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Isn't that bike list illegal according to LVO rules only two sources? He has units from three right?

swanson4969 wrote:
Isn't that bike list illegal according to LVO rules only two sources? He has units from three right?

I'm pretty sure it's 2 detachments not 2 sources.

I meant two detachments. But doesn't he have three? White Scars CAD, Dark Angel Allied Detachment and Imperial Knight Detachemnt?

 SwistakCZC wrote:
In my opinion from choices you've proposed Lance wit Rants is the best. There is so few good counters to that. I've played against the same list once and I have to admit it's hard as f*k.

But I belive, newcrons gonna be more interesting.

Tell me how do you competetive guys in US interpret Canoptek Harvest wording. May I have only 1 spyder in formation? Or may I buy it and then buy him upgrades normally as described in heavy support section. Which means not only wargear but including two more spyders to this one as well? I'm looking forward to see a faq, but i know it's a pipe dream only.

 y0disisray wrote:
I know for the LVO and all of their other tournaments they're going to rule that it is literally only one Spyder. I'm sure you can purchase all of the upgrades except adding additional Spyders. I feel this is both RAW and RAI.

Agreed with y0disisray.

swanson4969 wrote:
I meant two detachments. But doesn't he have three? White Scars CAD, Dark Angel Allied Detachment and Imperial Knight Detachemnt?

The Knight Castigator does not count as a separate detachment. He is part of the Primary detachment. Each Primary can take 1 Lord of War as part of the detachment.

FW knights are LOW in 40k armies, they're not a Knight detachment like Paladin/Errant

Thats a lot of bikes

I don't think you can embark on a Ghost Ark with immortals which was the turn 1 move by JY2 here. GA transports warriors and characters.

You can't #Immortalgate2015

• • Transport Capacity: Ten models. It can only carry Necron Warriors and Necron characters with the Infantry unit type.

I guess one of the perks about publishing a report online is that you can embarass yourself in front of millions of people when you make a mistake. Lol.

I suppose its better to do so in a practice game, where you can use the excuse of this-is-my-first-time-doing-it, than to do it in the actual tournament.

BTW, thanks for the correction.

Truly this moment will haunt you forever.

There has only been 5000 views of this thread and I bet a couple thousand are repeats. Millions? Nah.

IMO you need to bring what YOU want to bring, not what your 'fans' want. Play for yourself and your enjoyment, not others. This is the path to enlightenment young Padawan.

It'd be cool to see you play a Wraithless list!

DarthDiggler wrote:
There has only been 5000 views of this thread and I bet a couple thousand are repeats. Millions? Nah.

IMO you need to bring what YOU want to bring, not what your 'fans' want. Play for yourself and your enjoyment, not others. This is the path to enlightenment young Padawan.

Ok, ok....so maybe I was off by 1 or 2 viewers.

Don't worry. Choice #1 is looking more and more unlikely, unfortunately. #2 and #3 are both armies I would love to bring to the tournament.

Hollismason wrote:
It'd be cool to see you play a Wraithless list!

I'll eventually try out a list like that, but it won't be until after the LVO.

I was wondering, is there any reason you aren't taking particale casters on the wraiths for the S6 shot and +1A, or does it jump the cost just above the "too high" mark.

Just curious to hear your thoughts on that.

 Ansel Darach wrote:
I was wondering, is there any reason you aren't taking particale casters on the wraiths for the S6 shot and +1A, or does it jump the cost just above the "too high" mark.

Just curious to hear your thoughts on that.

It doesnt necessarily give you the +1 Atk. Wraiths do not have a CCW listed in their profile to match the pistol to.

Particle casters no longer confers +1 A to the wraiths. They have rending now as a special rule but no close combat weapon that gives it to them. Also, it has been pointed out previously but whenever you're shooting with wraiths, you're not running with them


Automatically Appended Next Post:
Idea for a Fluff-killer list:

2 Flyrants

3 Mucolids

D Lord w/phase shifter, warscythe, nightmare shroud, res orb
Orikan

10 warriors w/ghost ark
5 immortals w/night scythe

5 wraiths w/whip coils
6 wraiths w/whip coils
3 tomb blades w/Nebuloscopes, shield vanes

Fragile wrote:

 Ansel Darach wrote:
I was wondering, is there any reason you aren't taking particale casters on the wraiths for the S6 shot and +1A, or does it jump the cost just above the "too high" mark.

Just curious to hear your thoughts on that.

It doesnt necessarily give you the +1 Atk. Wraiths do not have a CCW listed in their profile to match the pistol to.

luke1705 wrote:Particle casters no longer confers +1 A to the wraiths. They have rending now as a special rule but no close combat weapon that gives it to them. Also, it has been pointed out previously but whenever you're shooting with wraiths, you're not running with them

Um.....Whipcoils are a CCW, and are almost always taken.

Also since rending is on the wraith the S6 shot will have rending as well.

^You can't take both whip coils and casters. It's "one of the following" type of deal.

My turn 1 is rather uneventful. Necrons advance. Warriors disembark from their transport and Zandrekh + immortals get in.

Not sure if its been mentioned but this isnt allowed. Warriors only...

 jy2 wrote:

thanatos67 wrote:
The hitch in that is I believe orikans reroll only affects models in his unit that have reanimation, which if you take something like cron cad+leviathan you won't have. If you can get it in decurion that'd work, but i think you suck up too many pts between making a functioning reclamation legion and all the points you have to dump in just to get access to orikan in the court+the harvest formation, and no destroyer lord. So you'd either roll with a bare bones reclamation legion or cut down to 2 flyrants.

Even if the unit does not have RP, Orikan is still useful. Don't forget that Orikan allows the unit to re-roll saves of '1'. Thus, put a D-lord in front and you have a 2+ re-rollable tank. Wraiths will basically have a 2+ save with the re-roll 1's. And he will still benefit your D-lord with 4+ RP at the very least.

Personally, in my NecroNid army, if I were to take Orikan, I'd drop some wraiths/whip coils instead. Or I just wouldn't run Orikan. Going to have to playtest him in my list.

I'd consider a Barge Lord instead of a Lord on foot.
With his increased mobility he could take on isolated units or tanks.

Turn 3 up (on p. 3).

luke1705 wrote:
Particle casters no longer confers +1 A to the wraiths. They have rending now as a special rule but no close combat weapon that gives it to them. Also, it has been pointed out previously but whenever you're shooting with wraiths, you're not running with them


Automatically Appended Next Post:
Idea for a Fluff-killer list:

2 Flyrants

3 Mucolids

D Lord w/phase shifter, warscythe, nightmare shroud, res orb
Orikan

10 warriors w/ghost ark
5 immortals w/night scythe

5 wraiths w/whip coils
6 wraiths w/whip coils
3 tomb blades w/Nebuloscopes, shield vanes

Go triple-flyrants or go home.

BTW, if you are running only 2 flyrants, then you need only run 2 mucolids.

Otherwise, it's a good list. Definitely more balanced than my own NecroNids.

 Tomb King wrote:
My turn 1 is rather uneventful. Necrons advance. Warriors disembark from their transport and Zandrekh + immortals get in.

Not sure if its been mentioned but this isnt allowed. Warriors only...

It's been mentioned.

 wuestenfux wrote:

 jy2 wrote:

thanatos67 wrote:
The hitch in that is I believe orikans reroll only affects models in his unit that have reanimation, which if you take something like cron cad+leviathan you won't have. If you can get it in decurion that'd work, but i think you suck up too many pts between making a functioning reclamation legion and all the points you have to dump in just to get access to orikan in the court+the harvest formation, and no destroyer lord. So you'd either roll with a bare bones reclamation legion or cut down to 2 flyrants.

Even if the unit does not have RP, Orikan is still useful. Don't forget that Orikan allows the unit to re-roll saves of '1'. Thus, put a D-lord in front and you have a 2+ re-rollable tank. Wraiths will basically have a 2+ save with the re-roll 1's. And he will still benefit your D-lord with 4+ RP at the very least.

Personally, in my NecroNid army, if I were to take Orikan, I'd drop some wraiths/whip coils instead. Or I just wouldn't run Orikan. Going to have to playtest him in my list.

I'd consider a Barge Lord instead of a Lord on foot.
With his increased mobility he could take on isolated units or tanks.

A CCB is good also, depending on the list. However, I've tried the bargelord already. For this game, I wanted to test out Zandrekh and his force-multiplying powers.

In a wraithwing list, one of my concerns is the VoF that many top tournament armies can put out (i.e. mechdar, Tau, etc.). Thus, I'm most likely going to keep my tanking D-lord for his unit buffing abilities as well as his ability to tank incoming shots.

You're right about the DLord.
He's one of the best HQs in the game for tanking wounds.
And he's not so slow as one might think.

 jy2 wrote:

 Tomb King wrote:
My turn 1 is rather uneventful. Necrons advance. Warriors disembark from their transport and Zandrekh + immortals get in.

Not sure if its been mentioned but this isnt allowed. Warriors only...

It's been mentioned.

Apologies then, also does killing the spyder remove the benefits or do they still last until the necron players next turn? It appears the game is closer then expected. You killed the solo imperial knight pretty easily though.

 jy2 wrote:

 y0disisray wrote:


For my next battle report, it will be exclusively for your blog.

Awesome!

His first turn drop pod was kind of a waste, he didn't gain much territory using where he did and he shot at a horrible target.

Really surprised you man handled his knight like that You must have rolled pretty hot on your rends, or he whiffed and your D lord punked it?

 Red Corsair wrote:
His first turn drop pod was kind of a waste, he didn't gain much territory using where he did and he shot at a horrible target.

Really surprised you man handled his knight like that You must have rolled pretty hot on your rends, or he whiffed and your D lord punked it?

Statistically, it's 2 HP off on the charge.

 Tomb King wrote:


Apologies then, also does killing the spyder remove the benefits or do they still last until the necron players next turn? It appears the game is closer then expected.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/635131.page

Some argue against them keeping it, but RAW it seems fairly clear it stays until their next movement phase.

Yep, in JY2's batrep, the Wraithstar should retain their Reanimation Protocols until the start of his next turn. Unless the necron player goes 2nd and gets alpha striked, the spyder will have done its job of making the wraiths nearly invulnerable to ranged weaponry for up to at least the start of the necron players' turn 3.

in your Test games JY have you noticed that your games go a lot longer? Played a couple times against the new necrons and I swear the games go 30 to 45 minutes longer. It feels like its because of all the extra RP saves and models not dieing as fast.

So by turn 3 or 4 there is still 30% more models on the board then what they used to be like.

I feel like im fighting many mini-screamerstars in a necron army, i let out a cheer everytime i remove a unit -_-

Ive changed my mind, take the fluffkillah, not newcrons, wraiths with triple rant are even too fab man.