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Damn straight! You can have my fajitas when you pry then from my cold dead fingers.

Anyway, my first thought when I saw the girl's picture was "the hair looks nice." My second thought was "damn, how long did all those braids take?!"

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Ah tumblr (cause that's where it always starts, tumblr!) They just ruin everything (feminism, gender discussions...) they're like Candiru, brutally maiming the idea they rely on for survival (the idea is the hypothetical junk)...
They put ideas in your head, sometimes it almost passes for good. Like growing up I just always assumed I was an effeminate weirdo, tried some of their mindless labels, felt dumber and am back to the first thing.

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 LordofHats wrote:
Well there go my plans for some slick sick dreads.

http://media.tumblr.com/5c5b0ebc73749a842ddb4284d705abcd/tumblr_inline_mfulvlTDXi1rc70ib.jpg

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 HiveFleetPlastic wrote:

Racism isn't a two-way thing. I mean, people of colour can hate white people and say mean things about white people, sure, but it's not equal because the levels of institutional power behind them are different. For example, white people in the US have vastly more economic power than any other racial group. If a black person is prejudiced against white people, they're at a massive economic disadvantage, whereas a white person prejudiced against black people is not. That's one example, but you can imagine it in terms of culture or whatever if you want, too. If you want to avoid "black culture" in the US then you'll find that a lot easier and less restrictive than avoiding "white culture."

That's why a lot of people avoid using the term "racism" to refer to prejudice against the privileged group - it doesn't have the same impact and it does a disservice to equate the two.


So what you are saying is that racism is only a bad thing if its done by whites? Any other skin colour and you can be racist all you wan't?
   
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PhantomViper wrote:
 HiveFleetPlastic wrote:

Racism isn't a two-way thing. I mean, people of colour can hate white people and say mean things about white people, sure, but it's not equal because the levels of institutional power behind them are different. For example, white people in the US have vastly more economic power than any other racial group. If a black person is prejudiced against white people, they're at a massive economic disadvantage, whereas a white person prejudiced against black people is not. That's one example, but you can imagine it in terms of culture or whatever if you want, too. If you want to avoid "black culture" in the US then you'll find that a lot easier and less restrictive than avoiding "white culture."

That's why a lot of people avoid using the term "racism" to refer to prejudice against the privileged group - it doesn't have the same impact and it does a disservice to equate the two.


So what you are saying is that racism is only a bad thing if its done by whites? Any other skin colour and you can be racist all you wan't?


That's what our culture would have you believe, yep.

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 HiveFleetPlastic wrote:
 MWHistorian wrote:
 Ouze wrote:
 Ahtman wrote:
It would seem this is a situation where both the people responding to the picture are overreacting and the people in this thread are also overreacting. Good work.


I came to see straight white christian men yearning to throw off the shackles of oppression, I'm leaving satisfied.

Aren't you enlightened? I guess intolerance is actually a good thing, as long as its against white people. Two wrongs DO make a right.

(On a serious note, I hate racism and bigotry no matter where I find it. I also happen to hate it when its disguised as self righteous justice against perceived wrongs.)

Racism isn't a two-way thing. I mean, people of colour can hate white people and say mean things about white people, sure, but it's not equal because the levels of institutional power behind them are different. For example, white people in the US have vastly more economic power than any other racial group. If a black person is prejudiced against white people, they're at a massive economic disadvantage, whereas a white person prejudiced against black people is not. That's one example, but you can imagine it in terms of culture or whatever if you want, too. If you want to avoid "black culture" in the US then you'll find that a lot easier and less restrictive than avoiding "white culture."

That's why a lot of people avoid using the term "racism" to refer to prejudice against the privileged group - it doesn't have the same impact and it does a disservice to equate the two.


That's a load of crap.

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 Platuan4th wrote:
PhantomViper wrote:
 HiveFleetPlastic wrote:

Racism isn't a two-way thing. I mean, people of colour can hate white people and say mean things about white people, sure, but it's not equal because the levels of institutional power behind them are different. For example, white people in the US have vastly more economic power than any other racial group. If a black person is prejudiced against white people, they're at a massive economic disadvantage, whereas a white person prejudiced against black people is not. That's one example, but you can imagine it in terms of culture or whatever if you want, too. If you want to avoid "black culture" in the US then you'll find that a lot easier and less restrictive than avoiding "white culture."

That's why a lot of people avoid using the term "racism" to refer to prejudice against the privileged group - it doesn't have the same impact and it does a disservice to equate the two.


So what you are saying is that racism is only a bad thing if its done by whites? Any other skin colour and you can be racist all you wan't?


That's what our culture would have you believe, yep.


He's gonna tell us to check our privilege isn't he?

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PhantomViper wrote:
So what you are saying is that racism is only a bad thing if its done by whites? Any other skin colour and you can be racist all you wan't?

I got more a vibe of “Racism is really a problem when it is done by the dominant group”. As in, in Japan, racism from Japaneses against Koreans is a real problem, but the other way, Koreans living in Japan hating on the Japanese, is not racism or something like this.

"Our fantasy settings are grim and dark, but that is not a reflection of who we are or how we feel the real world should be. [...] We will continue to diversify the cast of characters we portray [...] so everyone can find representation and heroes they can relate to. [...] If [you don't feel the same way], you will not be missed"
https://twitter.com/WarComTeam/status/1268665798467432449/photo/1 
   
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 Rainbow Dash wrote:
 Platuan4th wrote:
PhantomViper wrote:
 HiveFleetPlastic wrote:

Racism isn't a two-way thing. I mean, people of colour can hate white people and say mean things about white people, sure, but it's not equal because the levels of institutional power behind them are different. For example, white people in the US have vastly more economic power than any other racial group. If a black person is prejudiced against white people, they're at a massive economic disadvantage, whereas a white person prejudiced against black people is not. That's one example, but you can imagine it in terms of culture or whatever if you want, too. If you want to avoid "black culture" in the US then you'll find that a lot easier and less restrictive than avoiding "white culture."

That's why a lot of people avoid using the term "racism" to refer to prejudice against the privileged group - it doesn't have the same impact and it does a disservice to equate the two.


So what you are saying is that racism is only a bad thing if its done by whites? Any other skin colour and you can be racist all you wan't?


That's what our culture would have you believe, yep.


He's gonna tell us to check our privilege isn't he?


Nah, he's gonna tell us to take our privilege and burn it.

But that's ok, I only get half privilege.

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 Rainbow Dash wrote:
He's gonna tell us to check our privilege isn't he?

She. Try to listen to her first, and then disagree with her if you are still unconvinced .

"Our fantasy settings are grim and dark, but that is not a reflection of who we are or how we feel the real world should be. [...] We will continue to diversify the cast of characters we portray [...] so everyone can find representation and heroes they can relate to. [...] If [you don't feel the same way], you will not be missed"
https://twitter.com/WarComTeam/status/1268665798467432449/photo/1 
   
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 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
PhantomViper wrote:
So what you are saying is that racism is only a bad thing if its done by whites? Any other skin colour and you can be racist all you wan't?

I got more a vibe of “Racism is really a problem when it is done by the dominant group”. As in, in Japan, racism from Japaneses against Koreans is a real problem, but the other way, Koreans living in Japan hating on the Japanese, is not racism or something like this.


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 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
 Rainbow Dash wrote:
He's gonna tell us to check our privilege isn't he?

She. Try to listen to her first, and then disagree with her if you are still unconvinced .

I did. It's still crap.
(edit)
And here's why.
If the world's going to become a better place and racism comes to an end, it can't be excused because one side feels justified in their hatred somehow. All racists feel justified. The point is to end racism, not "okay it" for some, but not for others.

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 HiveFleetPlastic wrote:
 MWHistorian wrote:
 Ouze wrote:
 Ahtman wrote:
It would seem this is a situation where both the people responding to the picture are overreacting and the people in this thread are also overreacting. Good work.


I came to see straight white christian men yearning to throw off the shackles of oppression, I'm leaving satisfied.

Aren't you enlightened? I guess intolerance is actually a good thing, as long as its against white people. Two wrongs DO make a right.

(On a serious note, I hate racism and bigotry no matter where I find it. I also happen to hate it when its disguised as self righteous justice against perceived wrongs.)

Racism isn't a two-way thing. I mean, people of colour can hate white people and say mean things about white people, sure, but it's not equal because the levels of institutional power behind them are different. For example, white people in the US have vastly more economic power than any other racial group. If a black person is prejudiced against white people, they're at a massive economic disadvantage, whereas a white person prejudiced against black people is not. That's one example, but you can imagine it in terms of culture or whatever if you want, too. If you want to avoid "black culture" in the US then you'll find that a lot easier and less restrictive than avoiding "white culture."

That's why a lot of people avoid using the term "racism" to refer to prejudice against the privileged group - it doesn't have the same impact and it does a disservice to equate the two.


Horse gak. Racism is racism, regardless of what group its directed at, and in all cases is equally vile. If you want to get rid of racism as a whole you go after it in all forms, you pussy-foot around because a particular version of it happens to be aimed at "the man."

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 MWHistorian wrote:
 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
 Rainbow Dash wrote:
He's gonna tell us to check our privilege isn't he?

She. Try to listen to her first, and then disagree with her if you are still unconvinced .

I did. It's still crap.
(edit)
And here's why.
If the world's going to become a better place and racism comes to an end, it can't be excused because one side feels justified in their hatred somehow. All racists feel justified. The point is to end racism, not "okay it" for some, but not for others.

Well, drawing false equivalences muddies the issue. There are more in your post, here.

The fact is, white racism does more damage than prejudice against white people does because it's backed up by institutional power. White people have a ton more money, influence and cultural capital in the US, and in Australia, and presumably in most or all of the west. I'm white and I have a lot of trouble worrying that some people would find me putting my hair in box braids objectionable, in particular because my culture already says that how my hair looks naturally is great. This is part of how racism works - I'm already bombarded with images of people who look like me held up as ideals of how people should look. Meanwhile people of colour are growing up with that same ideal shoved in their faces all the time and feel bad for not being able to conform to it.

As a white person, people like me have most of the power in my society. Of course I'm not hurt as much by a marginalised person being prejudiced against me as they would be hurt by me being racist against them.

P.S. hi Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl!

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 HiveFleetPlastic wrote:
 MWHistorian wrote:
 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
 Rainbow Dash wrote:
He's gonna tell us to check our privilege isn't he?

She. Try to listen to her first, and then disagree with her if you are still unconvinced .

I did. It's still crap.
(edit)
And here's why.
If the world's going to become a better place and racism comes to an end, it can't be excused because one side feels justified in their hatred somehow. All racists feel justified. The point is to end racism, not "okay it" for some, but not for others.

Well, drawing false equivalences muddies the issue. There are more in your post, here.

The fact is, white racism does more damage than prejudice against white people does because it's backed up by institutional power. White people have a ton more money, influence and cultural capital in the US, and in Australia, and presumably in most or all of the west. I'm white and I have a lot of trouble worrying that some people would find me putting my hair in box braids objectionable, in particular because my culture already says that how my hair looks naturally is great. This is part of how racism works - I'm already bombarded with images of people who look like me held up as ideals of how people should look. Meanwhile people of colour are growing up with that same ideal shoved in their faces all the time and feel bad for not being able to conform to it.

As a white person, people like me have most of the power in my society. Of course I'm not hurt as much by a marginalised person being prejudiced against me as they would be hurt by me being racist against them.

P.S. hi Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl!

So, a little racism is alright?
No. Wrong is wrong. People shouldn't be judged by the color of their skin. (It think Martin Luther King jr. said something about that.) If you go around worrying how you might offend some random stranger, you're probably living your life wrong. There's no constitutional protection against being offended. If you're doing something worthwhile, you're going to offend someone. Just be true to yourself, do what you think is right and don't worry about what some stranger says. Otherwise it'll be like living in a cage. That's what I love about America (and I've lived several other places) is that we're free to do as we please as long as it doesn't interfere on someone else's rights. If some one is offended because I wear something they think I shouldn't, too bad for them.

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 HiveFleetPlastic wrote:
 MWHistorian wrote:
 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
 Rainbow Dash wrote:
He's gonna tell us to check our privilege isn't he?

She. Try to listen to her first, and then disagree with her if you are still unconvinced .

I did. It's still crap.
(edit)
And here's why.
If the world's going to become a better place and racism comes to an end, it can't be excused because one side feels justified in their hatred somehow. All racists feel justified. The point is to end racism, not "okay it" for some, but not for others.

Well, drawing false equivalences muddies the issue. There are more in your post, here.

The fact is, white racism does more damage than prejudice against white people does because it's backed up by institutional power. White people have a ton more money, influence and cultural capital in the US, and in Australia, and presumably in most or all of the west. I'm white and I have a lot of trouble worrying that some people would find me putting my hair in box braids objectionable, in particular because my culture already says that how my hair looks naturally is great. This is part of how racism works - I'm already bombarded with images of people who look like me held up as ideals of how people should look. Meanwhile people of colour are growing up with that same ideal shoved in their faces all the time and feel bad for not being able to conform to it.

As a white person, people like me have most of the power in my society. Of course I'm not hurt as much by a marginalised person being prejudiced against me as they would be hurt by me being racist against them.

P.S. hi Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl!


so tldr...check our privilege?


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 MWHistorian wrote:
 HiveFleetPlastic wrote:
 MWHistorian wrote:
 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
 Rainbow Dash wrote:
He's gonna tell us to check our privilege isn't he?

She. Try to listen to her first, and then disagree with her if you are still unconvinced .

I did. It's still crap.
(edit)
And here's why.
If the world's going to become a better place and racism comes to an end, it can't be excused because one side feels justified in their hatred somehow. All racists feel justified. The point is to end racism, not "okay it" for some, but not for others.

Well, drawing false equivalences muddies the issue. There are more in your post, here.

The fact is, white racism does more damage than prejudice against white people does because it's backed up by institutional power. White people have a ton more money, influence and cultural capital in the US, and in Australia, and presumably in most or all of the west. I'm white and I have a lot of trouble worrying that some people would find me putting my hair in box braids objectionable, in particular because my culture already says that how my hair looks naturally is great. This is part of how racism works - I'm already bombarded with images of people who look like me held up as ideals of how people should look. Meanwhile people of colour are growing up with that same ideal shoved in their faces all the time and feel bad for not being able to conform to it.

As a white person, people like me have most of the power in my society. Of course I'm not hurt as much by a marginalised person being prejudiced against me as they would be hurt by me being racist against them.

P.S. hi Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl!

So, a little racism is alright?
No. Wrong is wrong. People shouldn't be judged by the color of their skin. (It think Martin Luther King jr. said something about that.) If you go around worrying how you might offend some random stranger, you're probably living your life wrong. There's no constitutional protection against being offended. If you're doing something worthwhile, you're going to offend someone. Just be true to yourself, do what you think is right and don't worry about what some stranger says. Otherwise it'll be like living in a cage. That's what I love about America (and I've lived several other places) is that we're free to do as we please as long as it doesn't interfere on someone else's rights. If some one is offended because I wear something they think I shouldn't, too bad for them.


Yeah there are people out there who'd get offended if I kissed another man in public but... what, am I supposed to just live my life how others tell me to? Where does it end, where does their influence end?

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As a white person, people like me have most of the power in my society. Of course I'm not hurt as much by a marginalised person being prejudiced against me as they would be hurt by me being racist against them.

P.S. hi Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl!


No rich people have most of the power in your society. They may or may not have the same skin color as you, but your as worthless to them as tits on a cow.

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 HiveFleetPlastic wrote:
 MWHistorian wrote:
 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
 Rainbow Dash wrote:
He's gonna tell us to check our privilege isn't he?

She. Try to listen to her first, and then disagree with her if you are still unconvinced .

I did. It's still crap.
(edit)
And here's why.
If the world's going to become a better place and racism comes to an end, it can't be excused because one side feels justified in their hatred somehow. All racists feel justified. The point is to end racism, not "okay it" for some, but not for others.

Well, drawing false equivalences muddies the issue. There are more in your post, here.

The fact is, white racism does more damage than prejudice against white people does because it's backed up by institutional power. White people have a ton more money, influence and cultural capital in the US, and in Australia, and presumably in most or all of the west. I'm white and I have a lot of trouble worrying that some people would find me putting my hair in box braids objectionable, in particular because my culture already says that how my hair looks naturally is great. This is part of how racism works - I'm already bombarded with images of people who look like me held up as ideals of how people should look. Meanwhile people of colour are growing up with that same ideal shoved in their faces all the time and feel bad for not being able to conform to it.

As a white person, people like me have most of the power in my society. Of course I'm not hurt as much by a marginalised person being prejudiced against me as they would be hurt by me being racist against them.

P.S. hi Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl!

Spoiler:


In other words; nah.

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HiveFleetPlastic wrote: (long thought out post explaining that not all racism is equivalent in severity)

MWHistorian wrote:So, a little racism is alright?

Rainbow Dash wrote:so tldr...check our privilege?


And this is why every thread similar to this goes into the same sewer. There is never any point towards ever discussing stuff like this here because it always, 100% of the time, is going to be same same stew of intentional obtuseness and strawmen, spiced with the usual various buzzword bingo phrases like SJW, Tumblr, and check your privilege!!1!.


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 HiveFleetPlastic wrote:


As a white person, people like me have most of the power in my society. Of course I'm not hurt as much by a marginalised person being prejudiced against me as they would be hurt by me being racist against them.

P.S. hi Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl!


Really? What power do you have?

What power do I have?

What power does Frazzled have? (Frazzled, not his weiner dogs, we know who has the true power there...)

You may want to swaddle yourself in imaginary "white guilt", but don't try to drown the rest of us in it.

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 HiveFleetPlastic wrote:
P.S. hi Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl!

Uh, hi?
 MWHistorian wrote:
If you go around worrying how you might offend some random stranger, you're probably living your life wrong. There's no constitutional protection against being offended. If you're doing something worthwhile, you're going to offend someone. Just be true to yourself, do what you think is right and don't worry about what some stranger says. Otherwise it'll be like living in a cage.

Well, there is a right measure for everything. Being constantly afraid is certainly wrong, but being always open to hear what other people have to say, trying to understand their point of view, and being ready to make efforts to make others more comfortable certainly is a good thing.

I have been wearing a Farahavar pendant for the last 14 years, I never feared any Iranian or Zoroastrian accusing me of cultural appropriation. If it did happen, I would talk to them about it to understand why they feel this way. But for the moment, it was more the opposite, they were either indifferent, or happy to find someone interested in their culture .

"Our fantasy settings are grim and dark, but that is not a reflection of who we are or how we feel the real world should be. [...] We will continue to diversify the cast of characters we portray [...] so everyone can find representation and heroes they can relate to. [...] If [you don't feel the same way], you will not be missed"
https://twitter.com/WarComTeam/status/1268665798467432449/photo/1 
   
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 MWHistorian wrote:
 HiveFleetPlastic wrote:
 MWHistorian wrote:
 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
 Rainbow Dash wrote:
He's gonna tell us to check our privilege isn't he?

She. Try to listen to her first, and then disagree with her if you are still unconvinced .

I did. It's still crap.
(edit)
And here's why.
If the world's going to become a better place and racism comes to an end, it can't be excused because one side feels justified in their hatred somehow. All racists feel justified. The point is to end racism, not "okay it" for some, but not for others.

Well, drawing false equivalences muddies the issue. There are more in your post, here.

The fact is, white racism does more damage than prejudice against white people does because it's backed up by institutional power. White people have a ton more money, influence and cultural capital in the US, and in Australia, and presumably in most or all of the west. I'm white and I have a lot of trouble worrying that some people would find me putting my hair in box braids objectionable, in particular because my culture already says that how my hair looks naturally is great. This is part of how racism works - I'm already bombarded with images of people who look like me held up as ideals of how people should look. Meanwhile people of colour are growing up with that same ideal shoved in their faces all the time and feel bad for not being able to conform to it.

As a white person, people like me have most of the power in my society. Of course I'm not hurt as much by a marginalised person being prejudiced against me as they would be hurt by me being racist against them.

P.S. hi Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl!

So, a little racism is alright?
No. Wrong is wrong. People shouldn't be judged by the color of their skin. (It think Martin Luther King jr. said something about that.) If you go around worrying how you might offend some random stranger, you're probably living your life wrong. There's no constitutional protection against being offended. If you're doing something worthwhile, you're going to offend someone. Just be true to yourself, do what you think is right and don't worry about what some stranger says. Otherwise it'll be like living in a cage. That's what I love about America (and I've lived several other places) is that we're free to do as we please as long as it doesn't interfere on someone else's rights. If some one is offended because I wear something they think I shouldn't, too bad for them.

Well, as human beings with minds you and I are able to draw distinctions between different things and also notice differences in severity between different things. For example, we understand that, say, theft is a more minor offense than grievous bodily harm. By saying that GBH is worse than theft and should probably be treated more seriously, we're not saying that theft doesn't count or doesn't matter, we're just, essentially, making a judgment on where to place our resources. Similarly, if breaking my leg is worse than stubbing my toe, that doesn't mean I'm not going to go ouch and be really careful of the exercise bike's legs in future.

I want to talk a bit about offense, too, because white people have this really fascinating idea of "offense" as sort of this abstract thing that happens to people, like it's part of the weather or something. People aren't just "offended." When someone takes offense to something, it's usually for a particular reason. In the case of the box braids, there's a pattern of, essentially, black people being shut out of mainstream culture, creating their own culture in response, then having part of that culture taken by white people, ripped out and turned into a generic, white thing that black people are again excluded from.
 djones520 wrote:

Really? What power do you have?

What power do I have?

What power does Frazzled have? (Frazzled, not his weiner dogs, we know who has the true power there...)

You may want to swaddle yourself in imaginary "white guilt", but don't try to drown the rest of us in it.

Why should anyone care whether you, I or anyone else is guilty? It doesn't matter if you feel guilty - it benefits nobody. It does matter if you try and understand how racism works in our society so you can try and work against it yourself in whatever areas you're able.

Guilt is just another method for white people to re-center discussions of race on us, either by talking about how we shouldn't have to feel guilty or by talking about how guilty we do feel.
   
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 djones520 wrote:
 HiveFleetPlastic wrote:


As a white person, people like me have most of the power in my society. Of course I'm not hurt as much by a marginalised person being prejudiced against me as they would be hurt by me being racist against them.

P.S. hi Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl!


Really? What power do you have?

What power do I have?

What power does Frazzled have? (Frazzled, not his weiner dogs, we know who has the true power there...)

You may want to swaddle yourself in imaginary "white guilt", but don't try to drown the rest of us in it.


I can destroy a toilet like no one's business, after a full plate of Mexican food?

-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
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We'll find out soon enough eh.

 HiveFleetPlastic wrote:
This article about it seems pretty good: https://www.vpointnews.com/Article/3418/a-massively-flawed-appropriation-debate-over-a-white-teens-box-braids

In short:
- yeah, people reacted badly, and that sucks.
- but they're sensitive to it for a reason and you'll make the world a better place if you look into why cultural appropriation is terrible.


What if you "look into why cultural appropriation is terrible" and still think it's a nonsense? Maybe it's because I'm coming at this from the angle of the British left, in which the stress is(or has always been in my experience, I should say) on multiculturalism-as-cultural-fusion, and personally prefer the idea of culture in the form of voluntary association rather than something that runs in your blood, but despite reading all the reasons behind why people object I still find some of them ridiculous, many of them irrational, and almost all of them complete non-sequiturs. I cannot find the logical pathway between "America has historically had issues with racism" and "white people shouldn't wear certain hairstyles/perform music in certain ways/wear certain styles of dress" etc etc. I cannot find a rational argument that one culture or subculture adopting elements from other cultures and subcultures is bad, only that it's bad because it is. Or rather, it's bad when a dominant cultural group adopts elements from a non-dominant one.

But that's part of the process of cultural evolution, it's how culture grows and changes, how new subcultures form. We understand other cultures in part by adapting the parts of them which appeal to us into our own. You can't build a fortress wall around your particular strand of culture and demand everyone else leave it alone and inviolate, yet simultaneously demand it be respected and understood, because human intellect is fundamentally iterative; cultures that don't adapt, that don't share and "appropriate", stagnate, and stagnant cultures die.

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 HiveFleetPlastic wrote:
I want to talk a bit about offense, too, because white people have this really fascinating idea of "offense" as sort of this abstract thing that happens to people, like it's part of the weather or something. People aren't just "offended." When someone takes offense to something, it's usually for a particular reason. In the case of the box braids, there's a pattern of, essentially, black people being shut out of mainstream culture, creating their own culture in response, then having part of that culture taken by white people, ripped out and turned into a generic, white thing that black people are again excluded from.

Like jazz, blues, rock and roll, … ?
Though here I guess we are talking black Americans. Things can pretty different in other countries.

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it's usually for a particular reason. In the case of the box braids, there's a pattern of, essentially, black people being shut out of mainstream culture, creating their own culture in response, then having part of that culture taken by white people, ripped out and turned into a generic, white thing that black people are again excluded from.


How are they being excluded from the culture exactly? Further its just revealed ignorance to say braids belong to any particular "culture." Every human civilization with hair has had braids. Heck I see old biker dudes with braids. Norse had braids. Ancient Han had braids. The idea is just ignorance by people who haven't opened a book ever but feel literate enough to venture an opinion.

(like me!)

Again, in the US everyone steals everyone's culture. Cajun food is the food of my people, but I don't get mad if damn yankees try to make it. Vodka and tequila are the drink of my people, but I don't mind if others partake.

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-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
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 Frazzled wrote:
Further its just revealed ignorance to say braids belong to any particular "culture." Every human civilization with hair has had braids. Heck I see old biker dudes with braids. Norse had braids. Ancient Han had braids.

Yeah, but none of those looked like the one we see on the picture that caused the uproar. That one, I had almost exclusively seen on black people.

"Our fantasy settings are grim and dark, but that is not a reflection of who we are or how we feel the real world should be. [...] We will continue to diversify the cast of characters we portray [...] so everyone can find representation and heroes they can relate to. [...] If [you don't feel the same way], you will not be missed"
https://twitter.com/WarComTeam/status/1268665798467432449/photo/1 
   
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 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
 Frazzled wrote:
Further its just revealed ignorance to say braids belong to any particular "culture." Every human civilization with hair has had braids. Heck I see old biker dudes with braids. Norse had braids. Ancient Han had braids.

Yeah, but none of those looked like the one we see on the picture that caused the uproar. That one, I had almost exclusively seen on black people.


only you youngins would say that. That hair style has been around for going on fifty years. Wow I feel old saying that.
Historically tacos were made by poor Northern Mexicans as a dish. Should they be mad the Taco Bell has appropriated this and that people of all colors now eat cat tacos?

-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
 
   
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I'll never forget what my TA/PHD candidate said
"you get to pretend you are the best parts of that culture, then take your costume off because you have privilidge"
He was saying that because you have privilege you can pretend you are part of a culture but not it's negatives.
sometimes I think he is right, but the I think about white teens acting gangsta thug.

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