Forum adverts like this one are shown to any user who is not logged in. Join us by filling out a tiny 3 field form and you will get your own, free, dakka user account which gives a good range of benefits to you: No adverts like this in the forums anymore. Times and dates in your local timezone. Full tracking of what you have read so you can skip to your first unread post, easily see what has changed since you last logged in, and easily see what is new at a glance. Email notifications for threads you want to watch closely. Being a part of the oldest wargaming community on the net. If you are already a member then feel free to login now.

LVO also nerfed invisibility and 2+ rerollable saves making most tarpits less durable. Sure harvest detschment wraiths can be durable but they have low offensive and low model count and die to weight of atks espeically once the spyder dies and the str 10 reroll to hit and wound warboss gets into combat.

 koooaei wrote:

 Dozer Blades wrote:
Wait til you run up against an army that can out assault you... And they are out there .

I'm not sure on what can more or less reliably kill enough boyz in mellee other than superheavies/gargants lucky with stomps. Maybe just wraiths + lots of flayed ones assaulting from all dirctions. Tarpit - yes, but out-assault...

Would be interesting to find out, eh.

I'll give you guys a tiny little hint.

You know one army that flat out assaults better then mine?

Another bigger, meaner, greener green tide - especially, in, say, a killpoint mission....

Are you kidding me you ended up playing another green tide? I would never have guessed that pairing.how long did that battle take? How many greentides could their possibly be at lov? It's not like Orks are a popular competitive choice lol. I'd like to see an ork list make the top 8 but that's a tough hill to climb with 256+ players and ork players facing each other.

Another green tide list? You must of inspired 'em with this thread!

Are you Matt Root?

Yeah! I'm also really curious to know! I've been following this thread for a long time! Go Orks!

good job matt

Not to spoil anything, but Fxeni is currently kicking a$$ with his orks.

Did you play him jy2?
If you did, who's thread will the bat rep go on?

Omg Matt got 9th place and just missed the championship round for the top 8 :(
Congrats Matt for showing people orks are competitive.

Top Standings are up. Top 8:

Nanavati: Daemons/Inq
Nick Rose: Marines/BA
Tyler DeVries: Eldar
Vincente Arroyo: CSM/Daemons
Steve Sisk: SM/IK
Nayden: Tyranids/Tyranids
Aaron Albert: GK/SM
Geoff Thompson: Wolves/AM

And 9th place- Matt Root: ork/ork

Matt lost top 8 by ONE point !

Deshkar wrote:
Matt lost top 8 by ONE point !

I saw that crazy. There is only 3 undefeated players in the top 8. A very good chance the eventual winner won't be undefeated and the entire top 10 is completely diversified between many different codexs. Tau placed 10th.

I can't wait to see matts battle rep vs pj pants the one game he lost vs a tyranid and demon list with 3 tyrants, lord of change, fateweaver and another demon prince.

Sounds like people weren't happy about the void shield on the green tide lol.
You were the only ork player to make the top 50 lol. AMazing gratz

Deshkar wrote:
Matt lost top 8 by ONE point !

That's so close. You have my sympathy Fxeni...

Great job Fxeni! You made all of us ork players proud! I just hope you took lots of pics and make great batreps hehe...

That's super high nonetheless! 8-9-10, who cares?! Orks are rokkin' - that's the most important thing.

 koooaei wrote:
That's super high nonetheless! 8-9-10, who cares?! Orks are rokkin' - that's the most important thing.

Naw its great however the top 8 play 3 rounds again today in a single elimination tournament to determine the final champion.

 grendel083 wrote:

Sketchyfk wrote:
I contacted the GW store in edinburgh.

Unfortunately they have as much rules knowledge as you or I, and the same amount of authority outside their store (ie: none).
GW store staff aren't given any rules training or any greater insight.

Yeah, if you and another player start arguing over a rule in a game, GW store staff are told to tell the two of you as players to roll off on it. The staff are not there to be rules lawyers. GW is pretty strong on their "we are a miniature company first, and then a gaming company"

And it shows, especially when you try to play games with certain models..

Woof! Man, what a long three days. Lotta ups, a lotta downs. The tournament was overall pretty fun, and I was busy as hell with the games, but I got a fair number of pictures for all 9 of my games!

I have finals coming up in a couple days, so it won't be until later this week that you guys will see the first battle report! So stay tuned!

 Fxeni wrote:
So stay tuned!

Looking forward to it

We're your fans.

Maybe I'm just a pessimist, and I don't really follow tournaments that closely, so feel free to discount me for saying this,

buuuuuuuuut.......

Isn't this proof that orks aren't competitive? At best, it's proof that orks aren't quite as uncompetitive as people like me give them credit for, but still orks got completely shut out by the big dogs - eldar, SM, demons, knights, hell even tyranids.

I mean, cheering on orks for not being utterly curb-stomped seems somewhat hollow, at best.

Nothing against the guy for playing orks at a very competitive tournament - I'm sure a green tide in a timed format was difficult, and I appreciate the effort, and a good showing at that. I'd love to see your final list and general tactics for pointers, incidentally.

But.....orks doing better than expected clearly doesn't mean they're doing well, competitively.

Well being in the top 4% is hardly bad especially since crons and plenty of others didn't make the cut. Also it's time people realized nids are top tier. 15 pt compulsory choices and under costed greater daemon equivalents do that I guess.

I think it shows a lot. Like other seventh edition codices Orks can't play at their full potential at events that have highly restricted FOC.

That's a good point, necrons didn't make it at all. That is surprising.

And when tyranids came out, I doubt anyone would have expected being competitive, much less winning it all. So maybe it'll get better.

Anyone know of a list of all the armies and their rankings? I only was able to find the top 8.

 Kap'n Krump wrote:
Anyone know of a list of all the armies and their rankings? I only was able to find the top 8.

I think this is what you're looking for:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1jCcVilaW2pvunF-UlbM67ah0tDDBIc2u4PeT1klO6dk/edit?pli=1#gid=1482831394

Edit: The above link shows the standings BEFORE the top 8 played single-elimination games to determine the ultimate winner: 'Nids (#windowlictors, if we're adopting the new hashtag).

I don't think he meant to show Orks as the most competitve army just that they can be competitve. The next closest ork player was ranked 67. And ork players as a whole was 6x less popular then eldar or space marine lists.

He just missed top8 by 1 point and at that point there was only 3 undefeated lists. this tournament had the most attendees and had nearly every major 40k player in attendance. Multiple gt winners, and winners from all over even from Europe. Also remember this he went 5-1 with his Orks and not a single person at this event went undefeated, even the eventual winner who played tyranids lost a game in the qualifier. Although he faced the same guy in the top 8 and won that game.

During round 5 fxeni greentide list was the highest ranked list. This tournament allowed all forgeworld and most lord of war options. Neither of which had any real effect on the final results. But he faced some serious competition and experienced players. I don't think you can discount how well he placed based on he didn't get curb stomped.

Saying that I don't think anyone disagrees with you that Orks are not the most competitve choice either. Just because 1 formation is decent doesn't make it a great codex. Heck CSM w demon allies made it to the top 8 and csm are not the greatest either.


Automatically Appended Next Post:

 Kap'n Krump wrote:
That's a good point, necrons didn't make it at all. That is surprising.

And when tyranids came out, I doubt anyone would have expected being competitive, much less winning it all. So maybe it'll get better.

Anyone know of a list of all the armies and their rankings? I only was able to find the top 8.

I think flyrants were the most popular choice
however the eventual tyranid winner lost to eldar in the championship qualifier.
He barely beat a chaos demon list in the top 8, the tyranid player and demon player tied on points but the tyranid player killed some summoned units and got extra points. The demon player also placed a self restriction on himself not to use fateweavers rerolls because when those two players faced off a year earlier at another gt the demon player mistaking used a rule to his advantage.
IMHO demons, eldar, or tyranids could have easily won the entire tourny it was that close.

My mistake, I thought I saw something that said nids won overall.

Incidentally, according to Dcannon's link, the winner was a demon/inquisition army? that's an odd alliance.

Dcannon link is the correct standing of everyone that attended after 2 days and 6 games.

The top 8 ranked players then went onto a single elimination championship round. Out of those top 8 only 3 were still undefeated. The other 5 lost but were ranked by points scored during their matches. Fexni and his orcs were ranked ninth, one shy of 8th.

A single tyrrnid player made it into the top 8 with one loss and won his next three games to win the entire tournament.

 Kap'n Krump wrote:
My mistake, I thought I saw something that said nids won overall.

Incidentally, according to Dcannon's link, the winner was a demon/inquisition army? that's an odd alliance.

Nids won overall. The demon/inquisition list was the top seed after games 1-6 before the single elimination finals for the top 8.

This is a great example of someone building a good list and playing well.

As opposed to people listening to the oppinion of the Internet and not bothering.

"Orks aren't competitive! The Internet told me so! So I'll not compete with them!"

They don't hit the top 10 often, because no one tries properly. Glad to see someone is!