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 Xenomancers wrote:
Well it doesn't confer the T4 to the sister which must be the explanation.

Scouts are proof the T4 does not come from the armor anyway.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

 Xenomancers wrote:
Well it doesn't confer the T4 to the sister which must be the explanation.

Scouts are proof the T4 does not come from the armor anyway.

They are in scout armor - somehow it confers 4t but reduces to a 4+ save. Maybe you are right - maybe t4 comes from being 9 feet tall - but the str4 comes from the power armor? Being huge has no effect on the str? It doesn't ad up to me.

This:


or this:


or even these:


Are just corset-wearing Dominatrix/BDSM club members. You call it aesthetics, I call it fan service.





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On the other hand, I think we are done about stolen PA here.

Yeah, those were terrible designs.


No, that one is fine. Okay, it has boobplate and could be better without it, but that is certainly not looking in any way like anything BDSM.


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 Xenomancers wrote:
Maybe you are right - maybe t4 comes from being 9 feet tall - but the str4 comes from the power armor? Being huge has no effect on the str?

No. The power armor only gives a 3+. The fact it is powered just allow it to move (and let people that use it carry big weapons, like heavy flamers, heavy bolters, multi-melta and all that).

GW has chosen to not have PA add any Toughness, Strength or similar to models in their game.

It simply gives a 3+.

In the lore, however, it very much grants increased strength. And autosenses. And sealed from vacuum yada yada ad nauseam.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

No, that one is fine. Okay, it has boobplate and could be better without it, but that is certainly not looking in any way like anything BDSM.

Really now? Look at her.

If that belly armour is supposed to equal Astartes plate in protection then that SoB must be anorexic.

 Ashiraya wrote:
Really now? Look at her.

If that belly armour is supposed to equal Astartes plate in protection then that SoB must be anorexic.

It is just better crafted, and removing the life support thingy that turn urine into a nutrient paste just free a lot of room .

Okay, it should be bulkier. But it does not look BDSM by any rate.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

 Ashiraya wrote:
Really now? Look at her.

If that belly armour is supposed to equal Astartes plate in protection then that SoB must be anorexic.

It is just better crafted, and removing the life support thingy that turn urine into a nutrient paste just free a lot of room .

Okay, it should be bulkier. But it does not look BDSM by any rate.

I never said that model looks BDSM, just it looks like it's wearing a tight corset

Like I said, fan service.

 lcmiracle wrote:
I never said that model looks BDSM, just it looks like it's wearing a tight corset

 lcmiracle wrote:
Are just corset-wearing Dominatrix/BDSM club members. You call it aesthetics, I call it fan service.

Corset? Yes, it does look like a corset. Fanservice? Well, not that much imho. Especially given the terrible standards in this kind of science-fantasy.

 Furyou Miko wrote:

 Wyzilla wrote:

 Furyou Miko wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
SOB armor is also of clearly lighter construction then astartes armor.

All the protective ability, none of the extraneous drivel.

No, it quite clearly isn't. The abdomen is completely unarmored on sisters, and their power armor is thinner in such areas as the pauldrons.

Not to mention their bolters and other weapons are cut-down and smaller versions compared to Astartes gear. Without the augmented strength, humans can't wield weapons like bolters, astartes power fists, or probably the pauldrons.

However even with augmented strength, Astartes struggle to move in their armor if the power is cut.

I am not fighting you over this again. The codex clearly states that the armour provides the same protection. The codex clearly states that their wargear is just as effective, in absolute terms, with that of the Astartes in every way, except for specifically noting that Sororitas power armour does not have the same life support capabilities.

You are still wrong.

Except the lore doesn't support you at all given that Sisters get utterly massecred by things Astartes would normally survive, or indeed be massecred by Astartes despite supposedly having the same quality armor (especially Flesh Tearers). Basing it all off game mechanic abstractions is both asinine and silly when the TT cannot properly represent anything, the armor is visibly thinner on sisters, their entire torso is unarmored by ceramite, and other sources such as FFG clearly state it being weaker, which makes sense given that the Sisters have watered down tech in the power armor and weapon deparment (especially power weapons).

So no, you've never actually had any evidence, and rather have always just been clinging to a single line and game mechanic in one series of books where multiple other sources contradict it. When something is contradicted multiple times, and there is only one point of evidence you're relying on, it's far more likely that your "evidence" is simply an outlier and an exception to the rule, not the actual rule itself.

Not to mention that given how Sisters power armor is skin-tight, it is already immediately inferior as it would protect far less against concussive force, and they don't have augmented bodies either. A heavy bolter shell fired at the chest would probably instantly kill the Sister form the kinetic energy alone while an Astartes would probably be able to walk that hit off given the thickness of Space Marine PA.


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 Furyou Miko wrote:
Your opinion doesn't count because you think Space Marines can walk through lava.

Actually, they have, and I can probably pull up quotes on the subject as well from the Tome of Fire series.

And no, IIRC that image is of a Canoness, this is just a normal Sister from FFG.



And it's not like it's FFG's invention, this here is from either the 4th or 5th Edition if I remember correctly.



Note again the corset is not made of ceramite like the above or lower pieces. This appears to be a modern depiction trend of the Sisters, and it doesn't make much sense considering that doesn't look to be any more protective than Bridgadine armor from the 14th Century.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oI3DlIrvoHg

 Wyzilla wrote:
Except the lore doesn't support you at all given that Sisters get utterly massecred by things Astartes would normally survive, or indeed be massecred by Astartes

Except when it is Sisters massacring Astartes.
Fluff!

 Wyzilla wrote:
Basing it all off game mechanic abstractions is both asinine and silly when the TT cannot properly represent anything

Yeah, and the fluff of Sisters is pretty clear that it provides the same level of protection.

 Wyzilla wrote:
the armor is visibly thinner on sisters

Because you need to be bigger to be better.
*look at artificer armor*

 Wyzilla wrote:
their entire torso is unarmored by ceramite

Their torso is shaped to look like a corset. Does not mean it is not armored.

 Wyzilla wrote:
which makes sense given that the Sisters have watered down tech in the power armor and weapon deparment (especially power weapons).

Watered down tech? Where the hell did you get that? Actually, it is the opposite, courtesy of having tons of money and influence!

 Wyzilla wrote:
Actually, they have

And that is why your opinion is irrelevant, I guess.

Oy wuzzall diz puny talk! Looted beakie armor is guud armor! Makes goof 'eavy armor it does!


(Srsly expected a ork to vissit sooner)

 Wyzilla wrote:

 Zaki66 wrote:
I thought there were difference versions of bolters, meant for different users. Like Space Marine bolters are significantly bigger than the IG or SoB counterparts.

Wasn't there that one piece of fluff that said a Marine bolter would blow a normal human's arms out of the his shoulders if he was stupid enough to fire it?

Considering Astartes Bolters are fully automatic .75 caliber assault rifles, yeah, they'd seriously feth up your entire body. Humans already can barely even fire .50 weapons from the hip, and can only use 20mm rifles mounted on bipods dug into the ground or on turrets.

Bolt rounds are bipropellant things with a soft launch charge to pop the round out of the weapon before the rocket motor kicks in. Any description of such weapons that suggests they have punishing recoil does not mesh well with the way they are supposed to work.

 Xenomancers wrote:
obligatory - why would you steal anyone's power armor? It's really bad you know?

Protection?

Bragging rights. When you sit around the bar in **REDACTED - The MouseLord is more powerful than the legal army of GW** with the rest of the scum and villains, you can score free drinks for life telling the tale of how you swiped a Space Marine's power armor.

 Psienesis wrote:
Bragging rights. When you sit around the bar in **REDACTED - The MouseLord is more powerful than the legal army of GW** with the rest of the scum and villains, you can score free drinks for life telling the tale of how you swiped a Space Marine's power armor.

Wait, why are you at the cantina in Mos Eisley Spaceport?

 phatonic wrote:
Oy wuzzall diz puny talk! Looted beakie armor is guud armor! Makes goof 'eavy armor it does!


(Srsly expected a ork to vissit sooner)

Orks are the only ones that could make use of looted Power Armor. Because the technology is too heavy, too advanced, or too inefficient for the other races.
The only reason Orks are able to is because Orks are ALWAYS able to magically know how to use everything they touch... The premise is so derpy, but expected when you try to cram a non-sci fi race into a sci fi setting.
"Ta daa! We can build portal guns and fly spaceships even though all we think about is swinging clubs!"
Such abysmally thought-out fluff...
But wearing Power Armor scraps is totally something they'd do.

 Happyjew wrote:

 Psienesis wrote:
Bragging rights. When you sit around the bar in **REDACTED - The MouseLord is more powerful than the legal army of GW** with the rest of the scum and villains, you can score free drinks for life telling the tale of how you swiped a Space Marine's power armor.

Wait, why are you at the cantina in Mos Eisley Spaceport?

Because that's where you go to brag about stealing power armor. Since just about everyone and their dog with the means can get a set in 40K, you have to go to another franchise's seedy dives to brag about it... and bragging that you bagged a set from another franchise is worth way more Cool Points.

 Xenomancers wrote:
obligatory - why would you steal anyone's power armor? It's really bad you know?


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 Ashiraya wrote:
And the SM codex says no one has authority over a Chapter Master, not even Super-Grand Inquisitor Lord Whateverus the Entitled, but people just disregard that.

I am not buying that SoB armour provides equal protection. Despite what the codex might think, I am not an idiot, and I am not blind either. 10 mm of steel provides less protection than 20 mm of steel, even if the smelter tells you otherwise. Ceramite is no different.

If it's so bothersome, consider the SoB codex to be Imperial propaganda.

Well it doesn't confer the T4 to the sister which must be the explanation.

SM's don't have T4 because of their armor. They have T4 because they have tougher skin, extra organs that keep them alive long after a normal human would have died, and a plated skeleton that is practically an extra suit of armor under their flesh. All this info has been printed in Index Astartes and online articles by GW. Astartes have T4 because they are literally physically tougher than normal humans. They're also physically stronger, which is why even scouts S4 despite having armor that isn't an exoskeleton and therefore couldn't boost their strength in any way. It's not the armor, it's the man inside.

And that corset design on Sororitas is either made of metal or has a metal plate underneath it. If it ain't a full body suit that completely covers the body and protects in the vacuum of space, it ain't Power Armour. Period. That is one of PA's defining characteristics. And Battle Sisters wear Power Armour. Insisting that it they're not armored on the belly because it "looks that way" to you, despite all the fluff to the contrary, is living in your own personal fanon. If you want to do that, more power to you, but don't expect sympathy when you try to "correct" others to your way of thinking.

A full bodysuit is not all armour though... they still need to be able to move

The only reason Orks are able to is because Orks are ALWAYS able to magically know how to use everything they touch... The premise is so derpy, but expected when you try to cram a non-sci fi race into a sci fi setting.

That's the trait of their meks... IG are equally derpy, using WW1 tank designs and consider it the best of all, not beeing able to come up with different ways how to attach armor plates differently to make it better. 40k is pretty derpy all in all considered, orks dont fall out of place there

 Archonate wrote:

 phatonic wrote:
Oy wuzzall diz puny talk! Looted beakie armor is guud armor! Makes goof 'eavy armor it does!


(Srsly expected a ork to vissit sooner)

Orks are the only ones that could make use of looted Power Armor. Because the technology is too heavy, too advanced, or too inefficient for the other races.
The only reason Orks are able to is because Orks are ALWAYS able to magically know how to use everything they touch... The premise is so derpy, but expected when you try to cram a non-sci fi race into a sci fi setting.
"Ta daa! We can build portal guns and fly spaceships even though all we think about is swinging clubs!"
Such abysmally thought-out fluff...
But wearing Power Armor scraps is totally something they'd do.

Honestly, if they had make the orks just really aggressive instead of utter morons, then they would have been fine in the 40k setting without needing to be the ultimate race of Psykers.


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Can somebody please explain to me why Sisters of Battle all get Artificer level crftmanship on their armour when Artificer armour takes centuries to produce? Makes no fething sense that their armour is as effective as SM Power Armour

Aren't they really aggressive? Authors just like to use Orks for cramming some humor in there, or detract from their brutality by making it sound funny... but the nature of orks (especially most fantasy settings) is extremely violent all things considered. They murder, plunder, mutilate for the fun of it

 Keep wrote:
Aren't they really aggressive? Authors just like to use Orks for cramming some humor in there, or detract from their brutality by making it sound funny... but the nature of orks (especially most fantasy settings) is extremely violent all things considered. They murder, plunder, mutilate for the fun of it

That's the way Works are meant to be, but then GW decided to cram in Ork "Kultur"

even the most aggressive creatures need some form of society that binds them together, otherwise they would just tear each other apart the entire time.

 fallinq wrote:
If it ain't a full body suit that completely covers the body and protects in the vacuum of space, it ain't Power Armour. Period

This is not the case.

This is very much power armour, and arguably far closer to SoB armour than SoB armour is to Astartes PA.

 Keep wrote:
even the most aggressive creatures need some form of society that binds them together, otherwise they would just tear each other apart the entire time.

I was referring to their society being completely and utterly retahded and making absolutely zero sense from an unbiased perspective.

 Ashiraya wrote:

 fallinq wrote:
If it ain't a full body suit that completely covers the body and protects in the vacuum of space, it ain't Power Armour. Period

This is not the case.

This is very much power armour, and arguably far closer to SoB armour than SoB armour is to Astartes PA.

Where is the "power" in that armour? Power armour is driven by "electrically motivated fibre bundles", because it would be too heavy to wear otherwise. That's the whole point of it. This one does not have any of that. It's not a complete set, it's only the armor plating. Just armor plating doenst make an armored suit however. Used just like that it would only be carapace/plate armor.

 Keep wrote:

 Ashiraya wrote:

 fallinq wrote:
If it ain't a full body suit that completely covers the body and protects in the vacuum of space, it ain't Power Armour. Period

This is not the case.

This is very much power armour, and arguably far closer to SoB armour than SoB armour is to Astartes PA.

Where is the "power" in that armour? Power armour is driven by "electrically motivated fibre bundles", because it would be too heavy to wear otherwise. That's the whole point of it. This one does not have any of that. It's not a complete set, it's only the armor plating. Just armor plating doenst make an armored suit however. Used just like that it would only be carapace/plate armor.

Don't ask me. That suit is called 'Ignatus Power Armour' and I did not design it.

 Ashiraya wrote:

 fallinq wrote:
If it ain't a full body suit that completely covers the body and protects in the vacuum of space, it ain't Power Armour. Period

This is not the case.

This is very much power armour, and arguably far closer to SoB armour than SoB armour is to Astartes PA.

What's the original source for this image? It's been posted a couple times on this thread, but I'd never seen it before that. Is it even official GW? Who titled it as Power Armour? It looks like a drawing of the armor from a certain Inquisitor tabletop model. And Inquisitors don't all come default with Power Armour. Could very easily just be Carapace Armour. It looks closer to Scion armor than SoB armor to me. Where's the backpack power source that every single PA model on the tabletop, without exception, has?

It's from Dark Heresy: Ascension, so it's canon. Pages 143-144

Ignatus pattern power armours are all fine examples of Mechanicus artisans. Each of them are individuality crafted only for representatives of the Holy Inquisition. Of course not as durable as Adeptus Astartes power armours, the Ignatus-pattern is far better design than those sold to nobles, rogue traders and other agents of the Imperium. Like every other power armour variant, Ignatus too is made of thick ceramite armour plates and incorporated electro-muscles so the user can even use the power armour in the first place. The optional helmet protects the wearer from toxic gasses and allows the wearer to breathe underwater and even survive in vacuum as long as suit has power. The helmet has photo-visors so the user can see in the dark and an automatically closing visor renders blind-grenades useless against the wearer. It is also possible to use a backpack for the suit which acts as external power-source. With this power-backpack the wearer can use his armour for five continuous days in battle conditions.
Because the Inquisition often has to deal with Ruinous Powers and other heretical forces, Ignatus suits are commonly inlaid with hexagrammic wards.