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Doesn't the Blood Angels codex say 'Codex: Adeptus Astartes - Blood Angels' on it?

If we are lucky the GW 30k release will be the relaunch of epic with a siege of the emperors palace box set. Now that would be 'epic' lol ;-p

 ImAGeek wrote:
Doesn't the Blood Angels codex say 'Codex: Adeptus Astartes - Blood Angels' on it?

Yep, Blood Angels were the first Marine Codex to be rebranded to Adeptus Astartes.

drbored wrote:
Or are people just talking about something totally different and I'm just more confused than I thought I was?

That.

 MajorStoffer wrote:
This, of course, wasn't always the case, with things like Drop Pods, most Leman Russ variants and such being FW originally, but for years GW has avoided, at all costs, making FW models into plastic, and since Chapterhouse, has stripped what FW profiles existed in codexes (Guard artillery). This would be a big change in direction for them if true, and flies in the face of an established precedent in a company which loathes change (especially change which might make them money).

HOWEVER, if Whisperer is accurate, the new models are kind of a generic "old armor" and not duplicates of a particular mark. That would leave FW firmly in control of the proper marks and all the associated upgrades and accessories. And all the vehicles and special units, of course. Some people will still buy the resin marks. Personally, I'm a Mk. 4 Maximus devotee.

I know there's chatter about GW potentially stifling FW's growth by this move. But IMO, they'd be giving 30K and FW some things that would figure to accelerate growth -- a bonafide gateway in the form of a boxed set and a *much* lower entry cost in the form of plastic infantry. There's no question that FW's prices keep some people away -- either completely or by driving them to procure their minis from other sources.

And hell, you could also just buy the old armor and use them as or in a 40K army. It'll be interesting to see how this all shakes out, but as of now I think this appears to be a pretty smart move without a lot of downside for GW.

I'm still not seeing this happening anytime soon. FW is in the middle of their HH project, so it would be very...very odd if GW would all of a sudden pop in and take over.

As for the prices, FW and GW aren't that much different anymore...

UNCLEBADTOUCH wrote:
If we are lucky the GW 30k release will be the relaunch of epic with a siege of the emperors palace box set. Now that would be 'epic' lol ;-p

If only !

 Malika2 wrote:
I'm still not seeing this happening anytime soon. FW is in the middle of their HH project, so it would be very...very odd if GW would all of a sudden pop in and take over.

As for the prices, FW and GW aren't that much different anymore...

Five HH tactical marines plus bolters will run you 35 pounds, or about $56. So that's 70/$112 for a 10-man squad before any legion-specific upgrades. If you want a full squad of 20 (30K tac squads go up to 20), you're looking at 140/$224.

QUITE a bit different than GW pricing, and definitely not for everyone.

And again...this doesn't have to mean "GW taking over 30K."

What I can see happening is a new armor mark getting released.

It would be the perfect opportunity to introduce a new armor alongside some naughty and nice bits for the Adeptus Mechanicus, right?

 Malika2 wrote:
I'm still not seeing this happening anytime soon. FW is in the middle of their HH project, so it would be very...very odd if GW would all of a sudden pop in and take over.

As for the prices, FW and GW aren't that much different anymore...

Oh are they?

Cadian command FW: 30 GBP
Cadian command GW: 15 GBP

Chimera: 22 GBP
Trojan artillery traktor: 42 GBP

(C)SM squad (10 guys with weapons and stuff): 23-25 GBP
any 5 mark-armors (without weapons): 23 GBP

Predator (GW): 35
Predator (FW): 51

Baneblade: 85
Fellblade: 164

Huh, looks like FW is pretty much a whole 100% more expensive than GW, across the line. And GW is pretty expensive to begin with.

Most things FW is still more expensive, but when you look at some of the characters and stuff the gap closes. 2 apothecaries are like £22/24 and one Sanguinary Priest is £18. But the majority of stuff is like you say, nearly double if not there.

I would be very happy with plastic HH armour. However I would rather seperate kits for the different Mks like FW do, just because that way if you want to do mono armour squads/forces, you could, and you could still mix and match between different kits. However that would be like 5 plastic kits so I don't see it happening.

Regarding the FW vs GW price thing, remember that for Australia, FW can even be cheaper. Also, many of the newest plastic characters GW is selling at $30 each are more expensive than some of the FW characters. We can all cherry pick examples for each side of it, so it's really kind of a moot point.

Anyway, a thought occurred to me about the idea of GW releasing a box of plastic 30K marines. They still sell the Armour Through the Ages set. They could easily just do a plastic version of it with two models each for Marks 2-6, and still call it Armour Through the Ages with a nudge and a wink to 30K.

One cannot but help note that if they have plastic "masters" of older forms of armour then it would be much easier to, say, redo certain marine legions from that era that might not have updated their armour for various reasons, in plastic as well.

Eventually.

 reds8n wrote:
One cannot but help note that if they have plastic "masters" of older forms of armour then it would be much easier to, say, redo certain marine legions from that era that might not have updated their armour for various reasons, in plastic as well.

Eventually.

Don't start dreaming of new Chaos Marine kits, especially not armor with even the tiniest nod to the old legions.

Hope is the first step on the road to disappointment.

Who knows?

You might be...pleasantly surprised?

 Tannhauser42 wrote:
Regarding the FW vs GW price thing, remember that for Australia, FW can even be cheaper.

Must... resist... stupid upside-down joke... must.... nngggghhhh...

Maybe it will look like this???

You're a few pages late for the hulkbuster iron man joke party.

 gorgon wrote:

Five HH tactical marines plus bolters will run you 35 pounds, or about $56

For a moment there I thought you were still on the Epic tack from the previous post.

And I wasn't surprised.

 Kosake wrote:

 Malika2 wrote:
I'm still not seeing this happening anytime soon. FW is in the middle of their HH project, so it would be very...very odd if GW would all of a sudden pop in and take over.

As for the prices, FW and GW aren't that much different anymore...

Oh are they?

Cadian command FW: 30 GBP
Cadian command GW: 15 GBP

Chimera: 22 GBP
Trojan artillery traktor: 42 GBP

(C)SM squad (10 guys with weapons and stuff): 23-25 GBP
any 5 mark-armors (without weapons): 23 GBP

Predator (GW): 35
Predator (FW): 51

Baneblade: 85
Fellblade: 164

Huh, looks like FW is pretty much a whole 100% more expensive than GW, across the line. And GW is pretty expensive to begin with.

Even excluding the price difference of the product line, there's the shipping -- and then, HUGE import duties and customs handling for some International customers.

 Rayvon wrote:

UNCLEBADTOUCH wrote:
If we are lucky the GW 30k release will be the relaunch of epic with a siege of the emperors palace box set. Now that would be 'epic' lol ;-p

If only !

I will third that sentiment.

 reds8n wrote:
One cannot but help note that if they have plastic "masters" of older forms of armour then it would be much easier to, say, redo certain marine legions from that era that might not have updated their armour for various reasons, in plastic as well.

Eventually.

Never gonna happen. Didn't you get the memo? All the Chaos legions are gone and there are only warbands now. And the warbands are all renegades with Mk 7 armor only. And also autocannons because reasons. And the only ones with pre-Heresy armor are loyalists because more reasons. So let it be written, so let it be done.

Am I the only one here that thinks Mark VII is pretty good looking? I like some of the older marks, particularly Mark III, but I'm comfortable with VII being the standard currently.

I can't imagine what 40k would look like if it did end up going through what they say is coming for fantasy. The only thing I can assume is that there will be Mark IX! Maybe.

 Dentry wrote:
Am I the only one here that thinks Mark VII is pretty good looking? I like some of the older marks, particularly Mark III, but I'm comfortable with VII being the standard currently.

I can't imagine what 40k would look like if it did end up going through what they say is coming for fantasy. The only thing I can assume is that there will be Mark IX! Maybe.

Oh, I do rather like good old MkVII, it's iconic, clean and a good canvas for building on. I'm just hoping this rumour does in fact turn out to be a HH release from GW proper, in plastic, as that would make getting into it sooo much easier. If I could buy the basic squads in plastic and only have to go FW for rare/Legion-specific stuff, then that would be awesome.

And as said, it would provide a lot for 40k SM and CSM players as well. Other than pricing, there's no way this could really go wrong; tried tested and true designs that people already buy in resin, shift them to plastic and half the cost providing something for 3 different types of gamer (30k, CSM, SM), make profit by the ton.

But this is GW we're talking about....

Maybe they plan a end of times for 40K also?

the problem i have with this design


is that it is too anime.looks fitting for Infinity.
I think it will be this;
Adeptus Astartes monsters, Gotta catch 'm all!

Hastings has shot down the End Times idea over on Warseer:

Hastings wrote:Oh, and just for the record AFAIK there's no 40k end times. 40k remains as is.

Lords of Wargaming just shot down the armor being HH related:

Lords of Wargaming wrote:Plastic HH marks of armor in May? You're way off!

Yes, leads would be infinitely preferable to Finecast.

 Azreal13 wrote:
Yes, leads would be infinitely preferable to Finecast.

Well played there, well played indeed!

Hastings is saying he's willing to bet with Lords of Wargaming over the "no plastic 30k" thing though.

So this should be interesting.

 ClockworkZion wrote:
Hastings has shot down the End Times idea over on Warseer:

Hastings wrote:Oh, and just for the record AFAIK there's no 40k end times. 40k remains as is.

Good. For a second there I thought Nid players were about to get allies.

But I still get my Isaac Clarke Mk IX armor, right?

I don't have anything on the Mk IX. If the Ad Mech rumors are true I'm more willing to bet it's tied to that instead.