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Roboute Guilliman was poisoned but put into stasis before he actually completely died. There are pilgrims who visit him and swear that they think his wound is slowly healing.

 SirDonlad wrote:
The first '40k' (rouge trader) miniatures which werent that limited edition 'space knight' (or whatever it was called) were upgrade kits for fantasy models.

I'm gonna have to call rubbish on that. I've got White Dwarf 93 in front of me right now: the initial Rogue Trader release consisted of the rulebook, the RTB01 plastic Space Marine box and the Thrugg Bullnecks Space Ork Raiders.

 ClockworkZion wrote:
Roboute Guilliman was poisoned but put into stasis before he actually completely died. There are pilgrims who visit him and swear that they think his wound is slowly healing.

And people (Marneus Calgar I think) who say this is both wrong and impossible. So its really up to each persons views.

The Emporor was made from the self sacrifice on hundred or psychic shamens. Each individually would actually be reincarnated, but the chaos gods where going to end the process soon. So they all killed themselves and reincarnated themselves in on single immortal body.

pm713 wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:
Roboute Guilliman was poisoned but put into stasis before he actually completely died. There are pilgrims who visit him and swear that they think his wound is slowly healing.

And people (Marneus Calgar I think) who say this is both wrong and impossible. So its really up to each persons views.

It's 40k where you have a living Saint who has survived a nuke, feeling any satisfaction for killing a champion of Chaos results in you becoming him, where magical suits of armor filled with dusty air shoot magic bullets, and a nearly dead psyker acts as an interstellar lighthouse, cork on a giant hole for daemons to come through and "buffet open" sign for an intergalactic alien race of space locusts.

Impossible has no meaning here.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

pm713 wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:
Roboute Guilliman was poisoned but put into stasis before he actually completely died. There are pilgrims who visit him and swear that they think his wound is slowly healing.

And people (Marneus Calgar I think) who say this is both wrong and impossible. So its really up to each persons views.

It's 40k where you have a living Saint who has survived a nuke, feeling any satisfaction for killing a champion of Chaos results in you becoming him, where magical suits of armor filled with dusty air shoot magic bullets, and a nearly dead psyker acts as an interstellar lighthouse, cork on a giant hole for daemons to come through and "buffet open" sign for an intergalactic alien race of space locusts.

Impossible has no meaning here.

That is also true I suppose.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

pm713 wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:
Roboute Guilliman was poisoned but put into stasis before he actually completely died. There are pilgrims who visit him and swear that they think his wound is slowly healing.

And people (Marneus Calgar I think) who say this is both wrong and impossible. So its really up to each persons views.

It's 40k where you have a living Saint who has survived a nuke, feeling any satisfaction for killing a champion of Chaos results in you becoming him, where magical suits of armor filled with dusty air shoot magic bullets, and a nearly dead psyker acts as an interstellar lighthouse, cork on a giant hole for daemons to come through and "buffet open" sign for an intergalactic alien race of space locusts.

Impossible has no meaning here.

Perhaps more accurately, then, Calgar who has been witness to the tomb for centuries says it isn't healing, while most Pilgrims will only ever make their way to Ultramar once in their life are basing their suggestion on the descripion handed down to them from previous generations. Not saying its impossible, but in-universe, I'd trust Calgar more than the pilgrims.

Not to mention that if he's managing to heal in statis, they`re doing statis wrong....

 Gashrog wrote:

 SirDonlad wrote:
The first '40k' (rouge trader) miniatures which werent that limited edition 'space knight' (or whatever it was called) were upgrade kits for fantasy models.

I'm gonna have to call rubbish on that. I've got White Dwarf 93 in front of me right now: the initial Rogue Trader release consisted of the rulebook, the RTB01 plastic Space Marine box and the Thrugg Bullnecks Space Ork Raiders.

It is however accurate for 40K chaos minis from the RT era, which were typically just chaos fantasy models with guns (heck, many of them were shared with no changes). Also, while the Thrugg Bullneck box set was unique to 40K, some of the RT era orks were just fantasy orks with guns.

 Paradigm wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

pm713 wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:
Roboute Guilliman was poisoned but put into stasis before he actually completely died. There are pilgrims who visit him and swear that they think his wound is slowly healing.

And people (Marneus Calgar I think) who say this is both wrong and impossible. So its really up to each persons views.

It's 40k where you have a living Saint who has survived a nuke, feeling any satisfaction for killing a champion of Chaos results in you becoming him, where magical suits of armor filled with dusty air shoot magic bullets, and a nearly dead psyker acts as an interstellar lighthouse, cork on a giant hole for daemons to come through and "buffet open" sign for an intergalactic alien race of space locusts.

Impossible has no meaning here.

Perhaps more accurately, then, Calgar who has been witness to the tomb for centuries says it isn't healing, while most Pilgrims will only ever make their way to Ultramar once in their life are basing their suggestion on the descripion handed down to them from previous generations. Not saying its impossible, but in-universe, I'd trust Calgar more than the pilgrims.

Not to mention that if he's managing to heal in statis, they`re doing statis wrong....

There is also the possibility that the faith of humanity in him healing is healing him.

And it's not like Calgar is a medical expert on the Primarchs (in fact the only one alive who is is the Emperor, if you can call that living).

Also it's 40k, NOTHING works as intended. FFS these people need to pray before using a floppy drive lest the computer become offended and spawn daemons.

 Gashrog wrote:

 SirDonlad wrote:
The first '40k' (rouge trader) miniatures which werent that limited edition 'space knight' (or whatever it was called) were upgrade kits for fantasy models.

I'm gonna have to call rubbish on that. I've got White Dwarf 93 in front of me right now: the initial Rogue Trader release consisted of the rulebook, the RTB01 plastic Space Marine box and the Thrugg Bullnecks Space Ork Raiders.

It was before the rogue trader boxset.
When i was 8 (it was 1992) - there were a couple of guys who had been into it since the beginning at a local miniatures shop (before there were GW's everywhere) who took great relish (as i do nowadays) in talking about 'how far things had come since the old days' they recounted to us about how lucky we were to have plastic boxsets, citing the hassle of upgrade kits for fantasy models.

i had a quick look but there werent any pictures online currently, i only found pic's of the first dedicated production run of space marines (here's the link: http://wwww.nightsoil.co.uk/zhu/miniatures/warhammer-40k.htm) i will try to find you a picture of those pre-rogue trader upgrade models because the 'quality' of the model is laughable!

 ClockworkZion wrote:

Also it's 40k, NOTHING works as intended. FFS these people need to pray before using a floppy drive lest the computer become offended and spawn daemons.

To be honest, that sums up today just as well.

 Nevelon wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

Also it's 40k, NOTHING works as intended. FFS these people need to pray before using a floppy drive lest the computer become offended and spawn daemons.

To be honest, that sums up today just as well.

You obviously haven't properly placated the machine spirit then.

Back in the early days of the Necrons if a Destroyer passed it's We'll Be Back roll it came back as a Necron Warrior as it lost it's flying lawn chair.

 ClockworkZion wrote:
Roboute Guilliman was poisoned but put into stasis before he actually completely died. There are pilgrims who visit him and swear that they think his wound is slowly healing.

He was more than poisoned, he took a chain-axe to the neck. His head is about to fall the feth off, and there's a cascade of arterial spray frozen in stasis with him.

This indicates that, of all the knowledge lost to mankind, the forgotten teachings of the Wu Tang are perhaps the most-damaging to the Imperium. Remember, always, always, always protect ya neck.

 Psienesis wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:
Roboute Guilliman was poisoned but put into stasis before he actually completely died. There are pilgrims who visit him and swear that they think his wound is slowly healing.

He was more than poisoned, he took a chain-axe to the neck. His head is about to fall the feth off, and there's a cascade of arterial spray frozen in stasis with him.

This indicates that, of all the knowledge lost to mankind, the forgotten teachings of the Wu Tang are perhaps the most-damaging to the Imperium. Remember, always, always, always protect ya neck.

Source? I’ve not heard anything resembling that before.

 Nevelon wrote:
Source? I’ve not heard anything resembling that before.

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 adamsouza wrote:

 Nevelon wrote:
Source? I’ve not heard anything resembling that before.

Cited Source

^ This.

I hadn't heard about the arterial spray, just the poison.

It's mentioned in some of the UM novels, when Space Marine Hiro Protagonist UltramarineGuy goes to the chapel where he's in stasis. Some overwrought poetic description of ruby droplets frozen in mid-air and spilling down the front of his breastplate, yadda yadda.

Huh. Never made the codex.

An arterial wound isn't, much to a Marine and even less to a Primarch.


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Oh here's one people may not know: the Rhino is smaller than it should be (as in it's a different scale than the Marines) because when they were designing the game it'd take two turns to walk from the back to the front. All vehicles are at this scale to match.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

Oh here's one people may not know: the Rhino is smaller than it should be (as in it's a different scale than the Marines) because when they were designing the game it'd take two turns to walk from the back to the front. All vehicles are at this scale to match.

I'm sorry what? Perhaps it's because I haven't had my morning coffee yet but that explanation made no sense to me.

 Zewrath wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

Oh here's one people may not know: the Rhino is smaller than it should be (as in it's a different scale than the Marines) because when they were designing the game it'd take two turns to walk from the back to the front. All vehicles are at this scale to match.

I'm sorry what? Perhaps it's because I haven't had my morning coffee yet but that explanation made no sense to me.

The Rhino wasn't made to be the same scale as the Marines because if it was it'd impact game play, taking two turns to move from the back end to the front. So that's why it looks too small to hold 10 Marines, because it's around half the size it should be. A lot of vehicles fall into the same scale.

I apologize if that isn't coming across any better, that was just how I remember it being explained by Goodwin.

So I've been reading Space Marine by Ian Watson the past couple days. Couple things I found interesting:

1. The Imperial Fist yellow is regularly described as "pus yellow"

2. There is a hazing ritual in which neophytes are forced to try and make it through a hallway that basically serves as a massive pain glove that bombards you with different sensations of heat, cold and so on. As you continue further along it gravity increases as well, making it harder to complete. There are safe zones inside but the hazing doesn't end until someone completes it, and those who do complete it get a (very small) Imperial Fist brand....on their butt. This whole thing is done naked.

3. The Pain Glove is a full body glove

4. At one point the chapter had an obsession with scrimshawing bones that bordered on the same level of obsession that the Iron Hand's drive to replace their fleshy bits with cybernetics. Honor duels could, and would, be fought over differing opinions in technique. This scrimshawing is so prevalent that no body in the vaults has hands, the hands being taking for scrimshawing.

5. Honor duels are conducted by both participants locking their feet into harnesses atop metal blocks which are then moved into place on rails so that both participants are just in epee reach of each other. The duel could only be finished when one left an "honor mark" on his opponent's cheek with the blade.

6. A major campaign has the tide turned by scout squad (featuring the main characters of the book) who

7. When conducting void combat training the scouts use lasguns.

8. Hive Cities, like Necromunda, are built around a massive support shaft that acts as a massive heat vent for the inside of the planet, which is used to power the city. The force of the air current from the heated air is so great that if you were to toss a person inside they won't fall as they're being cooked alive.

9. When being inducted into the Scout company an Apothecary mixed a small portion of amber (which is made into a liquid) that encompasses Rogal Dorn's body with the blood of the Neophytes and drinks the mixture, later to pass it out of their body as a solid ball which is put in a large chalice with many others. There is a mention of a large number of these chalices and a hint that it's done for other reasons as well.

10. There is a character who becomes a marine named Biff. Biff the Space Marine. Yes, it is a bit silly.

EDIT: Also the book has Squats. Just FYI.

BrianDavion wrote:eh I like the change myself as it adds some depth to the army that was previously kinda 1 dimensional. now they have some character. don't get me wrong there is a place for the unrelenting hoard with no real personality etc, but we had that in 'nids already. (and Nids managed to do it while having a bit more character). that said I can see why people'd be upset if they liked the old stuff, I imagine GW felt sceweed no matter which way they went.

It's different strokes for different folks, obviously. I just liked the rather Lovecraftian horror of the original Necrons having forgotten their past and only knowing that they were waking up and were really pissed off. The Newcrons fluff seems so trite and generic. I guess it gives them more "character", but lacking character never stopped people from playing Tyranids. The character of the Necrons was to be relentless, remorseless, and sinister.

Besides, yet another billions-strong, Grimdark+10 enemy for the Imperium was the last thing 40K needed. It was bad enough when GW upped the Grimdark on Orks by making them unstoppable, reproduce-via-bonk, insta-growers.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

Oh here's one people may not know: the Rhino is smaller than it should be (as in it's a different scale than the Marines) because when they were designing the game it'd take two turns to walk from the back to the front. All vehicles are at this scale to match.

My car seat 5 people.
I am 6ft tall.
My car is basically 1 me wide by 2 me's long.
40K person is about 1.5" tall
40K me would be 1.5" tall
40K my Car would be 1.5" wide by 3" long, about the size of a Space Marine Bike

The Outsider C'tan is likely the driving force behind the Tyranid invasion

 adamsouza wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

Oh here's one people may not know: the Rhino is smaller than it should be (as in it's a different scale than the Marines) because when they were designing the game it'd take two turns to walk from the back to the front. All vehicles are at this scale to match.

My car seat 5 people.
I am 6ft tall.
My car is basically 1 me wide by 2 me's long.
40K person is about 1.5" tall
40K me would be 1.5" tall
40K my Car would be 1.5" wide by 3" long, about the size of a Space Marine Bike

You're not a 7ft tall, 1ton post-human weapon of war that needs to bring his 9 friends along though, now are you?

No, but it the footprint of a Space Marine Bike is the same as my car, and the Rhino is much bigger than a Space Marine Bike, I think they will have enough room.

That, and I've learned over the years not to take the scale of gaming minaitures too seriously.

 adamsouza wrote:
No, but it the footprint of a Space Marine Bike is the same as my car, and the Rhino is much bigger than a Space Marine Bike, I think they will have enough room.

That, and I've learned over the years not to take the scale of gaming minaitures too seriously.

You can argue with it all you want, but the info came from the guy who designed the models (Goodwin) during the Chapterhouse case and what he said influenced the design. I'm going to go with his reasoning that the tank should be a lot bigger over your's that it's the right size (nothing personal).

I don't take it too seriously either btw, I was just relaying something obscure about the game was all.

The Rhino wasn't made to be the same scale as the Marines because if it was it'd impact game play, taking two turns to move from the back end to the front. So that's why it looks too small to hold 10 Marines, because it's around half the size it should be. A lot of vehicles fall into the same scale.

There is a difference between being a bit out aof scale and that much out of scale. It's already something like 12ft x 18Ft in it's existing scale.

 adamsouza wrote:

The Rhino wasn't made to be the same scale as the Marines because if it was it'd impact game play, taking two turns to move from the back end to the front. So that's why it looks too small to hold 10 Marines, because it's around half the size it should be. A lot of vehicles fall into the same scale.

There is a difference between being a bit out aof scale and that much out of scale. It's already something like 12ft x 18Ft in it's existing scale.

Except Marines and Vehicles aren't on the same scale, which was my original point. If they were the Rhino would be larger. Again, this is per Jes Goodwin so I'm not taking the internet's work on how it works over his when he's the one who actually designed the thing.

Moving on, in Space Marine Holy Terra is still called Earth. Also a Nids ship having warp powers to teleport things into digestive sacs.

Man the fluff has changed a lot over the years.

 Nevelon wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:
Rogue Trader had a Grav Attack Vehicle made from a deodorant container:

It had rules in 3rd. They used it as an example is the VDR.

I long for the DIY side of GW... Sadly I wasn't around for RT era. That reminds me of this though!

 Skriker wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:
[Actually no one really knows what happened to them. They're just gone. They could be deep undercover or they could be all dead or missing. No one knows.

They are currently residing with the squats.

Skriker

As of 6th the Squats still exist, but only in small numbers scattered through the Imperium. The major worlds that held Squats are the only ones that are "dead".

Also Squats are a subhuman species.