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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/01/28 00:34:29
Subject: Am I the Only One Not Happy With New Crons?
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Fireknife Shas'el
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There are plenty of examples. Best one honestly would be the Heldrake. Subpar and bland codex that got no end to the grief for having ONE amazing unit.
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I'm expecting an Imperial Knights supplement dedicated to GW's loyalist apologetics. Codex: White Knights "In the grim dark future, everything is fine."
"The argument is that we have to do this or we will, bit by bit,
lose everything that we hold dear, everything that keeps the business going. Our crops will wither, our children will die piteous
deaths and the sun will be swept from the sky."
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/01/28 01:55:48
Subject: Am I the Only One Not Happy With New Crons?
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Yes. Out of the billions of people on this planet at this exact moment, you're the only person that truly feels disappointed with the new codex.
On topic, I don't understand the disappointment. Almost all the units got buffs one way or another, the formations are pretty badass (I plan to use the Judicator and Destroyer ones on my competitive lists now, since there's so much that can be done), and the army has hit the balance point between the feel of the 3rd Edition Codex and the 5th Edition Codex.
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CaptainStabby wrote:If Tyberos falls and needs to catch himself it's because the ground needed killing.
jy2 wrote:BTW, I can't wait to run Double-D-thirsters! Man, just thinking about it gets me Khorney.
vipoid wrote:Indeed - what sort of bastard would want to use their codex?
MarsNZ wrote:ITT: SoB players upset that they're receiving the same condescending treatment that they've doled out in every CSM thread ever. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/01/28 02:01:18
Subject: Am I the Only One Not Happy With New Crons?
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Painlord Titan Princeps of Slaanesh
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You know what, I have nothing personal against you but i think you should sell your necron army. If you are complaining about a dex that is tournament worthy (nightscythe spam) then I think you need to quit. You can use that money to buy a new army or restart a new necron army.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/01/28 02:27:14
Subject: Re:Am I the Only One Not Happy With New Crons?
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Devestating Grey Knight Dreadknight
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Dude... the codex is fine, better than fine actually. The biggest nerf was MSS and I admit I am waiting for other Necron players to start whining about losing them. The codex is competitive, fluffy with the Formation to end all Formations and to boot I can already see Necron foot-hordes coming back with a vengeance, that will totally be a fun AND close match. EDIT: Can I buy your army? 20% MRSP my best offer.
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SHUPPET wrote:
wtf is this buddhist monk ascendant martial dice arts crap lol
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/01/28 04:23:28
Subject: Re:Am I the Only One Not Happy With New Crons?
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!!Goffik Rocker!!
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That's a typical reaction to changes. Panic.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/01/28 04:52:23
Subject: Am I the Only One Not Happy With New Crons?
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Steadfast Grey Hunter
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Je, so we are in that time of the year... again
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/01/28 05:07:51
Subject: Am I the Only One Not Happy With New Crons?
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Ancient Venerable Dreadnought
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Mysterious, soulless, angry Egyptian Space Terminators were cool.
Less mysterious, intelligent, angry Egyptian Space Terminators were a little less cool.
Reasonable, intelligent, talkative, diplomatic Egyptian Space Terminators are lame.
In short, the Newcrons were a downgrade in 5th Edition. They way they were presented in the Shield Your Baals books is worse than that.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/01/28 05:09:04
Subject: Am I the Only One Not Happy With New Crons?
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Steadfast Grey Hunter
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Melevolence wrote:I understand they are good, but the question still stands: Will one unit make the new dex, in the eyes of the majority, 'unbalanced'. Yes, they will win games. All books tend to have a unit that does that. Wraiths might be the new 'cheese', but, I dunno if it will make the dex helplessly unbalanced.
Hey, they are almost copy paste TWC, but the difference is that TWC have one more attack, one less strenght and have to pay for the 3++, but a standar calvary model with the SS is like 50 ppm, so i dont find them so overpowered
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/01/28 05:09:07
Subject: Am I the Only One Not Happy With New Crons?
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Slaanesh Chosen Marine Riding a Fiend
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Veteran Sergeant wrote:Mysterious, soulless, angry Egyptian Space Terminators were cool.
Less mysterious, intelligent, angry Egyptian Space Terminators were a little less cool.
Reasonable, intelligent, talkative, diplomatic Egyptian Space Terminators are lame.
In short, the Newcrons were a downgrade in 5th Edition. They way they were presented in the Shield Your Baals books is worse than that.
M-Matt? Is that you!?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/01/28 05:38:59
Subject: Am I the Only One Not Happy With New Crons?
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Ancient Venerable Dreadnought
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Melevolence wrote: Veteran Sergeant wrote:Mysterious, soulless, angry Egyptian Space Terminators were cool.
Less mysterious, intelligent, angry Egyptian Space Terminators were a little less cool.
Reasonable, intelligent, talkative, diplomatic Egyptian Space Terminators are lame.
In short, the Newcrons were a downgrade in 5th Edition. They way they were presented in the Shield Your Baals books is worse than that.
M-Matt? Is that you!?
I think you may be confused, child. Mat Ward wrote the "Less mysterious, intelligent, angry Egyptian Space Terminators" that I said "were a little less cool".
The cool Necrons were written by the Andys and Phil Kelly.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/01/28 05:39:31
Subject: Am I the Only One Not Happy With New Crons?
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Daemonic Dreadnought
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I'm glad to see bits and pieces of the oldcron codex making a comeback. The nerf to the resorb was a bit weird to me, why not let it keep it's +1 to RP and make Crypteks have the ability to reroll failed RP once per game?
Loss of Semp Weave? No biggie to me, we didn't have access at all to a 2+ armor save in the Oldcron codex
Phase shifter a 4++? Okay, that's what it was in the oldcron dex (though it was weird then that wraiths were also equipped with phase shifters but got a 3++)
Yeah, destroyers lost their 12" move but regained their ability to JSJ (yes, they had it before) which is good to me (PLUS now they have 2 wounds!)
Heavy Destroyers back into Heavy Support? Just as it should be.
Veil of Darkness a relic? Guess what, Oldcrons could only take 1 back in the day too! (though the one use only irks me a bit)
Scarabs now have the Oldcron disruption fields built in, not too shabby (though sure, a nerf from the Wardcron's Entropic Strike)
Lychguard are stronger, Wraiths are just getting stronger and stronger (miss your Oldcron Wraiths with WBB? There's a formation granting them RP), The MSS nerf we all knew was coming, The Annihilation Barge may have been overly nerfed but is still useable, The Doomsday Ark became stronger and cheaper, Flayed Ones are once again useable, Praetorians are stronger, Triarch Stalkers can be taken in squadrons and got a little nifty sidegrade, The scythe nerfs we knew were coming and it wasn't really even that bad, the Decurion Detachment is optional and has plenty of cool buffs within it, RP got an overall buff... etc.
If I didn't have school, work and a chaos army in the (re)making, I'd get right back into Necrons. I'm pretty happy for Necrons right now. Automatically Appended Next Post: Veteran Sergeant wrote:Melevolence wrote: Veteran Sergeant wrote:Mysterious, soulless, angry Egyptian Space Terminators were cool.
Less mysterious, intelligent, angry Egyptian Space Terminators were a little less cool.
Reasonable, intelligent, talkative, diplomatic Egyptian Space Terminators are lame.
In short, the Newcrons were a downgrade in 5th Edition. They way they were presented in the Shield Your Baals books is worse than that.
M-Matt? Is that you!?
I think you may be confused, child. Mat Ward wrote the "Less mysterious, intelligent, angry Egyptian Space Terminators" that I said "were a little less cool".
The cool Necrons were written by the Andys and Phil Kelly.
Don't forget Pete Haines, and Graham McNeill
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Gods? There are no gods. Merely existences, obstacles to overcome.
"And what if I told you the Wolves tried to bring a Legion to heel once before? What if that Legion sent Russ and his dogs running, too ashamed to write down their defeat in Imperial archives?" - ADB |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/01/28 06:25:49
Subject: Am I the Only One Not Happy With New Crons?
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Archmagos Veneratus Extremis
On the Internet
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Veteran Sergeant wrote:Melevolence wrote: Veteran Sergeant wrote:Mysterious, soulless, angry Egyptian Space Terminators were cool.
Less mysterious, intelligent, angry Egyptian Space Terminators were a little less cool.
Reasonable, intelligent, talkative, diplomatic Egyptian Space Terminators are lame.
In short, the Newcrons were a downgrade in 5th Edition. They way they were presented in the Shield Your Baals books is worse than that.
M-Matt? Is that you!?
I think you may be confused, child. Mat Ward wrote the "Less mysterious, intelligent, angry Egyptian Space Terminators" that I said "were a little less cool".
The cool Necrons were written by the Andys and Phil Kelly.
Phil Kelly was involved in writing the fluff for Shield of Baal.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/01/28 08:29:04
Subject: Re:Am I the Only One Not Happy With New Crons?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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1. It's a nerf.
2. Necron deserved it.
3. Hurray !
4. I doubt they were nerfed enough though. I'll have to read that dex soon.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/01/28 09:00:40
Subject: Re:Am I the Only One Not Happy With New Crons?
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Thermo-Optical Hac Tao
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morgoth wrote:1. It's a nerf.
2. Necron deserved it.
3. Hurray !
4. I doubt they were nerfed enough though. I'll have to read that dex soon.
I think they got more buffed than nerfed. And the nerfs were things that were too powerful before anyway.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/01/28 10:27:48
Subject: Am I the Only One Not Happy With New Crons?
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Slashing Veteran Sword Bretheren
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Savageconvoy wrote:
There are plenty of examples. Best one honestly would be the Heldrake. Subpar and bland codex that got no end to the grief for having ONE amazing unit.
You forgot the ML3 Iron Arm Endurance Daemon Prince with spell familiar, wings and black mace. Or burning brand of Skalathrax which is like a Heldrake but wounding on 4+.
Or Forgefiends who average 4 S8 hits with each volley.
Or Plague Bikers.
Or Blastmaster Noise Marines deleting your SMurfs in cover from halfway across the board.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/01/28 10:32:47
Subject: Am I the Only One Not Happy With New Crons?
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Thermo-Optical Hac Tao
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Sir Arun wrote: Savageconvoy wrote:
There are plenty of examples. Best one honestly would be the Heldrake. Subpar and bland codex that got no end to the grief for having ONE amazing unit.
You forgot the ML3 Iron Arm Endurance Daemon Prince with spell familiar, wings and black mace. Or burning brand of Skalathrax which is like a Heldrake but wounding on 4+.
Or Forgefiends who average 4 S8 hits with each volley.
Or Plage Bikers.
Or Blastmaster Noise Marines deleting your SMurfs in cover from halfway across the board.
4/5 overpowered units does not a good codex make.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/01/28 10:47:52
Subject: Am I the Only One Not Happy With New Crons?
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Rapacious Razorwing
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only one of those four units is actually tournament-level competitive (the DP, and then chaos daemon princes are better), and none of them are overpowered.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/01/28 10:49:22
Subject: Am I the Only One Not Happy With New Crons?
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Thermo-Optical Hac Tao
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Natalya wrote:only one of those three units is actually tournament-level competitive, and none of them are overpowered.
4/5 okay units definitely do not a good codex make.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/01/28 11:09:46
Subject: Am I the Only One Not Happy With New Crons?
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Slashing Veteran Sword Bretheren
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ImAGeek wrote:Natalya wrote:only one of those three units is actually tournament-level competitive, and none of them are overpowered.
4/5 okay units definitely do not a good codex make.
So what do the Eldar have, besides the Wave Serpent and Warp Spiders? The Knight is too costly and can easily get one-shotted by grav, their flyers are glass cannons and the seer council isnt what it once was.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/01/28 11:11:52
Subject: Am I the Only One Not Happy With New Crons?
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Thermo-Optical Hac Tao
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Sir Arun wrote: ImAGeek wrote:Natalya wrote:only one of those three units is actually tournament-level competitive, and none of them are overpowered.
4/5 okay units definitely do not a good codex make.
So what do the Eldar have, besides the Wave Serpent and Warp Spiders? The Knight is too costly and can easily get one-shotted by grav, their flyers are glass cannons and the seer council isnt what it once was.
I don't know why this is aimed at me?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/01/28 11:14:12
Subject: Am I the Only One Not Happy With New Crons?
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Slashing Veteran Sword Bretheren
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Well the consensus on dakka seems to be Eldar, Tau and Daemons are top tier codexes while DA and CSM are low tier, but its funny how the top tier codexes are praised for a handful of auto-take units while the same handful of good units principle in the case of CSM does not make a good codex, according to you.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/01/28 11:15:33
Subject: Am I the Only One Not Happy With New Crons?
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Trazyn's Museum Curator
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King Pariah wrote: Yeah, destroyers lost their 12" move but regained their ability to JSJ (yes, they had it before) which is good to me (PLUS now they have 2 wounds!) In what edition? They definitely did not get that rule in 3rd ed. In 3rd ed they were just jet bikes. Yeah, I did notice a bunch of oldcron-like stuff coming up. The new entropic strike is basically a disruption field.
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What I have
~4100
~1660
Westwood lives in death!
Peace through power!
A longbeard when it comes to Necrons and WHFB. Grumble Grumble
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/01/28 11:16:38
Subject: Am I the Only One Not Happy With New Crons?
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Thermo-Optical Hac Tao
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Sir Arun wrote:Well the consensus on dakka seems to be Eldar, Tau and Daemons are top tier codexes while DA and CSM are low tier, but its funny how the top tier codexes are praised for a handful of auto-take units while the same handful of good units principle does not make a good codex, according to you.
I don't think Eldar is an overly good codex. It's a powerful, competitive codex, but that doesn't make it well written, for the reasons you described.
Tau is more rounded, I think. A lot more balance internally. There's a difference between top tier codex and well written codex.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/01/28 11:21:44
Subject: Am I the Only One Not Happy With New Crons?
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Slashing Veteran Sword Bretheren
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Didnt jetbikes have the 6" assault move rule or was it only Eldar jetbikes?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/01/28 11:27:18
Subject: Am I the Only One Not Happy With New Crons?
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Trazyn's Museum Curator
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Sir Arun wrote:
Didnt jetbikes have the 6" assault move rule or was it only Eldar jetbikes?
Only Eldar jet bikes. Because Eldar.
In 4th ed, anyway. Though I have the 3rd ed necron codex, I started just when 4th ed wh40k was released.
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What I have
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Westwood lives in death!
Peace through power!
A longbeard when it comes to Necrons and WHFB. Grumble Grumble
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/01/28 11:41:20
Subject: Am I the Only One Not Happy With New Crons?
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Towering Hierophant Bio-Titan
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So, OP units got brought down and the junk units got a boost.
Sounds like balance to me.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/01/28 12:35:02
Subject: Am I the Only One Not Happy With New Crons?
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Daemonic Dreadnought
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CthuluIsSpy wrote: King Pariah wrote:
Yeah, destroyers lost their 12" move but regained their ability to JSJ (yes, they had it before) which is good to me (PLUS now they have 2 wounds!)
In what edition? They definitely did not get that rule in 3rd ed.
In 3rd ed they were just jet bikes.
Yeah, I did notice a bunch of oldcron-like stuff coming up.
The new entropic strike is basically a disruption field.
A little while before the wardcron dex dropped, there was a FAQ/errata that said necron destroyers moved like eldar jetbikes.
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Gods? There are no gods. Merely existences, obstacles to overcome.
"And what if I told you the Wolves tried to bring a Legion to heel once before? What if that Legion sent Russ and his dogs running, too ashamed to write down their defeat in Imperial archives?" - ADB |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/01/28 12:36:10
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Trazyn's Museum Curator
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Bah, I must have missed it then. That would have been handy.
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What I have
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Westwood lives in death!
Peace through power!
A longbeard when it comes to Necrons and WHFB. Grumble Grumble
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/01/28 13:23:08
Subject: Am I the Only One Not Happy With New Crons?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Sir Arun wrote:Well the consensus on dakka seems to be Eldar, Tau and Daemons are top tier codexes while DA and CSM are low tier, but its funny how the top tier codexes are praised for a handful of auto-take units while the same handful of good units principle in the case of CSM does not make a good codex, according to you.
Obviously, because the Eldar good units are a bit better than the CSM good units, and also because it's impossible to make a 1850 point single source army with CSM that does not suck. Automatically Appended Next Post: Jackal wrote:So, OP units got brought down and the junk units got a boost.
Sounds like balance to me.
Indeed.
I'll have to review the whole dex before I say that, but for now, just knowing that Scythes and Annihilation Barges got the bat, as well as all the crappy ones getting buffs comforts me in the idea that "yes, GW is working hard on the balance of 40K".
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/01/28 13:39:41
Subject: Am I the Only One Not Happy With New Crons?
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Killer Klaivex
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With regard to the nerf to Tesla, it makes me more than a little depressed that Annihilation Barges are no longer useful anti-air. Frankly, it was nice to have anti-air stuff that wasn't a) crap against everything else *cough* Hydra *cough* or b) an aircraft itself.
Also, whilst it *might* have been reasonable for the Tesla Destructor (still not convinced)... what about all our other Tesla? What's the point of even taking Tesla elsewhere? You have to trade Rapid Fire (i.e. twice the shots at close range), AP4 *and* the Gauss rule for a few more shots at 24", and no benefit whatsoever when snapshotting. I don't see the appeal.
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Argive wrote:GW seems to have a crystal ball and just pulls hairbrained ideas out of their backside for the most part.
Andilus Greatsword wrote:
"Prepare to open fire at that towering Wraithknight!"
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insaniak wrote:
You're not. If you're worried about your opponent using 'fake' rules, you're having fun the wrong way. This hobby isn't about rules. It's about buying Citadel miniatures.
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