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 mattyrm wrote:


I keep saying it, I honestly believe they should save their ire for obviously and aggressively anti-women policies instead of picking of bloody hobbies. It comes up every time we talk about it on dakka dakka, I just think if they spent more time talking about the wage gap and less time dripping about books, or comics, or minis, or Princess getting rescued off Mario, then maybe important gak would actually get done.

There are different types of feminists. Good feminist work isn't discussed in public for the most part because people just don't care. Female circumsion, status of women in the Middle East, forced prostitution, divorce court law etc. all that stuff isn't as "catchy" as "ZOMG THAT FICTIONAL STORY IS SUPPORTING ZE RAPE CULTUUUUUUUUURE".

In general, people who even use the term "rape culture" are not to be taken seriously. Those people call themselves feminists while actually being hypocrits who just want to draw as much attention as they can. It's the same as with Zoe Quinn who purposefully made herself a victim by telling lies and then blaming it on sexism, using the term as a scapegoat. Same with Anita and that other weird lady with the ugly glasses...forgot the name. Zero productive / constructive input, just attention and money.

Regarding 50 Shades of Grey...

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=iqkNYfKZV6s

10/10. Would watch again.


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 Sigvatr wrote:

In general, people who even use the term "rape culture" are not to be taken seriously.

Oh I don't know about that. I can think of several rape cultures. None of them are western though. I would name them, but someone will call me racist.

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=iqkNYfKZV6s

And oh dear god it reads like bad fan fiction. Even the funny voices can't save it XD

Anyone that says rape culture isn't a thing shouldn't be taken seriously. See what I did there?

Anyone that blames a victim of rape for being raped is perpetuating a culture where the rapist isn't at fault for their actions. Which is ridiculous yet it is the prevalent mind set.

Now you could say I don't go to where x is and do y because I don't want z to happen to me. But really all you are saying is its okay for x to do what it does on its own turf. So to hit a Dakka buzz topic, its roughly the same as saying ISIS is cool because what do you expect over there.

 LordofHats wrote:

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=iqkNYfKZV6s

And oh dear god it reads like bad fan fiction. Even the funny voices can't save it XD

It IS bad fan fiction. Apparently the first draft started out as Twilight fan fiction.

I've already confirmed it. It is in fact impressive the book even got published because apparently it was released in full (but unedited) on FanFiction.net prior to the publishing rights being picked up.

 mattyrm wrote:
criticizing Islam is much much easier because there is no gray area when it comes to killing people and blowing gak up.

And there's no grey area when it comes to "devaluing someone because of the status of their genitals is wrong".

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:

 LordofHats wrote:
And oh dear god it reads like bad fan fiction. Even the funny voices can't save it XD

It IS bad fan fiction. Apparently the first draft started out as Twilight fan fiction.

+1

That's all 50SoG ever was or will be.

It's trashy trash. And sure, some, or even a lot of, people might like that. Hell, I liked Duke Nukem Forever. Doesn't make it above criticism.

 BrotherGecko wrote:

Now you could say I don't go to where x is and do y because I don't want z to happen to me. But really all you are saying is its okay for x to do what it does on its own turf. So to hit a Dakka buzz topic, its roughly the same as saying ISIS is cool because what do you expect over there.

By that logic, do you think booking a holiday in Syria is a sensible thing to do?

Come to think of it, I'd love to visit some of the Crusades era castles and cities like Antioch and Damascus. Stay tuned for my forthcoming Syrian Adventure blog.

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
By that logic, do you think booking a holiday in Syria is a sensible thing to do?

Regardless of how it is now, I believe we should work towards a world where it is a perfectly sensible thing to do.


Focusing too much on how things are or were in the past takes sights away from how they could be if we stop being donkey-caves to one another.

 Melissia wrote:

 mattyrm wrote:
criticizing Islam is much much easier because there is no gray area when it comes to killing people and blowing gak up.

And there's no grey area when it comes to "devaluing someone because of the status of their genitals is wrong".

The Grey area...is where people disagree with you on what constitutes "devaluing".

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:

 LordofHats wrote:
And oh dear god it reads like bad fan fiction. Even the funny voices can't save it XD

It IS bad fan fiction. Apparently the first draft started out as Twilight fan fiction.

+1

That's all 50SoG ever was or will be.

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
The Grey area...is where people disagree with you on what constitutes "devaluing".

And a lot of people apparently disagree that blowing your enemy's civilians up is wrong. Just look at Dakka Off-Topic's history-- you'll see plenty of examples of that. Does that mean that you think Matty was wrong?

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:


Oh I don't know about that. I can think of several rape cultures. None of them are western though. I would name them, but someone will call me racist.

True, my bad. I was only referring to western countries. Sadly, countries like India and Middle East countries even openly celebrate rape.

Given the crap I've seen on places like A Voice For Men, it'd be rather hard to convince me that segments of Western civilization don't celebrate rape or see it as a tool to punish people you don't like.

Duke Nukem forever was fething awful as well by the way.

"Segments" implies a minority.

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:

 BrotherGecko wrote:

Now you could say I don't go to where x is and do y because I don't want z to happen to me. But really all you are saying is its okay for x to do what it does on its own turf. So to hit a Dakka buzz topic, its roughly the same as saying ISIS is cool because what do you expect over there.

By that logic, do you think booking a holiday in Syria is a sensible thing to do?

Come to think of it, I'd love to visit some of the Crusades era castles and cities like Antioch and Damascus. Stay tuned for my forthcoming Syrian Adventure blog.

Melissia summed it up pretty well.

I personally enlisted into the Army to do my part in at least atempting to make a part of the world slightly more reasonable. So I think I can say I've practiced what I preach.


Edit: a minority would still imply a problem. A problem that all reasonable people should be absolutely opposed to.

So in a fine parallel to gamergate the thread gets hijacked to other interests.
50SOG really? <edit> and rape...
Can't wait for the game to come out so we can have this lively discussion again.
As long as human beings manage to be different from one another we will have prejudice, the trick is keeping it civil.
Just as has been pointed out; one person's consensual entertainment, is another's degrading smut pushing back fought for rights.
Too bad.
The content is fabricated, real world work shall be held to standards of law.
Go find something to censor somewhere else.
What angers are those whom try to force their will on a creative endeavor with a sense of entitlement beyond the scope of consumer.
YES, it is easy to be tired of gaming culture especially when games get rolled into topics of rape... what a mess.

 Melissia wrote:

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
The Grey area...is where people disagree with you on what constitutes "devaluing".

And a lot of people apparently disagree that blowing your enemy's civilians up is wrong. Just look at Dakka Off-Topic's history-- you'll see plenty of examples of that. Does that mean that you think Matty was wrong?

No. It means that I think we should apply the same same standards of morality when evaluating the actions of ISIS and when evaluating our own actions. A "Fixed Moral Compass", to borrow a term from a certain wiener dog obsessed Dakka ite.

Case in point.

ISIS plants an IED in a densely populated urban area, with the intention of killing enemy soldiers (Syrian, Iraqi etc). It detonates, killing the target, but predictably kills X number of non combatant civilians.

A coalition air strike targets an ISIS safe house in a densely populated urban area. It destroys the target, but predictably kills X number of non combatant civilians. ( same could be said of Israeli air strikes on Gaza).

Why is the latter ok, when it's the "good guys" doing it? The result is the same - innocent people die.

(I'm also of the opinion that the RAF' s deliberate policy of bombing Germany's civilian population in WW2 was wrong, and the atomic bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki).


This also applies to the Gamer Gate controversy. Certain Feminists have without a doubt been trolled, harassed and threatened, and that is objectively wrong, and criminal (regarding death threats).

But so have outspoken figures in Gamer Gate. (Syringes in the post etc).

I hope prosecutions are brought against those making death threats, no matter who they are, or who their victims are.







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 Talizvar wrote:
So in a fine parallel to gamergate the thread gets hijacked to other interests.
50SOG really? <edit> and rape...
Can't wait for the game to come out so we can have this lively discussion again

Press x to spank.

Press y to internalize misogyny.

If it's a Telltale game, and its a parody of 50SoG, I'll play it.

 mattyrm wrote:
Duke Nukem forever was fething awful as well by the way.

Clearly, you just don't have any taste for trashy humor.

Shame on you

 BrotherGecko wrote:

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:

 BrotherGecko wrote:

Now you could say I don't go to where x is and do y because I don't want z to happen to me. But really all you are saying is its okay for x to do what it does on its own turf. So to hit a Dakka buzz topic, its roughly the same as saying ISIS is cool because what do you expect over there.

By that logic, do you think booking a holiday in Syria is a sensible thing to do?

Come to think of it, I'd love to visit some of the Crusades era castles and cities like Antioch and Damascus. Stay tuned for my forthcoming Syrian Adventure blog.

Melissia summed it up pretty well.

I personally enlisted into the Army to do my part in at least atempting to make a part of the world slightly more reasonable. So I think I can say I've practiced what I preach.


Edit: a minority would still imply a problem. A problem that all reasonable people should be absolutely opposed to.

Yes. But the topic under discussion is rape culture. When only a minority "segment" of society / a community subscribes to said views, it is fallacious to accuse the society/community at large of being a rape culture.

So, speaking of the aspects of Gamer Culture that need to be purged, with fire and holy vehemency:

http://anonhq.com/innocent-gamer-raided-by-swat-team/

This guy gets "swatted" during a live-stream of Runescape. FFS, really?

 Psienesis wrote:
This guy gets "swatted" during a live-stream of Runescape. FFS, really?

live-stream of Runescape

Runescape

Sorry bro. Totally deserved it. Playing Runescape. In 2015? Serially?

 Psienesis wrote:
So, speaking of the aspects of Gamer Culture that need to be purged, with fire and holy vehemency:

http://anonhq.com/innocent-gamer-raided-by-swat-team/

This guy gets "swatted" during a live-stream of Runescape. FFS, really?

Yah if you play Runescape you just have to take that risk. If you don't want that to happen maybe people shouldn't play online games.

Or at the very least, play one worth getting Swatted for

This Swoop -n- Poop sure has gone off the rails.

Anyway, regarding the "OP" and the "TOPIC":

 Alpharius wrote:
This Swoop -n- Poop sure has gone off the rails.

Anyway, regarding the "OP" and the "TOPIC":

Can I Choose to be the killer Robot?
Because I want to be a killer robot.

That robot was very nice iirc, and totally not killer.

 mattyrm wrote:
But I saw the author talking about it on BBC Newsbeat, and she said that all of the "kinky" stuff the couple use like.. codewords or whatever, so he stops if she gets massively upset with the situation.

It is called a safeword. I discovered about it through the band Spinefish, because they explained how the name of the band was initially a safeword. Cool band. Should give it a try.

 mattyrm wrote:
If the vast, VAST majority of women do not want to see FSOG banned, what do you think the point is of kicking off about it? I mean, even if it is totally inappropriate, the masses do not want to see this hubub, so dont you take my point, that booting off about these things is extremely counter-productive?

I have hardly ever seen any feminist calling for it to be banned. I do have seen many trying to raise awareness about everything that is wrong about this book. This is very, very different.
There is no problem with enjoying 50soG. As someone who went to a “Rape and revenge” night at a movie festival, and enjoyed it a lot, I would be quite hypocritical to pretend nobody has the moral right to enjoy 50soG. But I certainly do not believe that what is displayed on the screen is good, or normal, or that is should be accepted, or anything. I keep a critical view of what is happening. And if someone was to criticize it, I would listen, and very likely agree.

As an aside, if you ever have the occasion, go watch A gun for Jennifer. No rape on-screen, but tons and tons of sweet, bloody, badass justice, and that is what I cam to see .

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
That robot was very nice iirc, and totally not killer.

Exactly = and the point!

But if "Alien" is "no big whoop" than I suppose "Iron Giant" isn't either!

"Internalising misogyny". What a grand phrase. I'll put that under the "rapesplaining" banner as one of the types of mental gymnastics certain people like to use when they just can't accept that another woman can make her own decisions for herself that don't fit with crazy third-wave world view.

Ahahah, H.B.M.C. has started a dialogue with strawmen again.

 Alpharius wrote:
But if "Alien" is "no big whoop" than I suppose "Iron Giant" isn't either!

I think both were pretty cool.