kronk wrote:
I'm getting more and more scared as this gak continues.

 Nostromodamus wrote:

 ScootyPuffJunior wrote:
People cheering for torture.


Stay classy, America!

Probably the same people that cheered when he talked about deporting Muslims and spying on Mosques.

That anyone can even entertain the concept of him being POTUS is flying rodent gak insane.

 curran12 wrote:
Donald Trump reverses position on torture, killing terrorists' families

http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/04/politics/donald-trump-reverses-on-torture/index.html

 Frazzled wrote:
If you really want to be annoyed, watch that debate, and then imagine if T. Roosevelt, Nixon, and Reagan were there instead, and how that would have gone. You will be mad.

I wonder if this type of debate was something more normal at the time of Jackson?

Psychiatric hospitals filling up with time travellers sent back to kill Donald Trump

Psychiatric facilities across the United States are at breaking point after the number of people claiming to be sent from the future to stop Donald Trump reached epidemic proportions.



New research has shown that every ten minutes someone claiming to the from the future sent back to save humanity is admitted to a hospital somewhere in the US.

Dr Simon Williams told us, “We’re struggling to cope to be honest. We’re constantly booking people in who’ve been arrested before telling police they are on a secret mission from the future, and have to save the world.

“It used to be ‘I’m Napoleon’ – but not any more.

“To say you’ve been sent from the future to stop Donald Trump is a very unusual psychological delusion, especially to be suffered by so many people, with such a similar stated aim.

“They all say the same thing, they come from a future of riots, war, famine, the collapse of civilised society, and then being sent back to ‘make it all right’.

“I mean, it’s almost like they’re telling the truth and for some unknown reason the future is getting increasingly desperate to stop the rise of Donald Trump and the end of the world he will inevitably bring about.

“He can’t be that bad, can he?”

 Frazzled wrote:


I wonder if this type of debate was something more normal at the time of Jackson?

 Frazzled wrote:
If you really want to be annoyed, watch that debate, and then imagine if T. Roosevelt, Nixon, and Reagan were there instead, and how that would have gone. You will be mad.

I wonder if this type of debate was something more normal at the time of Jackson?

 Frozocrone wrote:
I'm 95% certain a businessman who won't take no for an answer/do what he wants is not the best person to run the country.

 Frazzled wrote:
I wonder if this type of debate was something more normal at the time of Jackson?

Hillary Clinton promises to 'get to the bottom of UFO mystery' if elected, and 'maybe send a task force' to alleged alien prison Area 51
Campaign manager John Podesta said she would declassify UFO files
Clinton herself said words to the same effect in December
She added: 'We may have been visited already'
Podesta pressured Bill Clinton and Barack Obama to declassify files while working for their administrations

While Donald Trump continues to promise a wall between the US and Mexico, Hillary Clinton is thinking about a different kind of alien: if elected she will release classified UFO files, her campaign manager revealed.

As the Clinton campaign passed through Las Vegas last month, campaign manager John Podesta told KLAS-TV Politics NOW that he has persuaded the Democratic candidate to open up the long-closed documents for the US public.

'I think I've convinced her that we need an effort to kind of go look at that and declassify as much as we can, so that people have their legitimate questions answered,' he said.

Podesta continued: 'More attention and more discussion about unexplained aerial phenomena can happen without people — who are in public life, who are serious about this — being ridiculed.'

In December of last year, Clinton said much the same at a meeting with The Conway Daily Sun, in which she 'enthusiastically' told the editorial board, 'Yes, I'm going to get to the bottom of [the UFO files].'

She added that Podesta 'has made me personally pledge we are going to get the information out, one way or another. Maybe we could have, like, a task force to go to Area 51.'

Area 51 is an infamous US military base in Nevada which is ostensibly used to test stealth technology, but has long been linked to UFOs by conspiracy theorists, who say that the base was used to imprison and perform tests on aliens.

She also said, 'I think we may have been [visited already]. We don't know for sure.'

Clinton's remarks emerged in conversation with a Conway Daily Sun reporter who had questioned her on the topic in 2007. She was described as 'recalling the conversation with a smile' and 'having fun with the topic.'

A later CNN report characterised the remarks as 'tongue-in-cheek,' a descriptor not used in the Daily Sun's report.

She has been linked to UFOs since 1995, when a photograph was taken of her and businessman Laurance Rockefeller in which she can be seen holding a copy of the book Are We Alone: Philosophical Implications of the Discovery of Extraterrestrial Life by Paul Davies.

Two years before, Rockefeller had started up an initiative requesting that then-President Bill Clinton release information about UFOs.

That Podesta would use his position as Hillary Clinton's campaign manager to press her to look into the files is no surprise - he has been campaigning for declassification of secret documents, especialy UFO-related ones, for decades.

As White House Chief of Staff for Bill Clinton, Podesta declassified hundreds of millions of documents himself, but was never able to get to the UFO documents.

And in 2014, as he left his position of counselor to Barack Obama, he tweeted: 'Finally, my biggest failure of 2014: Once again not securing the #disclosure of the UFO files.' He concluded with the hashtag '#thetruthisstilloutthere,' a reference to popular sci-fi conspiracy show The X-Files.

Obama brought on Podesta after the disastrous rollout of his health care law. Several current and former White House officials said Podesta — regarded by many as an elder statesman — quickly injected more depth into strategy discussions and would often play devil’s advocate, pushing the team to consider things not on their radar.


Bill Clinton has also broached the topic on various occasions, including a conversation on The Jimmy Kimmel show in 2014, when he said that during his time as President he had made enquiries about Area 51 itself.

'First I had people go looking through the records of Area 51, to make sure there was no alien down there,' he said, going on to say that stealth technology is developed in the base, 'but there were no aliens there.'

He added that he also looked at the files related to the Roswell Incident in 1947, when a US Air Force surveillance balloon crashed in Rosewell, New Mexico. Since then rumors have swirled that the balloon was actually an alien spacecraft.

Kimmel asked the former president whether he would tell the audience if he'd found proof of alien life. 'Yes,' he replied, without hesitation, to the cheers of audience members.

And speculating on the likeliness of life elsewhere in the universe, he said: 'If we were visited someday I wouldn't be surprised. I just hope it's not like Independence Day.'

 Nostromodamus wrote:

 Frozocrone wrote:
I'm 95% certain a businessman who won't take no for an answer/do what he wants is not the best person to run the country.

And yet when I speak to everyday Americans, so many of them want a businessman in charge.

A businessman, assuming we're talking the head of a company, is in it to make money to the exclusion of all else. Typically they don't care for their employees and are morally flexible. What they say, goes. They are the decision maker, a company is typically not democratic, and if they don't like someone, "you're fired". This certainly defines Trump's character.

Is this really the type of person we want as POTUS?

 reds8n wrote:
Is it a requirement or just the done thing ?

Is it just to show how much tax they've paid, monies given to charities etc etc and so forth ?

 Breotan wrote:

 reds8n wrote:
Is it a requirement or just the done thing ?

Is it just to show how much tax they've paid, monies given to charities etc etc and so forth ?

AFAIK, there is no actual requirement to release any sort of personal data as part of a campaign. It's done mostly to prove claims by the person running, or to thwart attacks against the candidate's reputation.

 Breotan wrote:
Trump has not released his tax returns as far as I know.

 Kilkrazy wrote:
Yes.

It's not a surprise to find that Trump is out of ethics with the tax returns, since he's out of ethics with so many other presidential things.

I wonder what everyone else's tax returns look like, including the Democrat candidates.

 Frozocrone wrote:

 Nostromodamus wrote:

 Frozocrone wrote:
I'm 95% certain a businessman who won't take no for an answer/do what he wants is not the best person to run the country.

And yet when I speak to everyday Americans, so many of them want a businessman in charge.

A businessman, assuming we're talking the head of a company, is in it to make money to the exclusion of all else. Typically they don't care for their employees and are morally flexible. What they say, goes. They are the decision maker, a company is typically not democratic, and if they don't like someone, "you're fired". This certainly defines Trump's character.

Is this really the type of person we want as POTUS?

What would he do if elected though and, say Cameron opposes him on something? "I am the President of the United States of America, you will do what I say!"

 helgrenze wrote:

 Breotan wrote:

 reds8n wrote:
Is it a requirement or just the done thing ?

Is it just to show how much tax they've paid, monies given to charities etc etc and so forth ?

AFAIK, there is no actual requirement to release any sort of personal data as part of a campaign. It's done mostly to prove claims by the person running, or to thwart attacks against the candidate's reputation.

"Members of Congress, candidates for federal office, senior congressional staff, nominees for executive branch positions, Cabinet members, the president and vice president and Supreme Court justices are required by the Ethics in Government Act of 1978 to file annual reports disclosing their personal finances. Compliance and enforcement of this requirement is overseen by the congressional ethics committees, the ethics offices of government agencies and, in the case of executive branch officials, the U.S. Office of Government Ethics."

Tax returns are part of this.