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Same here!

Especially Iron Giant.

As for the rest of this stuff - well, opinions differ, and if 'you' want to effect positive change, go right ahead and get out there and do it.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
Ahahah, H.B.M.C. has started a dialogue with strawmen again.

 Alpharius wrote:
But if "Alien" is "no big whoop" than I suppose "Iron Giant" isn't either!

I think both were pretty cool.

I love Iron giant, but im never watching it again after watching it all day

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
Ahahah, H.B.M.C. has started a dialogue with strawmen again.

So it has to be strawmen does it? Why can't it be strawomen, you misogynist!

I play games because i like it not to be part of a crowd

I like to play games because reasons.

I like to play games for my selfish desire to have fun.
I do not care who gets in the way or assists, it is all part of the grand drama of it all.

I like to play games because it relaxes me after work, and reminds me of those halcyon days playing Mario Kart 64 with my sister.

Apparently I am in your signature now.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
Apparently I am in your signature now.

Yes, it informs other users about these festivals in case they are also interested in them. It's a public service, really.

Then put a link to the festival website then!
It is in French, but you can still see the stupid, slightly NSFW logo
http://www.lecranstdenis.org/dionysiennes/jcd/
(And just in case, the festival was not about Rape and revenge movies. Just one night was. And a few other movies in the festival qualified too, like Female Convict Scorpion: Jailhouse 41. But it was way more tasteful than you would imagine.
Anyhow, you should also put 50 shade of Grey in full instead of the acronym I used that made sense in context but that nobody would be able to decipher outside this thread.


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Oh, I had not watched their trailer, but it is also NSFW, a bit .

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

I have hardly ever seen any feminist calling for it to be banned. I do have seen many trying to raise awareness about everything that is wrong about this book. This is very, very different.
There is no problem with enjoying 50soG. As someone who went to a “Rape and revenge” night at a movie festival, and enjoyed it a lot, I would be quite hypocritical to pretend nobody has the moral right to enjoy 50soG. But I certainly do not believe that what is displayed on the screen is good, or normal, or that is should be accepted, or anything. I keep a critical view of what is happening. And if someone was to criticize it, I would listen, and very likely agree.

FSOG should never be accepted but you would watch a "rape and revenge" movie night?

gak, at least I wouldn't get out of bed for either!

Anyway.. the point I was making, with regard to "gaming culture" and anything else, is that I don't think it REALLY exists as a tangible thing, FSOG is a good choice actually, because it is a similar analogy to one I would use for "gaming culture."

There is no such thing, there are hundreds of millions of gamers, and the so called "gaming culture" has a thousand shades of gray, we all fall somewhere in that vast spectrum, from the weird fethers that throw themselves into it and embrace the toxic "hyper masculine" gak embraced by a few, and the toxic "always offended all of the time" gak embraced by another few.

I suspect the vast majority of "gamers" are like me, and play fething games but do very little else with regard to this so called "gamer culture" short of occasional Google a review before making a purchase. Basically I think the OPs premise is a poor one, there is a tiny minority of a few million people that take gaming too seriously, meanwhile the 99% occasionally play games and get on with their lives in a very pleasant and normal manner.

And with that, I am off to play Warcraft 3 for a bit.

edit- read HSOOs last post.

 mattyrm wrote:
FSOG should never be accepted but you would watch a "rape and revenge" movie night?

No. Both should be allowed, and enjoyed by those that are into that kind of things, but in both case the behavior of the rapist/Christian Grey/potentially (depends on the movie) the rape victim should be acknowledged as a bad, immoral behavior that should not be promoted or accepted in real life.

 mattyrm wrote:
gak, at least I wouldn't get out of bed for either!

Yeah, well, watch this (NSFW, as expected, a bit of nudity and a lot of violence) trailer and tell me you did not change your mind :

And what about this (approximately SFW) lovely poster ?

 mattyrm wrote:




There is no such thing, there are hundreds of millions of gamers, and the so called "gaming culture" has a thousand shades of gray, we all fall somewhere in that vast spectrum, from the weird fethers that throw themselves into it and embrace the toxic "hyper masculine" gak embraced by a few, and the toxic "always offended all of the time" gak embraced by another few.

exalted




I think we similar themes everywhere online, people in general much prefer to dish it when it comes to criticism than take it(we're all human afterall) . Add in a dash of anonymity and a pinch of projection and you've got the internet.


I mean look at all the guff about sean penn's joking about his friend's legal status at the oscars. I could hear the "won't someone think of the children" a mile away on that one.

Matty, is it really that hard to tell the difference between criticizing something as trashy, low-quality garbage, and saying it should be banned?

I actually do want trashy low-quality garbage to be banned, but that's just me

Won't someone think of the Zeitgeist!

 LordofHats wrote:
I actually do want trashy low-quality garbage to be banned, but that's just me

Someone's low-quality garbage is someone else's pure, uncut gem.

 Melissia wrote:
Matty, is it really that hard to tell the difference between criticizing something as trashy, low-quality garbage, and saying it should be banned?

Oh come on, these women don't sit and home chatting on the internet about how gak the book is, gak, I do that!

They fething mobilize and hang banners and go nuts about it. I have seen they are signing petitions to have it banned, and it actually is banned in plenty of places. Surely you do concede that fact that the most militant women literally want the thing banning?

Why do you think they make the banners and go marching? To make a pleasant suggestion that we quietly ignore it? They can achieve that my writing a one-star review on Amazon!

 Crablezworth wrote:
I mean look at all the guff about sean penn's joking about his friend's legal status at the oscars. I could hear the "won't someone think of the children" a mile away on that one.

Oh yeah I read about that today. Its the same old gak over here, I have bonded really well with all the Mexican blokes I work with because other than the gamers I have met over here, I have more in common with them than your average American, they drink more, love football, and talk gak just like I do. I always watch the Premier league on Sunday mornings with three Mexican lads and I will bring this up on the weekend, safe to say that I don't think I know any Mexicans that would be offended, the "always offended" 1% drag us all down to their pathetic cringing level.

From going to comedy clubs over here though I've noticed the difference is tangible, Americans literally never shut up about race and ethnicity, 75% of the comedians whole act is "i am an X and we act like this all of the time" I think America is way more politically correct than the UK is, and way more unlikely to actually achieve colorblindness because nobody ever shuts up about it.

I would mention that everyone at my new job in the states calls me "Politically incorrect Matty" but I think a few people called me that back home as well.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
Someone's low-quality garbage is someone else's pure, uncut gem.

Completely true and my point exactly. Its not that I don't see that some things are indeed a bit misogynistic, Its that I take offense to the level of offense that other people take about things that in the grand scheme of things, seem very fething trivial.

If that made any sense at all.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

 LordofHats wrote:
I actually do want trashy low-quality garbage to be banned, but that's just me

Someone's low-quality garbage is someone else's pure, uncut gem.

I thought the second line of that post would get that across XD Guess it not

 Melissia wrote:
Matty, is it really that hard to tell the difference between criticizing something as trashy, low-quality garbage, and saying it should be banned?

When its you or Hybrid...yeah.


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 LordofHats wrote:
I actually do want trashy low-quality garbage to be banned, but that's just me

Won't someone think of the Zeitgeist!

Get a hold of a few copies of 50SOG and have yourself a good old book burning. It'll be therapeutic.

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
Get a hold of a few copies of 50SOG and have yourself a good old book burning. It'll be therapeutic.

I only burn books for letter grades

 mattyrm wrote:
They fething mobilize and hang banners and go nuts about it.

Meanwhile, you have groups like this, formed explicitly by feminists who are fighting against censorship. And that was about 0.05 seconds of google search.

I know you like to self-righteously pretend that feminists are some kind of monolithic group that hates porn and hates men and hates women who aren't feminists, but it's getting fething annoying listening to your ignorant, lop-sided rants no matter how many times I correct you on this.

 mattyrm wrote:
Its not that I don't see that some things are indeed a bit misogynistic, Its that I take offense to the level of offense that other people take about things that in the grand scheme of things, seem very fething trivial.

If that made any sense at all.

Not sure.

 LordofHats wrote:
I thought the second line of that post would get that across XD Guess it not

Not sure what Zeitgeist means, actually.

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:

 Melissia wrote:
Matty, is it really that hard to tell the difference between criticizing something as trashy, low-quality garbage, and saying it should be banned?

When its you or Hybrid...yeah.

What was that for? What did I call to be banned?

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:

 Melissia wrote:
Matty, is it really that hard to tell the difference between criticizing something as trashy, low-quality garbage, and saying it should be banned?

When its you or Hybrid...yeah.

So you're accusing me, personally, of this?

Fine, I have an ultimatum then:

Either find an example of me advocating the banning of a game, book, or movie for being trashy porn, or back off.

You won't 'find such an example, of course, so just shut your face and admit that you're wrong because you goddamned well know it, and being dishonest about it is incredibly disrespectful.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

Not sure what Zeitgeist means, actually.

It's just some snooty word for the collective human consciousness (aka culture).

 Melissia wrote:

 mattyrm wrote:
They fething mobilize and hang banners and go nuts about it.

Meanwhile, you have groups like this, formed explicitly by feminists who are fighting against censorship.

I know you like to self-righteously pretend that feminists are some kind of monolithic group that hates porn and hates men and hates women who aren't feminists, but it's getting fething annoying listening to your ignorant, lop-sided rants no matter how many times I correct you on this.

I don't think they are either lop sided or rants, I certainly think women should have equality so why would I rant about it? Plus I said two posts up that I am pretty sure the vast majority of women (and probably fething men!) would describe themselves as feminists and they don't want to see things like 50SOG banned. Or take offense when a male hero rescues a woman in a fething game or a movie.

Actually I don't know where you got most of that from Mel.. when did I say that "feminists" were a monolithic group that hates men?! I know plenty of pretty militant feminists and they all seem to like men well enough. The ones who want to cut guys balls off seem to be a minority of a minority of a minority from where I sit.

But yeah, I don't think any of that. I simply say (as I have said ten times before) that in my view feminists would be better served by not bothering picking on almost anything that essentially falls under the umbrella of "hobbies" because I think it is pointless and self-defeating, that is all my point has ever been.

feth talking about the little things, like Mario, and stick with the big things, like domestic abuse, because all the little things do is make women and men alike roll their eyes and go "fething feminists" how does that mean I think any of that stuff?

Like I keep saying, the slippery slope argument is bollocks. It always has been, when some republican bloke goes "Oh well if we allow gay marriage the next thing you know people will be marrying goats" we all have a laugh, but you don't see the same thing about feminism? Talking about Mario rescuing Princess in an offended manner doesn't mean "talking about the small issues helps us deal with the big issues" it means "everyone including many women seems to be getting pissed off" Its the slippery slope argument in reverse, and in my opinion it has always been a nonsense.

If you have taken all of that to mean that i think even a small minority of feminists "hate men" then I apologize for not properly stating my position, but don't for a second think I am under the impression that feminists hate men, I certainly don't think you do and you are definitely one of the "pretty militant" feminists who I know.

 Melissia wrote:

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:

 Melissia wrote:
Matty, is it really that hard to tell the difference between criticizing something as trashy, low-quality garbage, and saying it should be banned?

When its you or Hybrid...yeah.

So you're accusing me, personally, of this?

Fine, I have an ultimatum then:

Either find an example of me advocating the banning of a game, book, or movie for being trashy porn, or back off.

You won't 'find such an example, of course, so just shut your face and admit that you're wrong because you goddamned well know it, and being dishonest about it is incredibly disrespectful.

I will not, because I did no such thing.

I meant that judging from your vitriolic contempt and scorn for certain things, games or opinions that offend you, its often hard not to infer that you'd like such things to be banned. Or at least...to not exist.

If you'd simply asked if I was outright accusing you before giving that Ultimatum, I would have happily clarified.

Ok guys keep it down. You're going to get this thread locked.

The point about the opening topic was just having a disconnect of the gamer community as a whole if i gathered it correctly. Don't go forth with this feminist vs gamer-gate crap. This is particularly what the OP was saying they hated.

 mattyrm wrote:
Or take offense when a male hero rescues a woman in a fething game or a movie.

The problem is not when this happens in one movie, the problem is when it happens in 90% of them, and hardly ever the other way around.

 mattyrm wrote:
I also never said you had called for banning anything, I think that was the other bloke.

Who, me?

 mattyrm wrote:
But yeah, I don't think any of that. I simply (as I have said ten times) think that feminists picking on almost anything that essentially falls under the umbrella of "hobbies" is pointless and self-defeating, that is all my point has ever been.

The problem is people getting all over-defensive and, frankly, stupid. Take, for example, the FP. Awesome movie, I loved it, really. But yeah, the portrayal of the (only) female character is downright terrible. No agency, no personality, just a victim that waits passively for the hero to take her as a reward. If that did not happen so often with female love interest of male characters in mainstream movies, that would not be a problem, but it does happen so often. And basically never the other way around. Therefore, I just have to accept that this movie I thoroughly enjoyed (like, a LOT) has also some flaws and some problems. But sadly many people are unable to do that. They are unable to accept that what they love might not be perfect in every way, and that they can still love it while acknowledging the problem. Damn people!


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 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
I meant that judging from your vitriolic contempt and scorn for certain things, games or opinions that offend you, its often hard not to infer that you'd like such things to be banned. Or at least...to not exist.

See just above: if you could take the FP, and change it just to fix the problems, that would certainly be way better. But wanting something to not exist and wanting to ban something are very, very, VERY different things.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

The problem is not when this happens in one movie, the problem is when it happens in 90% of them, and hardly ever the other way around.

Aye I know mate, but as I said, I think it merely occurs cos back in the day most game buyers were blokes, I dont think many devs did this with violence of forethought against women.

Who, me?

Nah not you.

 mattyrm wrote:
But yeah, I don't think any of that. I simply (as I have said ten times) think that feminists picking on almost anything that essentially falls under the umbrella of "hobbies" is pointless and self-defeating, that is all my point has ever been.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
The problem is people getting all over-defensive and, frankly, stupid.

Well we agree then.

 mattyrm wrote:
Aye I know mate, but as I said, I think it merely occurs cos back in the day most game buyers were blokes, I dont think many devs did this with violence of forethought against women.

I agree it was certainly not made deliberately, but unconscious bias can be as harmful as conscious bias. And I disagree with the idea it occurs because most game buyers were men. For reference, I just saw another movie just yesterday evening with a terribly empty, completely hollow “trophy” love interest. It was a comedy called Welcome to the Jungle. Certainly there is no reason for that kind of comedy to target men over women, is there? And in movies directed at women, like, say, 50 shades of Grey, because it is what we were talking about (and since I have not seen it but I expect it to be about as enjoyable as Welcome to the jungle, which means not a lot ), you do not see the same phenomenon of empty characters. Christian Grey, or Edward Cullen, they may not be awesomely written characters but they have personalities, they have plans outside of just being the main characters reward, they have their own agencies…