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Ah, but my comment that the Dark Eldar are more evil was made while the thread was comparing to them to the Chaos Gods, not to the every day cultists.

If we're talking about cultists, then sure, they're on the same level... although Dark Eldar were under a lot less pressure when they chose Evil than the poor starving Cultists who had a choice between Death or Chaos.



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 Furyou Miko wrote:
Ah, but my comment that the Dark Eldar are more evil was made while the thread was comparing to them to the Chaos Gods, not to the every day cultists.

If we're talking about cultists, then sure, they're on the same level... although Dark Eldar were under a lot less pressure when they chose Evil than the poor starving Cultists who had a choice between Death or Chaos.


But not all cultists are like that, and Chaos Space Marines almost definitely didn't choose between death or Chaos. A lot of chaos followers turn to suit their own goals.

I still would say the Chaos Gods are evil, but I agree that the DE probably are more evil than them, yeah. But followers of chaos are just as bad as the DE.
   
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Then I believe we have reached an accord.



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 Furyou Miko wrote:
Then I believe we have reached an accord.


An accord! On the Internet!
   
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Don't die of shock or anything. Hehe.



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 ImAGeek wrote:
 Furyou Miko wrote:
ImAGeek wrote:Dark Eldar are evil by necessity, really. They're like predators feeding off prey. And they see themselves as higher than other species so it's okay to kill them, much like humans do with other species.


melkorthetonedeaf wrote:Would you say a lion is evil for mauling and eating the gazelle?


Except that you're both missing one very important thing. Dark Eldar aren't lions. Dark Eldar aren't predators by necessity.

Dark Eldar are sadists by choice. At any point, a Dark Eldar could decide: "Hey. I don't think being a vicious monster is the right thing to do any more!", and go and get a Waystone and convert to the Paths, and thus be protected against Slaanesh without having to do anything evil at all.

The Dark Eldar are the Eldar who looked at their lifestyle, looked at what it had created in Slaanesh, then looked at what the soon-to-be Craftworld Eldar were suggesting, and said: "Well, sure, abstinence could make things better for everyone... but I'm having way too much fun torturing people." and then carried on doing exactly what they were doing before.


And humans could become vegetarians and stop killing animals, but meat is delicious.


We could, but killing animals to live doesn't make us evil (Nor does it make the lion evil). We could, in theory find better sources of the nutrients we need and obtain from meat, but that doesn't inherently make us evil that we instead choose meat over those other sources due to it being more filling and flavorful. We kill them to survive. Intent is what makes one 'good' or 'evil'. Killing to survive does not make you evil. Killing for the sake of killing or for the twisted enjoyment or perverseness of it...makes you evil.

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Yeah, but DE get their sustenance from it, like we do from animals, so I'd say their intent is the same; to survive. Yes, they could survive in other ways (although I'm not actually sure; can a DE just up and join a Craftworld and get a spirit stone?) but so could we. So the intent isn't any different to us killing and eating animals. And the way we kill animals sometimes isn't much less than torture in itself. But we still do it.
   
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 ImAGeek wrote:
Yeah, but DE get their sustenance from it, like we do from animals, so I'd say their intent is the same; to survive. Yes, they could survive in other ways (although I'm not actually sure; can a DE just up and join a Craftworld and get a spirit stone?) but so could we. So the intent isn't any different to us killing and eating animals. And the way we kill animals sometimes isn't much less than torture in itself. But we still do it.


There is another difference. We kill humanely. As a species, we generally desire to end the lives of whatever we kill as quick, clean, and painless as possible. DE do not. They get a sick thrill out of prolonging your suffering. This is them as an entire SPECIES. You could argue some Humans do this too. But those are a very small percentage on the scale of Humanity. DE as a species get off on this, with maybe a small percentage that perhaps don't.

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 ImAGeek wrote:
Yeah, but DE get their sustenance from it, like we do from animals, so I'd say their intent is the same; to survive. Yes, they could survive in other ways (although I'm not actually sure; can a DE just up and join a Craftworld and get a spirit stone?) but so could we. So the intent isn't any different to us killing and eating animals. And the way we kill animals sometimes isn't much less than torture in itself. But we still do it.

Right, unless you only eat a carefully-balanced nutrient paste, don't come here pretending to be holy because others are eating unclean foods. Food is food. You are not good, and thus food you don't choose to eat is evil.

Melevolence wrote:There is another difference. We kill humanely. As a species, we generally desire to end the lives of whatever we kill as quick, clean, and painless as possible. DE do not. They get a sick thrill out of prolonging your suffering. This is them as an entire SPECIES.

But you're missing the point. The suffering IS what keeps them alive.

What you're asking for is akin to saying that people can eat meat, so long as you don't kill the cow.


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 Ailaros wrote:
 ImAGeek wrote:
Yeah, but DE get their sustenance from it, like we do from animals, so I'd say their intent is the same; to survive. Yes, they could survive in other ways (although I'm not actually sure; can a DE just up and join a Craftworld and get a spirit stone?) but so could we. So the intent isn't any different to us killing and eating animals. And the way we kill animals sometimes isn't much less than torture in itself. But we still do it.

Right, unless you only eat a carefully-balanced nutrient paste, don't come here pretending to be holy because others are eating unclean foods. Food is food. You are not good, and thus food you don't choose to eat is evil.

Melevolence wrote:There is another difference. We kill humanely. As a species, we generally desire to end the lives of whatever we kill as quick, clean, and painless as possible. DE do not. They get a sick thrill out of prolonging your suffering. This is them as an entire SPECIES.

But you're missing the point. The suffering IS what keeps them alive.

What you're asking for is akin to saying that people can eat meat, so long as you don't kill the cow.



Yeah exactly. The suffering is their sustenance, not just killing the 'food'. And to them, we/other species are literally just food. We raise chickens in cages marginally bigger than themselves where they live glued to the floor by their own excrement before having their throats cut and being boiled, because we see chickens as below us. It's the same with the DE.

I don't want to seem all preachy about animals or anything, I'm not even a vegetarian, but that's literally what happens.
   
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 Ailaros wrote:
 ImAGeek wrote:
Yeah, but DE get their sustenance from it, like we do from animals, so I'd say their intent is the same; to survive. Yes, they could survive in other ways (although I'm not actually sure; can a DE just up and join a Craftworld and get a spirit stone?) but so could we. So the intent isn't any different to us killing and eating animals. And the way we kill animals sometimes isn't much less than torture in itself. But we still do it.

Right, unless you only eat a carefully-balanced nutrient paste, don't come here pretending to be holy because others are eating unclean foods. Food is food. You are not good, and thus food you don't choose to eat is evil.

Melevolence wrote:There is another difference. We kill humanely. As a species, we generally desire to end the lives of whatever we kill as quick, clean, and painless as possible. DE do not. They get a sick thrill out of prolonging your suffering. This is them as an entire SPECIES.

But you're missing the point. The suffering IS what keeps them alive.

What you're asking for is akin to saying that people can eat meat, so long as you don't kill the cow.



I'll admit, I am not 100% educated on the DE. So I appreciate the clarification that suffering = food for them...somehow...cuz GW. But again, we go back to the statement I said before. DE enjoy the torture and murder of their 'food'. It's not like they feel badly about having to do what they do. I enjoy eating a steak, yes. But I for sure and gak don't feel good or get excited about the prospect of having to KILL the animal. DE don't feel remorse for the gratuitous and despicable way they choose live (Which from what I've gathered and no one has stated otherwise?)
   
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But you're happy for animals to be killed for you to eat that steak? Well to the DE, we are the cow. Why should they feel remorse? We're just an animal.
   
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If I remember right, Dark Eldar are the way they are because of their choice correct? That's why there still are regular Eldar.

Chaos Space Marines seem to be that sort of renegade people, who don't like the way the Emperor is running things so they go and do their own thing. To be honest, Khorne berserkers is one thing, decimating people in combat, while the DE not only do that but capture, torture and rape. They want to hurt you in every way. Idk about Nurgle or Tzee, but I know the DE created a whole new Chaos god by themselves..and they still don't turn away from their mistakes.

All in all, I think DE are more evil. Chaos marines are just marines living their life in a different way imo

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 ImAGeek wrote:
But you're happy for animals to be killed for you to eat that steak? Well to the DE, we are the cow. Why should they feel remorse? We're just an animal.


I didn't say I was happy the animals die. Where did you read that? I don't like that life had to end to keep life going. But that is nature. I don't expect the DE to feel remorse for surviving. But there is a difference between simply not feeling remorse for having to kill in order to survive and getting SADISTIC GLEE out of their killing. For them, they get more out of the deaths of their 'prey' than simple survival. It arouses them.

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 KingCorpus wrote:
If I remember right, Dark Eldar are the way they are because of their choice correct? That's why there still are regular Eldar.

Chaos Space Marines seem to be that sort of renegade people, who don't like the way the Emperor is running things so they go and do their own thing. To be honest, Khorne berserkers is one thing, decimating people in combat, while the DE not only do that but capture, torture and rape. They want to hurt you in every way. Idk about Nurgle or Tzee, but I know the DE created a whole new Chaos god by themselves..and they still don't turn away from their mistakes.

All in all, I think DE are more evil. Chaos marines are just marines living their life in a different way imo


Renegade Space Marines don't like the way the Emperor (well, the Council of Terra) is running things, Chaos Space Marines actively worship the chaos gods and kill in their names. Big difference between 'marines living their lives in a different way' and Chaos Space Marines.

And the Dar Eldar didn't create Slaanesh. The Eldar race as a whole did.


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Melevolence wrote:
 ImAGeek wrote:
But you're happy for animals to be killed for you to eat that steak? Well to the DE, we are the cow. Why should they feel remorse? We're just an animal.


I didn't say I was happy the animals die. Where did you read that? I don't like that life had to end to keep life going. But that is nature. I don't expect the DE to feel remorse for surviving. But there is a difference between simply not feeling remorse for having to kill in order to survive and getting SADISTIC GLEE out of their killing. For them, they get more out of the deaths of their 'prey' than simple survival. It arouses them.


My point is, if you were really unhappy about animals dying, you wouldn't eat meat. You have a similar choice that the DE do. And I know for a fact there's lots of people out there who get sadistic glee out of killing animals.

DE aren't that much more evil than us. I guess the difference being that every single one of them gets pleasure for it where as some humans do, but I think that's more to do with the Eldar psyche than anything. They feel emotion much much stronger than us, so any kind of glee they get is addictive to them. And like I've said, to them, were the animals. It's not that much different a relationship to the one we have with prey animals, in my opinion.

I do see what you're saying though. I just think the human race can be pretty messed up too, and calling them evil for the way they survive when we can be just as barbaric seems almost hypocritical.

Of course, all this would change if I was captured by them...

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What is evil is purely opinion and is really just semantics.

Genetic modification of human dna is considered evil by some.

Maybe chaos is just trying to defend the warp from the emperor.

Some see genocide as evil, others think of it as a solution.

Orkz think might makes right and is the proppa way to do things. So any other for of rule in an ork society would be.. Tyranny? If, suddenly, a weak ork found a way to rule the strong then wouldn't the orkz do the opposite of riot and rise up to overthrow such evil?

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 ImAGeek wrote:
 KingCorpus wrote:
If I remember right, Dark Eldar are the way they are because of their choice correct? That's why there still are regular Eldar.

Chaos Space Marines seem to be that sort of renegade people, who don't like the way the Emperor is running things so they go and do their own thing. To be honest, Khorne berserkers is one thing, decimating people in combat, while the DE not only do that but capture, torture and rape. They want to hurt you in every way. Idk about Nurgle or Tzee, but I know the DE created a whole new Chaos god by themselves..and they still don't turn away from their mistakes.

All in all, I think DE are more evil. Chaos marines are just marines living their life in a different way imo


Renegade Space Marines don't like the way the Emperor (well, the Council of Terra) is running things, Chaos Space Marines actively worship the chaos gods and kill in their names. Big difference between 'marines living their lives in a different way' and Chaos Space Marines.

And the Dar Eldar didn't create Slaanesh. The Eldar race as a whole did.


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Melevolence wrote:
 ImAGeek wrote:
But you're happy for animals to be killed for you to eat that steak? Well to the DE, we are the cow. Why should they feel remorse? We're just an animal.


I didn't say I was happy the animals die. Where did you read that? I don't like that life had to end to keep life going. But that is nature. I don't expect the DE to feel remorse for surviving. But there is a difference between simply not feeling remorse for having to kill in order to survive and getting SADISTIC GLEE out of their killing. For them, they get more out of the deaths of their 'prey' than simple survival. It arouses them.


My point is, if you were really unhappy about animals dying, you wouldn't eat meat. You have a similar choice that the DE do. And I know for a fact there's lots of people out there who get sadistic glee out of killing animals.

DE aren't that much more evil than us. I guess the difference being that every single one of them gets pleasure for it where as some humans do, but I think that's more to do with the Eldar psyche than anything. They feel emotion much much stronger than us, so any kind of glee they get is addictive to them. And like I've said, to them, were the animals. It's not that much different a relationship to the one we have with prey animals, in my opinion.

I do see what you're saying though. I just think the human race can be pretty messed up too, and calling them evil for the way they survive when we can be just as barbaric seems almost hypocritical.

Of course, all this would change if I was captured by them...


Me not eating meat doesn't mean animals won't die. Your point is not a point at all. And I already addressed that there are exceptions to the rules in terms of us Humans getting glee out of killing. I stated the vast majority of Human kind does not enjoy the thought/act of ending life. Just like I'm sure there may be a small minority of DE who don't enjoy killing, but the MAJORITY of their race DOES enjoy it. The Dark Eldar are essentially stark opposites of what makes us Human.

Also, I could find alternatives to eating meat. But once again, I address this. Me NOT eating the meat won't make a cow suddenly not become a bunch of steaks. I accept that animals must die in order for other animals to survive. It's how nature works. But we as Humans are different than run of the mill animals in the fact that we exhibit emotions. We can feel. Animals are hardwired not to feel any remorse for killing their prey. We are not hardwired in such a way. Look at the Native Americans, who basically considered animals to be brethren, and would often make sure no part of the animal went to waste in order to ensure their death was not in vain in any way. Your logic on this matter is a little skewed. Dark Eldar, as we know them, have the ability to change. They are not hardwired to be sadistic fethers. They simply love what they do. That's why they do it and choose not to change. They are evil. Me eating a steak and feeling bad about the loss of life in exchange does not make me evil.

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KingCorpus wrote:Chaos marines are just marines living their life in a different way imo

Well, as I said, chaos is a very large tent. For every libertarian revolutionary there's probably a cultist devoted to tentacle rape because the voices in his head told him it would please the gods. If you wanted to say which is more evil, on average, then maybe DE, but if you're just looking at whose worse is worst, then it's probably CSM.




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Melevolence wrote:
 ImAGeek wrote:
 KingCorpus wrote:
If I remember right, Dark Eldar are the way they are because of their choice correct? That's why there still are regular Eldar.

Chaos Space Marines seem to be that sort of renegade people, who don't like the way the Emperor is running things so they go and do their own thing. To be honest, Khorne berserkers is one thing, decimating people in combat, while the DE not only do that but capture, torture and rape. They want to hurt you in every way. Idk about Nurgle or Tzee, but I know the DE created a whole new Chaos god by themselves..and they still don't turn away from their mistakes.

All in all, I think DE are more evil. Chaos marines are just marines living their life in a different way imo


Renegade Space Marines don't like the way the Emperor (well, the Council of Terra) is running things, Chaos Space Marines actively worship the chaos gods and kill in their names. Big difference between 'marines living their lives in a different way' and Chaos Space Marines.

And the Dar Eldar didn't create Slaanesh. The Eldar race as a whole did.


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Melevolence wrote:
 ImAGeek wrote:
But you're happy for animals to be killed for you to eat that steak? Well to the DE, we are the cow. Why should they feel remorse? We're just an animal.


I didn't say I was happy the animals die. Where did you read that? I don't like that life had to end to keep life going. But that is nature. I don't expect the DE to feel remorse for surviving. But there is a difference between simply not feeling remorse for having to kill in order to survive and getting SADISTIC GLEE out of their killing. For them, they get more out of the deaths of their 'prey' than simple survival. It arouses them.


My point is, if you were really unhappy about animals dying, you wouldn't eat meat. You have a similar choice that the DE do. And I know for a fact there's lots of people out there who get sadistic glee out of killing animals.

DE aren't that much more evil than us. I guess the difference being that every single one of them gets pleasure for it where as some humans do, but I think that's more to do with the Eldar psyche than anything. They feel emotion much much stronger than us, so any kind of glee they get is addictive to them. And like I've said, to them, were the animals. It's not that much different a relationship to the one we have with prey animals, in my opinion.

I do see what you're saying though. I just think the human race can be pretty messed up too, and calling them evil for the way they survive when we can be just as barbaric seems almost hypocritical.

Of course, all this would change if I was captured by them...


Me not eating meat doesn't mean animals won't die. Your point is not a point at all. And I already addressed that there are exceptions to the rules in terms of us Humans getting glee out of killing. I stated the vast majority of Human kind does not enjoy the thought of ending life. Just like I'm sure there may be a small minority of DE who don't enjoy killing, but the MAJORITY of their race DOES enjoy it. The Dark Eldar are essentially stark opposites of what makes us Human.

Also, I could find alternatives to eating meat. But once again, I address this. Me NOT eating the meat won't make a cow suddenly not become a bunch of steaks. I accept that animals must die in order for other animals to survive. It's how nature works. But we as Humans are different than run of the mill animals in the fact that we exhibit emotions. We can feel. Animals are hardwired not to feel any remorse for killing their prey. We are not hardwired in such a way. Look at the Native Americans, who basically considered animals to be brethren, and would often make sure no part of the animal went to waste in order to ensure their death was not in vain in any way. Your logic on this matter is a little skewed. Dark Eldar, as we know them, have the ability to change. They are not hardwired to be sadistic fethers. They simply love what they do. That's why they do it and choose not to change. They are evil. Me eating a steak and feeling bad about the loss of life in exchange does not make me evil.


Yeah. You're right. My view on the human race is skewed currently for reasons I won't go into but having seen how evil people can be recently has jaded me a little to humanity.

However. I wouldn't say DE are more evil than your average Slaanesh worshipper
   
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 Scott-S6 wrote:
And yet another thread is hijacked for Unit to ask for the same advice, receive the same answers and make the same excuses.

Oh my god I'm becoming martel.
Send help!

 
   
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 ImAGeek wrote:
Melevolence wrote:
 ImAGeek wrote:
 KingCorpus wrote:
If I remember right, Dark Eldar are the way they are because of their choice correct? That's why there still are regular Eldar.

Chaos Space Marines seem to be that sort of renegade people, who don't like the way the Emperor is running things so they go and do their own thing. To be honest, Khorne berserkers is one thing, decimating people in combat, while the DE not only do that but capture, torture and rape. They want to hurt you in every way. Idk about Nurgle or Tzee, but I know the DE created a whole new Chaos god by themselves..and they still don't turn away from their mistakes.

All in all, I think DE are more evil. Chaos marines are just marines living their life in a different way imo


Renegade Space Marines don't like the way the Emperor (well, the Council of Terra) is running things, Chaos Space Marines actively worship the chaos gods and kill in their names. Big difference between 'marines living their lives in a different way' and Chaos Space Marines.

And the Dar Eldar didn't create Slaanesh. The Eldar race as a whole did.


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Melevolence wrote:
 ImAGeek wrote:
But you're happy for animals to be killed for you to eat that steak? Well to the DE, we are the cow. Why should they feel remorse? We're just an animal.


I didn't say I was happy the animals die. Where did you read that? I don't like that life had to end to keep life going. But that is nature. I don't expect the DE to feel remorse for surviving. But there is a difference between simply not feeling remorse for having to kill in order to survive and getting SADISTIC GLEE out of their killing. For them, they get more out of the deaths of their 'prey' than simple survival. It arouses them.


My point is, if you were really unhappy about animals dying, you wouldn't eat meat. You have a similar choice that the DE do. And I know for a fact there's lots of people out there who get sadistic glee out of killing animals.

DE aren't that much more evil than us. I guess the difference being that every single one of them gets pleasure for it where as some humans do, but I think that's more to do with the Eldar psyche than anything. They feel emotion much much stronger than us, so any kind of glee they get is addictive to them. And like I've said, to them, were the animals. It's not that much different a relationship to the one we have with prey animals, in my opinion.

I do see what you're saying though. I just think the human race can be pretty messed up too, and calling them evil for the way they survive when we can be just as barbaric seems almost hypocritical.

Of course, all this would change if I was captured by them...


Me not eating meat doesn't mean animals won't die. Your point is not a point at all. And I already addressed that there are exceptions to the rules in terms of us Humans getting glee out of killing. I stated the vast majority of Human kind does not enjoy the thought of ending life. Just like I'm sure there may be a small minority of DE who don't enjoy killing, but the MAJORITY of their race DOES enjoy it. The Dark Eldar are essentially stark opposites of what makes us Human.

Also, I could find alternatives to eating meat. But once again, I address this. Me NOT eating the meat won't make a cow suddenly not become a bunch of steaks. I accept that animals must die in order for other animals to survive. It's how nature works. But we as Humans are different than run of the mill animals in the fact that we exhibit emotions. We can feel. Animals are hardwired not to feel any remorse for killing their prey. We are not hardwired in such a way. Look at the Native Americans, who basically considered animals to be brethren, and would often make sure no part of the animal went to waste in order to ensure their death was not in vain in any way. Your logic on this matter is a little skewed. Dark Eldar, as we know them, have the ability to change. They are not hardwired to be sadistic fethers. They simply love what they do. That's why they do it and choose not to change. They are evil. Me eating a steak and feeling bad about the loss of life in exchange does not make me evil.


Yeah. You're right. My view on the human race is skewed currently for reasons I won't go into but having seen how evil people can be recently has jaded me a little to humanity.

However. I wouldn't say DE are more evil than your average Slaanesh worshipper


Oh absolutely, I'm not arguing that DE are the most evil, just that these bastards are really fethed up, period. But yeah. I'd lean on Chaos being theoretically more evil. I suppose when it boils down to it, it depends on which agents for chaos we are talking about. For example, how Nurgle actually does care about his minions, and thinks that spreading disease around is for the better of all things living. To take away their pain. But then you have Khorne, who just wants you to kill everyone and everything all because he wants you to...no real reason other than...give me blood because reasons. Slaanesh of course is just twisted beyond all doubt, feeding on all the darkness in everyone's souls. Etc, etc.
   
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Chaos is more evil just due to the fact that their own morale code labels them as such. They act against this moral system and against the interests of the survival of their own species.

Dark Eldar are not actually "evil" if viewed from the moral perspective of the dark eldar (or really from the pre fall eldar perspective). Thus their level of evil is entirely subjective to the perspective. The torture from a human perspective is evil, but from their perspective is the same as frying ants using a magnifying glass. You don't call a boy frying ants evil or a chef chopping broccoli evil despite both of these killing and causing pain to their subjects. This is because your moral system is human centered. It is also amusing that the dark eldar always get brought up and the craftworlders always get a pass when the craftworld eldar have caused the deaths of thousands of times more humans than the dark eldar.

Interestingly enough from a purely who kills the most sentient beings and who causes the most sentient being to suffer it is the Imperium of Man in the year 40K and in this galaxy. The Tyranids however take the top spot hands down, they have multiple galaxies to answer for.
   
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My Marines Malevolent...hell its even in their name, evil with a purpose..the ends justify the means.

I even started them to use as a "bad guy" force in a narrative campaign..I always thought the hazard striping they put on some of their gear is a warning sign to other imperials. lol

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Maybe DE are neutral evil and Chaos are ummmm.... chaotic evil.

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 ImAGeek wrote:
Yeah, but DE get their sustenance from it, like we do from animals, so I'd say their intent is the same; to survive. Yes, they could survive in other ways (although I'm not actually sure; can a DE just up and join a Craftworld and get a spirit stone?) but so could we. So the intent isn't any different to us killing and eating animals. And the way we kill animals sometimes isn't much less than torture in itself. But we still do it.


Actually, I don't think they could just get a spirit stone, or rather, that it would matter. Unless they spent an untold amount of time afterwards following the paths and proving themselves to be seperate from their previous wys. Even then, its likely that their soul would be deemed too tainted for assimilation into the Infinity Circuit, and possibly too tainted still to be placed in a wraithbone construct. So taking that avenue would almost assure the Dark Eldar in question that death would mean their soul would be locked away from everything either eternally or until the stone is broken. Neither are pleasant outcomes.
   
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 Desubot wrote:
the most evil is the one you face. since its always from your factions POV.


The most evil is murderface. And he's chaotic.
   
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 koooaei wrote:
 Desubot wrote:
the most evil is the one you face. since its always from your factions POV.


The most evil is murderface. And he's chaotic.


Isnt murderface a sw dread?

 Unit1126PLL wrote:
 Scott-S6 wrote:
And yet another thread is hijacked for Unit to ask for the same advice, receive the same answers and make the same excuses.

Oh my god I'm becoming martel.
Send help!

 
   
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 Desubot wrote:
 koooaei wrote:
 Desubot wrote:
the most evil is the one you face. since its always from your factions POV.


The most evil is murderface. And he's chaotic.


Isnt murderface a sw dread?


Eh, SW are a step away from being full blown Furrie-I mean Slaanesh worshippers

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This is Warhammer. Chaos is about as evil as the Dark Eldar and they're all roughly equal to every other faction in the setting.

You're playing a tabletop wargame. Every faction is an donkey-cave.

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