who are actively getting stuff done). I have also noticed that none of those styles are currently being used by any UFC champions. I have no doubt that you possess knowledge of these styles, as they seem very niche. Those styles don't really work anymore as combat has evolved and combat sports uses a lot the same styles/disciplines. It isn't my intention to insult you, I am sure you're well suited to duke It out with your buddies. Pm me if you'd like to explain why my point of view is wrong. When they go into the confrontation between Horus and Sanguinius more I'll be eager to learn what happened. Sanguinius should have retreated/escaped/deferred, anything except die pointlessly. I bet Primarchs aren't accustomed to failure, so maybe Sanguinius actually thought he could win.

Sorry everybody, I'm done.

It's pretty well established that Sanguinius knew he was going to die because of his psychic gift, but he chose to fight Horus anyways. Whatever vision gave him the knowledge of his death must have shown him that his death was necessary, otherwise he wouldn't have done it.

I'm certainley not hating on Sang. I believe he gave his life to give them Emperor time to get to Horus. But in the end, I still vote Angron. But really I vote Curze, because Night Lords. And reasons.

Angron is a beast of a warrior, but I can't see him defeating Sanguinius. Sanguinius is the most skilled and strongest melee fighter out of all the primarchs. Pitting Angron against Sanguinius is like pitting a tiger against a seasoned knight. Angron is brutal, but Sanguinius is one of few primarchs that fights with a passionate fury. Anger is a good motivator, but I think if given the correct encouragement, Sanguinius will simply want to win more than Angron ever would. I think Angron would have him trumped in weight, strength, and relentlessness, but Sanguinius will be the more skilled and experienced fighter out of the two. He will be faster, he will be more accurate, he will deal more blows, and Angron would be the first to tire. I'm sure it would be a struggle, but the more ferocious fighter will win. Angrons got that rage, but thats not the same as ferociousness. Sanguinius will be the more ferocious out of the two.

 Orblivion wrote:

 Lord Blackscale wrote:
I'm going to avoid the personal pissing contest going on around here and just state once again, if Sang uses his wings in combat Angron would then target those wings.

And what if Sanguinius waves a carrot hanging from a stick at Angron?

Exalted

More like a seasoned knight against a armored cybernetic tiger with anger issues. I will wait for HH stats for Sang and make my mind up.

 Lord Blackscale wrote:
More like a seasoned knight against a armored cybernetic tiger with anger issues. I will wait for HH stats for Sang and make my mind up.

The game stats are a poor indication of who would win in a fluff scenario. Until/unless we see them fight, it will remain up to our own opinions based on the fluff we have available.

 Orblivion wrote:

 Lord Blackscale wrote:
More like a seasoned knight against a armored cybernetic tiger with anger issues. I will wait for HH stats for Sang and make my mind up.

The game stats are a poor indication of who would win in a fluff scenario. Until/unless we see them fight, it will remain up to our own opinions based on the fluff we have available.

Fluff is an even worse indication.

For example, if you read SM fluff, they're super resilient and clever tacticians that win 1 vs 1000 fights due to being so awesome. When you read xeno books, marines are like mindless screaming horde with chainsaws falling blindly into your cunning traps and dying in droves.

If you like blood angels, you read fluff about how awesome they are and how cool and undefeatable Sang is. If you like word bearers, you read fluff about how brutal and awesome they are and how fierce and undefeated Angron is.

It's just that BA have more fans than WE.

In one of the books. I think, "False Gods", didnt Horus says Angron was far and away the best close combat fighter. He said he and Sanguinius stood the best chance though.
And Russ lost the fight Angron so he is out of the discussion in my opinion.

Serg Rush wrote:
In one of the books. I think, "False Gods", didnt Horus says Angron was far and away the best close combat fighter. He said he and Sanguinius stood the best chance though.
And Russ lost the fight Angron so he is out of the discussion in my opinion.

Corax mentions that he thinks only Horus and Sanguinius have a chance of beating Angron. But then in one of the more recent HH novels, Horus mentions that he wants Angron around because he's the only one who has a chance to beat Sanguinius. So obviously the two are, at least in the eyes of their fellow primarchs, closely matched.

 koooaei wrote:

It's just that BA have more fans than WE.

This, I believe is the root of the problem. No way Angron was gonna win this poll.

I don't like Blood Angels, they're too vampire-y. Plus too much people play them because they like CC, or because they're easily exploitable.

 koooaei wrote:

 dusara217 wrote:

He literally has cranial implants that force him to feel nothing but massive, unctorllable, insane amounts of rage. After a couple of decades, attack kill rage is all he is. Originally, he probably did fight with technique and artistry, but rage is his tool now due to the Butcher's Nails.

Can you give some quotes on Angron going stupid uncontrollable angry meat loosing all skill and tactix or you're just making things up?

I do not have an exact quote, but he did walk into an obvious trap and had a building dropped on him. He would have dug to the center of the planet and burned up if his Libraians did not sacrifice their lifes to turn him around. Also when the World eaters fought the Space Wolves, at which at the end of the fight him and his sons did not even recognize that the had lost.


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 LumenPraebeo wrote:
I don't like Blood Angels, they're too vampire-y. Plus too much people play them because they like CC, or because they're easily exploitable.

Waaa all because the drink blood, wear fancy armor, are vain, ohhhh I see it now.

 LumenPraebeo wrote:
I don't like Blood Angels, they're too vampire-y. Plus too much people play them because they like CC, or because they're easily exploitable.

Blood Angels have two dominant features: VAHMPAHRS IN SPEHSS and the underlying Angelicness about them. They are also meant to be the humble versions of the Emperor's Children.


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Personally, I've always like how humble and angelic they are, and I prefer to keep the Vampire associations away from them in my mind

 Mojo1jojo wrote:

 koooaei wrote:

 dusara217 wrote:

He literally has cranial implants that force him to feel nothing but massive, unctorllable, insane amounts of rage. After a couple of decades, attack kill rage is all he is. Originally, he probably did fight with technique and artistry, but rage is his tool now due to the Butcher's Nails.

Can you give some quotes on Angron going stupid uncontrollable angry meat loosing all skill and tactix or you're just making things up?

I do not have an exact quote, but he did walk into an obvious trap and had a building dropped on him. He would have dug to the center of the planet and burned up if his Libraians did not sacrifice their lifes to turn him around. Also when the World eaters fought the Space Wolves, at which at the end of the fight him and his sons did not even recognize that the had lost.


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 LumenPraebeo wrote:
I don't like Blood Angels, they're too vampire-y. Plus too much people play them because they like CC, or because they're easily exploitable.

Waaa all because the drink blood, wear fancy armor, are vain, ohhhh I see it now.

Oh, so he fell for a trap? Obviously every leader of every squad must be an idiot blinded by rage then, because that happens in practically every story. Have you had a builiding dropped on you? I'm sure its pretty disorientatating, and you wouldn't really be sure up or down under all that.

It was a matter of perspective, utterly down to PoV. Both of them realised that defeating the other side's Primarch would win the battle. Russ did it by surrounding him and thinking Angron wouldn't attack if under threat of certain death by mass bolter fire. Angron made it very clear he didn't give a feth whether they shot him or not, because his spirit had died long ago with his Spartacus-esque rebellion. Both had the potential to kill the other there and then. All they had to do was swing an axe and open fire and both would be dead. Except Russ would be dead and have lost. Angron would be dead and won.