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The Lion is still asleep, but what do you think will happen when he wakes up? Do you think he will try to wake and cure Guilliman?

Given GW's past lore writing he will either....

1) Die and come back even awesomer
2) Die
3) Become a LoW and not change much about the Imperium
4) Be the start of 40k's very own end times (See option 1)

I would rather prefer option 3, tbh. It'd be cool to have some Imperial primarchs again to kick some butt.

When the lion comes back he will, based off his BL books, begin a new crusade to make safe the universe. Probably starting with chaos.

 raiden wrote:
When the lion comes back he will, based off his BL books, begin a new crusade to make safe the universe. Probably starting with chaos.

I dunno judging by the BL books he'll do stuff but the BL writers won't get his characters or motivations figured out resulting in an utterly confusing presentation

He will probably stretch, turn around in his bed and think: "Just five more minutes..."

I'd guess the jungle, the mighty jungle, won't be so quiet anymore.

 Iron_Captain wrote:
He will probably stretch, turn around in his bed and think: "Just five more minutes..."

I second this.

I think there are more serious implications to the Lion waking up. First off, the Dark Angels would go on full lockdown until they can confirm El'Jonson's identity, raising some Imperial eyebrows. Once this is established, the entire Unforgiven will rally to the Rock to pay homage to their Primarch, establishing the old legion directly or otherwise. This will scare the hell out of the High Lords of Terra and the Inquisition. The Lion will be revolted by the state of the Imperium and try to usurp control. This will result in a new mini-civil war in the Imperium. Honestly, I think it'd be neat to have an entire separatist legion. It'd make the Dark Angels even more unique than just being the Green Marines.

 tweber92 wrote:
I think there are more serious implications to the Lion waking up. First off, the Dark Angels would go on full lockdown until they can confirm El'Jonson's identity, raising some Imperial eyebrows. Once this is established, the entire Unforgiven will rally to the Rock to pay homage to their Primarch, establishing the old legion directly or otherwise. This will scare the hell out of the High Lords of Terra and the Inquisition. The Lion will be revolted by the state of the Imperium and try to usurp control. This will result in a new mini-civil war in the Imperium. Honestly, I think it'd be neat to have an entire separatist legion. It'd make the Dark Angels even more unique than just being the Green Marines.

Reestablishing the Dark Angels as a full-fledged legion seems likely, given how the Lion wasn't present at the Second Founding and probably would have opposed it along with Dorn and Russ. We don't know how the Lion would react to the whole Unforgiven situation though. He might make the mission to hunt down the Fallen his priority, rather than try to take control of the Imperium. If he did take control, he'd probably become Lord Commander and occupy himself with military matters and reclaiming worlds, similar to what Guilliman did when he held that title.

Since GW is unlikely to advance the storyline too far, I'm guessing a buildup to a mini-civil war while simultaneously restablishing the legion and hunting the Fallen seems most likely (with the timeline frozen in this state for a while).

Personally, I really like the separatist legion thing!

But yea, I think your post is spot on!

Saw the thread and instantly thought of this.

well if the Lion wakes that would undoubtedly mean the end times truly had come. So many other loyal primarchs will also return one way or another.
Regarding the unforgiven though i believe the Lion will be proud and sad his sons have carried on this burden as he would have done. I believe he will recall all his gene sons and officially reform the legion and then go about joining his brothers in kicking that armless failures ass, abbadon.

What if we had a war....and EVERY BODY CAME???


It would mean the end times are upon the filthy IoM and Lion El'Johnsonville Sausages will be there to witness it.

He'll go Chaos and WRYYYYYYYYYYYY everything around. Than the dark angels will have to kill him themselves. It's gona be another dark secret...covering the first one. Dark angels will add purple fringe to their helmets as a sign of grief.

 tweber92 wrote:
I think there are more serious implications to the Lion waking up. First off, the Dark Angels would go on full lockdown until they can confirm El'Jonson's identity, raising some Imperial eyebrows. Once this is established, the entire Unforgiven will rally to the Rock to pay homage to their Primarch, establishing the old legion directly or otherwise. This will scare the hell out of the High Lords of Terra and the Inquisition. The Lion will be revolted by the state of the Imperium and try to usurp control. This will result in a new mini-civil war in the Imperium. Honestly, I think it'd be neat to have an entire separatist legion. It'd make the Dark Angels even more unique than just being the Green Marines.

This would be awesome. The DA have had their own agenda and been very secretive since the great betrayal anyway, so it wouldn't be too far fetched for the Imperium to oust them. Cypher would then finally bring his elusive ass back to the rock and give the Lion back his sword, weeping as he did!

 MadSoul wrote:

 tweber92 wrote:
I think there are more serious implications to the Lion waking up. First off, the Dark Angels would go on full lockdown until they can confirm El'Jonson's identity, raising some Imperial eyebrows. Once this is established, the entire Unforgiven will rally to the Rock to pay homage to their Primarch, establishing the old legion directly or otherwise. This will scare the hell out of the High Lords of Terra and the Inquisition. The Lion will be revolted by the state of the Imperium and try to usurp control. This will result in a new mini-civil war in the Imperium. Honestly, I think it'd be neat to have an entire separatist legion. It'd make the Dark Angels even more unique than just being the Green Marines.

This would be awesome. The DA have had their own agenda and been very secretive since the great betrayal anyway, so it wouldn't be too far fetched for the Imperium to oust them. Cypher would then finally bring his elusive ass back to the rock and give the Lion back his sword, weeping as he did!

Or Cypher turns out to be the Lion in disguise! DUN DUN DUN

On a more serious note, I'd love to see a few of the Primarchs come back. Specifically, I'd like them to give the Emperor his own faction and basically give him Daemons of Order - aka Angels. Dead Primarchs become their Daemon Prince equivalents while live Primarchs come back and make the different Codeces even more individual. Then, we fold a few of the Imperial factions together, and add a new Xenos and call it a day.

 changerofways wrote:
What if we had a war....and EVERY BODY CAME???


It would mean the end times are upon the filthy IoM and Lion El'Johnsonville Sausages will be there to witness it.

.......forgive me, I have a dirty mind

I play DA, so I'd love it for them to become I Legion again with Lion coming back as a rude boy character to field. The DA characters are a little lacking compared to some other armies, so they could so with a stand out.

I think he would get his Legion back together and demand they sit on the fence unit there is going to be a clear winner in the war.

Wouldn't he first have to forgive Luther or Luthor (who for no good reason is laying in the room next to him, hope he doesn't have a fit of insainity or something and decides to break out) for his treachery? Then he could move on and do whatever a just awoken Primarch needs to do?

He'll wake up and promptly return to Terra to make a full report on what happened within the dark angels legion... because nothing'd quite grim dark his return like his very first action being to tell the dark angels that they spent the last 10 millienia doing the exact OPPISITE of what he wanted to see happen

I thought the Lion died and became the chaos god of social awkwardness.

As suggested above, if the Lion returns, Guilliman is likely to return too, and nobody wants to see their Spiritual Liege return.

However, the a Crusade to reclaim Vulkan from Trazyn's storage, get Russ and Corax out of bars in the EoT, haul the Khan out of the Webway/Comorragh, piece together Dorn etc would also be happening, from a storytelling point of view.

 ChazSexington wrote:
As suggested above, if the Lion returns, Guilliman is likely to return too, and nobody wants to see their Spiritual Liege return.

However, the a Crusade to reclaim Vulkan from Trazyn's storage, get Russ and Corax out of bars in the EoT, haul the Khan out of the Webway/Comorragh, piece together Dorn etc would also be happening, from a storytelling point of view.

If it was written well, I think that would be a great story. Lion El returning to save the Primarchs and lead the fight against Chaos would be awesome.

 jreilly89 wrote:

 ChazSexington wrote:
As suggested above, if the Lion returns, Guilliman is likely to return too, and nobody wants to see their Spiritual Liege return.

However, the a Crusade to reclaim Vulkan from Trazyn's storage, get Russ and Corax out of bars in the EoT, haul the Khan out of the Webway/Comorragh, piece together Dorn etc would also be happening, from a storytelling point of view.

If it was written well, I think that would be a great story. Lion El returning to save the Primarchs and lead the fight against Chaos would be awesome.

Except Guilliman would be far more qualified to lead the fight against Chaos. He's got the amazing tactics + social skills. The Lion is just amazing tactics + awkardness.


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To be clear, I still think Guilliman is a dick, I just think he has better credentials than the Lion for that kind of a role.

If the lion comes back he will wake up to find a blood covered Russ standing over him.
His first words will be wtf?
Then Russ will head butt him and he will go back to sleep.

 PastelAvenger wrote:
I think he would get his Legion back together and demand they sit on the fence unit there is going to be a clear winner in the war.

This.

 e.earnshaw wrote:
If the lion comes back he will wake up to find a blood covered Russ standing over him.
His first words will be wtf?
Then Russ will head butt him and he will go back to sleep.

Pfffft, not


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 dusara217 wrote:

 jreilly89 wrote:

 ChazSexington wrote:
As suggested above, if the Lion returns, Guilliman is likely to return too, and nobody wants to see their Spiritual Liege return.

However, the a Crusade to reclaim Vulkan from Trazyn's storage, get Russ and Corax out of bars in the EoT, haul the Khan out of the Webway/Comorragh, piece together Dorn etc would also be happening, from a storytelling point of view.

If it was written well, I think that would be a great story. Lion El returning to save the Primarchs and lead the fight against Chaos would be awesome.

Except Guilliman would be far more qualified to lead the fight against Chaos. He's got the amazing tactics + social skills. The Lion is just amazing tactics + awkardness.


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To be clear, I still think Guilliman is a dick, I just think he has better credentials than the Lion for that kind of a role.

But I don't think he could gain their support. A lot of Primarchs were against the Codex Astartes

after 10 000 years, I would say take one hell of a morning piss..

 jreilly89 wrote:
But I don't think he could gain their support. A lot of Primarchs were against the Codex Astartes

But there were more of them for it than there were against it.

Dorn was against it initially but changed his mind, plus he's dead.
Vulkan, Corax, Khan, and obviously Guilliman were for it.
Sanguinius and Ferrus Manus are dead.
That only leaves the Lion and Russ who were against it.

 Orblivion wrote:

 jreilly89 wrote:
But I don't think he could gain their support. A lot of Primarchs were against the Codex Astartes

But there were more of them for it than there were against it.

Dorn was against it initially but changed his mind, plus he's dead.
Vulkan, Corax, Khan, and obviously Guilliman were for it.
Sanguinius and Ferrus Manus are dead.
That only leaves the Lion and Russ who were against it.

I thought Dorn was rumored. I know they have his hand, but he is still a Primarch. Khan is somewhere in the webway. That leaves Vulkan, Corax and Guilliman against the Lion and Russ. It's tough to say, but I think, depending on how/who woke up, it would be hard for Guilliman to be the leader.

Assuming it went:
-Lion wakes up
-Cure is found for Guilliman

Then either Dorn, Corax, Russ, or Vulkan would return, then somehow try to rescue Khan. I don't think Guilliman could be leader if it was only , say, Vulkan, Guilliman, and the Lion. I think it would have to be at least 3/4 of the Primarchs against the Lion for him to concede to follow Guilliman.