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Zimko wrote:
Similar to that but with different Troops, here's another idea for 1850 competitive:

CAD
HQ
Cryptek w/ Chronometron
Cryptek w/ Chronometron
Troops
19x Warriors w/ Ark
19x Warriors w/ Ark
Fast Attack
6x Wraiths w/ Whip Coils
9x Tomb Blades w/ Nebuloscope, Shield Vanes
9x Tomb Blades w/ Nebuloscope, Shield Vanes
Heavy Support
2x Heavy Destroyers
2x Heavy Destroyers
2x Heavy Destroyers

It doesn't have AA specifically but I don't think we really need it. We just need to survive flyers.

Theres almost no reason not to split your troops into 4 units IMHO

Put the 9 with cryptek on the ground and 10 inside the arc. 4 units is almost always better then 2 and you actually are just as resilient IMO by having a unit embarked.

 Red Corsair wrote:

Zimko wrote:
Similar to that but with different Troops, here's another idea for 1850 competitive:

CAD
HQ
Cryptek w/ Chronometron
Cryptek w/ Chronometron
Troops
19x Warriors w/ Ark
19x Warriors w/ Ark
Fast Attack
6x Wraiths w/ Whip Coils
9x Tomb Blades w/ Nebuloscope, Shield Vanes
9x Tomb Blades w/ Nebuloscope, Shield Vanes
Heavy Support
2x Heavy Destroyers
2x Heavy Destroyers
2x Heavy Destroyers

It doesn't have AA specifically but I don't think we really need it. We just need to survive flyers.

Theres almost no reason not to split your troops into 4 units IMHO

Put the 9 with cryptek on the ground and 10 inside the arc. 4 units is almost always better then 2 and you actually are just as resilient IMO by having a unit embarked.

He'd have to squeeze points for 2 more warriors since min unit size is 10, but that's probably a good idea. Even with the smaller units it's pretty unlikely that you give up FB.

 Red Corsair wrote:

Zimko wrote:
Similar to that but with different Troops, here's another idea for 1850 competitive:

CAD
HQ
Cryptek w/ Chronometron
Cryptek w/ Chronometron
Troops
19x Warriors w/ Ark
19x Warriors w/ Ark
Fast Attack
6x Wraiths w/ Whip Coils
9x Tomb Blades w/ Nebuloscope, Shield Vanes
9x Tomb Blades w/ Nebuloscope, Shield Vanes
Heavy Support
2x Heavy Destroyers
2x Heavy Destroyers
2x Heavy Destroyers

It doesn't have AA specifically but I don't think we really need it. We just need to survive flyers.

Theres almost no reason not to split your troops into 4 units IMHO

Put the 9 with cryptek on the ground and 10 inside the arc. 4 units is almost always better then 2 and you actually are just as resilient IMO by having a unit embarked.

I don't know, I think the very fact that he has Crypteks with Chronomotrons is a good reason to go brick with them. I'd rather have 40 Warriors with 5++/RP4+ the 20 with and 20 without.

I really dig that list ZImko, very solid.


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As people have been finding out Stalkers are going to have giant targets on them, which is a good reason to still bring the HGC, so we can stay as far away as possible.

I'm feeling the standard on mine, just because both Melta and Heavy Flamer templates are things in more demand then more Heavy Gauss, but I'll have to keep an eye on it.

Also, remember most of the weapons that people use to kill Stalkers also tends to be pointed at Destroyers and Tomb Blades and the like, so there is a lot of good overlap, there, at least.

 Red Corsair wrote:

Zimko wrote:
Similar to that but with different Troops, here's another idea for 1850 competitive:

CAD
HQ
Cryptek w/ Chronometron
Cryptek w/ Chronometron
Troops
19x Warriors w/ Ark
19x Warriors w/ Ark
Fast Attack
6x Wraiths w/ Whip Coils
9x Tomb Blades w/ Nebuloscope, Shield Vanes
9x Tomb Blades w/ Nebuloscope, Shield Vanes
Heavy Support
2x Heavy Destroyers
2x Heavy Destroyers
2x Heavy Destroyers

It doesn't have AA specifically but I don't think we really need it. We just need to survive flyers.

Theres almost no reason not to split your troops into 4 units IMHO

Put the 9 with cryptek on the ground and 10 inside the arc. 4 units is almost always better then 2 and you actually are just as resilient IMO by having a unit embarked.

Like Shadar said, I'd lose the synergy of the Cryptek's 5++ and +1 RP for half of the Warriors and I'd have to find points to fill out the full 40 warriors.

I mostly play in the NOVA open format where you may have 2 or 3 objectives on your side of the board and 1 in the middle and 2 to 3 objectives in your opponent's board half. There's also massive LOS blockers in the middle of board. These blobs will be great for holding the objectives on my side while the Wraiths and Tomb Blades use their mobility to steal objectives.

Yep, exactly, and getting Ob Sec on all of that is really, really nice. That's the thing about the Decurion, is they had to make it pretty solid to talk you out of Ob Sec. It's a really solid mechanic, because both directions have good reasons for taking them. Ob Sec GAs and Warriors and Immortals is really, really nice. Particularly if you can combine it with Szzeras and other Crypteks to get RP back up to 4+.

Then again, army wide 4+, Relentless and MtC are really nice, too. So is being able to spam, say, 10 groups of Flayed Ones.

Yeah if you are going with big blocks seriously consider Illuminor, he's got the same stats pretty much of a Cryptek, but gives everyone within 6 inches +1 RP, and buffs a warriors squad with a 1/3 chance of getting +1 T , or the other good one BS.

Hollismason wrote:
Yeah if you are going with big blocks seriously consider Illuminor, he's got the same stats pretty much of a Cryptek, but gives everyone within 6 inches +1 RP, and buffs a warriors squad with a 1/3 chance of getting +1 T , or the other good one BS.

Yep. I've considered Illuminor in a Decurion. Guaranteed 4+ RP against ID, and Relentless makes +1 S a little more relevant. 20 Rapid Fire Relentless Warriors with S5 is no joke on the assault.


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Playing around with an Anraykr super Immortal build :

Anraykr
Orrikan
Sszeras
Cryptek + Chronotek + RO + Veil
Lord + RO + Solar Staff + WS
10 x Tesla Immortals
Night Scythe

Whats 940 points among friends, lol? Obviously, Illuminor would run with another squad and is just being mentioned for his buff. This is literally the only time I would use Tesla Immortals. This is assuming a CAD + Royal Court formation, to keep OS on the Immortals. You could of course do this in the Decurion and get relentless and Gauss.

Somewhat paradoxically, while scarabs got more expensive and are in some ways not as good as before, the full scarab farm list is actually more viable for tournaments, for one simple reason: Scarabs can now hurt imperial knights. Before, running 9 spyders felt a bit silly because you kinda had to take stormteks in a list that was already really good against vehicles, just because one type of vehicle was immune to scarabs.

Here's a list I'll take to a tournament next week. It's obviously not balanced, being almost pure assault, but the ghost arks do offer some shooting for removing bubble wraps and so on. The TO ruled that wraiths ignore terrain also for their initiative in assault, hence all the whip coils.

CCB (scythe, shifter, phylactery, nightmare shroud)
10 warriors + ark
10 warriors + ark
6 wraiths (all coils)
6 wraiths (all coils)
9 scarabs
3 spyders
3 spyders
3 spyders

1846 points

EDIT: It's obviously a CAD, first and foremost to fit the spyders, but also because I think ObSec ghost arks are awesome.

Is there really much of a point in coils on wraiths now? The chance of them being killed before they strike is pretty small.

Maybe this is why GW made them so cheap!

Alcibiades wrote:
Is there really much of a point in coils on wraiths now? The chance of them being killed before they strike is pretty small.

Maybe this is why GW made them so cheap!

It lets you go first before imperial knights, most walkers (who are swinging at S10), and the same time as a wraith knight.

I actually can't stand the detachment. I've been running a list with the regular FOC and been doing great.

I've been running Szeraz, crypteks, immortals, triarch stalkers, destroyers and heavy destroyers and you get a 3+4+ on everything, bs5 when you cuddle stalkers.

It makes a damn mean gun line.

Anyone tried out just a all assault army yet?

I have cooked up a couple of builds for Adepticon. One of the builds doesnt even have wraiths in it. See link: http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/634613.page to vote for which army I end up fielding this year at Adepticon.

Ran a 2000pt Decurion last night against Chaos Daemons. I had 3 Tomb Blades,5 Immortals, 1 Overlord, 80 Warriors, 5 Deathmarks, and 10 Flayed ones. He fielded 2 Greater Daemon characters, I don't recall the names of Khorne and Nurgle, 4 winged Daemon Princes, 3 10 man squads of Daemons (Plague Bearers, and Khorne Blood letters), and 10ish bases of Nurglings.

I was able to dispatch the the Nurglings, a squad of Blood Letters, and gets few wounds on 3 of the MCs.
He was able to crush the MSUs I fielded with no difficulty, and a mob of 20 of my warriors with overlord, using the combined effort of the MCs of Khorne.



I conceded the match on turn 4
Warriors were just a mediocre tar pit for MCs.. The needing 5's to hit and 6's to wound, if they could wound at all. Or standing there useless unable to shoot at MC is assualts.
Tomb Blades functioned as more expensive Immortals. Admittedly, I made the list quick and didn't buy the option to ignore cover for them, but at their squad size of 3, it wouldn't have mattered much.
The Immotals managed to inflict no wounds on the Plague Father, and were destroyed in assault with a Nurgle Daemon Prince
The Overlord was kitted out nicely, but took a single wound that caused instant death, before even getting off an attack.
The Deathmarks put 4 wounds on the Giant Nurgle Plague Father, but then were imediately tied up in an assualt they couldn't win with Plague Bearers.
The Flayed Ones came in turn 2, assaulted in turn 3, rolled porly for damage, and managed to wupe out a squad of Bloodletters in turn 4.

Still looks like a fun game!! Sucks you lost though. How'd you like the Flayed Ones?

I play with good friends, so it's wasy for me to have fun, even when I'm losing. It was just disheartenind that his army was absolutely ROCK to my scissors.

Flayed Ones in assault are awesome. Getting Flayed Ones into assault not so much.. He had infitrated his Nurglings first leaving the Flayed Ones no where good to go, so they outflanked. They arrived turn 2, and didn't get to assault until turn 3. Huge improvement from where they were last edition though, and I'm thinking of converting some plastic warriors into another squad of Flayed Ones.

Necrons are dead hard to kill now, but I'm having a hard time finding the right list building balance that can cope with high AV, MCs, and assaults, without shifting to hordes of Lcyhguard.

Not coincidently, I just purchased 30 Lychguard/Praetoreans.

Yeah I really like the Flayed Ones now, every game I've played they have just been boss.

Do you think if you rolled better in that first turn they'd have wiped the Blood Letters?

Hollismason wrote:
Do you think if you rolled better in that first turn they'd have wiped the Blood Letters?

Pretty sure they would have. I rolled 50 attacks, needing 4+ to hit, and only hit with 12 or so.

That's why I really think the Destroyer Lord is a great add to them, he can deep strike with them or outflank and carrying a Warscythe he provides needed Anti-Av.

Destroyer Lord w/ Warscythe , Super Orb!, Phase Shifter ( 195)
Illuminor Szeras (110)
Elites
Triarch Stalker x 1 w/ H. Gauss Cannon (140)
15 Flayed Ones (195)
Troops
15 Warriors (195)
10 Warriors w/ Ghost Ark (235)
Fast Attack
10 Tomb Blades Shield Vanes, Nebuloscopes(210)
6 Wraiths w/ Whip Coils (258)
H. Support
2 H. Destroyers (100)
2 H. Destroyers (100)
Aegis Defense Line w/ Quad Gun (75?)
Total : 1813

Thinking of this as a Take All Comers list.

I... don't actually have the codex yyet. Can anybody please tell me if you can mix different weapons/options within a tomb blade unit? Thanks!

I believe you can.

Wait can you have a Mephrit Dynasty Decurion Detachment???

@Adamsouza, good battle report.

I pointed it out in a thread, but I'm pretty sure that Destroyers from the destroyer cult confer their Exterimation protocols on Independent Characters that join the squad.

It at first seems like it wouldn't matter then you read Illuminors Eldritch Lance which is St8 AP2 lance that can reroll armour penetration which is pretty good plus it's assault so he can move and shoot it so it's not like he can't be mobile, plus he gives them a +1 RP and they give him Preferred Enemy which at his BS 4 is interesting and great.

Hollismason wrote:
Wait can you have a Mephrit Dynasty Decurion Detachment???

No, you can't.

Hollismason wrote:
I pointed it out in a thread, but I'm pretty sure that Destroyers from the destroyer cult confer their Exterimation protocols on Independent Characters that join the squad.

It at first seems like it wouldn't matter then you read Illuminors Eldritch Lance which is St8 AP2 lance that can reroll armour penetration which is pretty good plus it's assault so he can move and shoot it so it's not like he can't be mobile, plus he gives them a +1 RP and they give him Preferred Enemy which at his BS 4 is interesting and great.

That would work, but why would you?
For the same amount of points you could take two Heavy Destroyers, they wouldn't have the S8 + Lance but just a normal 2x S9.

He gives the other H. Destroyers with in 6" of him +1 RP. He's a good add to a firebase making them more resilient like so..

Illuminor
Elites
1- 2 Triarch Stalkers (w/ H. Gauss)

Troops
15 Warriors
The reason you want this Large Block is that this block if in front of have a 33% chance to have BS6 +1 Illuminor, +1 Stalker, or have +1T and a 4+ Save from Illuminor
Add Some other Stuff here
Fast Attack
Add some other stuff here if you want most likely wraiths
H. Support
I'd actually play with Annihilation Barges for this and maybe just 2 H. Destroyers

Destroyer Cult
Destroyer Lord
Destroyers
Destroyers
Destroyers
3 H. Destroyers

Aegis Defense Line w/ Quad


Now you've got a Fire Base with a 4+ cover 2 Twin Linked BS 4 , 1 BS5 Preferred Enemy ST8 AP2 Gauss, 3 ST9 AP2 .. you've also got a chance that the large block of Warriors in front or near will have BS 6 or T5 and BS5... that's really good.

Having him in the troops as they jump-shoot-jump behind the stalkers to hand out the +1 RP is good. Having him with the Destroyers so they can't jump-shoot-jump, less so.

Hollismason wrote:
He gives the other H. Destroyers with in 6" of him +1 RP. He's a good add to a firebase making them more resilient like so..

Illuminor

Elites
Triarch Stalker (w/ H. Gauss)
Triarch Stalker (w/ H. Gauss)

Troops
15 Troops
The reason you want this Large Block is that this block if in front of have a 33% chance to have BS6 +1 Illuminor, +1 Stalker, or have +1T and a 4+ Save from Illuminor

Fast Attack

H. Support


Destroyer Cult
Destroyer Lord
Destroyers
Destroyers
Destroyers
3 H. Destroyers

Aegis Defense Line w/ Quad


Now you've got a Fire Base with a 4+ cover 2 Twin Linked BS 4 , 1 BS5 Preferred Enemy ST8 AP2 Gauss, 3 ST9 AP2 .. you've also got a chance that the large block of Warriors in front or near will have BS 6 or T5 and BS5... that's really good.

Dont you need minimum 2 troops or is 15 troops a mix of immortals and warriors?

 adamsouza wrote:
Ran a 2000pt Decurion last night against Chaos Daemons. I had 3 Tomb Blades,5 Immortals, 1 Overlord, 80 Warriors, 5 Deathmarks, and 10 Flayed ones. He fielded 2 Greater Daemon characters, I don't recall the names of Khorne and Nurgle, 4 winged Daemon Princes, 3 10 man squads of Daemons (Plague Bearers, and Khorne Blood letters), and 10ish bases of Nurglings.

I was able to dispatch the the Nurglings, a squad of Blood Letters, and gets few wounds on 3 of the MCs.
He was able to crush the MSUs I fielded with no difficulty, and a mob of 20 of my warriors with overlord, using the combined effort of the MCs of Khorne.



I conceded the match on turn 4
Warriors were just a mediocre tar pit for MCs.. The needing 5's to hit and 6's to wound, if they could wound at all. Or standing there useless unable to shoot at MC is assualts.
Tomb Blades functioned as more expensive Immortals. Admittedly, I made the list quick and didn't buy the option to ignore cover for them, but at their squad size of 3, it wouldn't have mattered much.
The Immotals managed to inflict no wounds on the Plague Father, and were destroyed in assault with a Nurgle Daemon Prince
The Overlord was kitted out nicely, but took a single wound that caused instant death, before even getting off an attack.
The Deathmarks put 4 wounds on the Giant Nurgle Plague Father, but then were imediately tied up in an assualt they couldn't win with Plague Bearers.
The Flayed Ones came in turn 2, assaulted in turn 3, rolled porly for damage, and managed to wupe out a squad of Bloodletters in turn 4.

I know these kind of battles.
Against Daemons I usually take my 15 Wraiths.
The opponents always got greedy to destroy my army especially the Wraiths usually deployed so that one flank is refused.
Later on my Night Scythes with the troops came in to clear the smaller buggers and go for the objectives.

I wrote that when I was sleepy. It should be 15 Warriors 5 Immortals, it's not really a definitive army list just saying what one could possibly look like in a rough draft.

You've got a big fat block of Warriors, lots of support units. Etc..


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 Tomb King wrote:

Hollismason wrote:
He gives the other H. Destroyers with in 6" of him +1 RP. He's a good add to a firebase making them more resilient like so..

Illuminor

Elites
Triarch Stalker (w/ H. Gauss)
Triarch Stalker (w/ H. Gauss)

Troops
15 Troops
The reason you want this Large Block is that this block if in front of have a 33% chance to have BS6 +1 Illuminor, +1 Stalker, or have +1T and a 4+ Save from Illuminor

Fast Attack

H. Support


Destroyer Cult
Destroyer Lord
Destroyers
Destroyers
Destroyers
3 H. Destroyers

Aegis Defense Line w/ Quad


Now you've got a Fire Base with a 4+ cover 2 Twin Linked BS 4 , 1 BS5 Preferred Enemy ST8 AP2 Gauss, 3 ST9 AP2 .. you've also got a chance that the large block of Warriors in front or near will have BS 6 or T5 and BS5... that's really good.

Dont you need minimum 2 troops or is 15 troops a mix of immortals and warriors?

Just a rough draft not a definitive army. I'll post one definitiively later