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The roster sounds cool, but I still don't think I want to shovel out $25 for this game. Well, there's plenty of time to decide between when this releases and now.

The "factions" seem to just be the equivalent of "characters".

You may choose "Space Marines", but you only get to play as the Derpy Terminator.

Or a scout.

Why are Chaos Daemons on that list? It's not like they can stay in realspace for very long anyways. Even if you managed to capture one, it'd dematerialize back into the warp within a few hours. Daemon Summoning is a very tricky thing.

 Absolutionis wrote:
The "factions" seem to just be the equivalent of "characters".

You may choose "Space Marines", but you only get to play as the Derpy Terminator.

We already know that Tau have both fire warriors and ethereals, while orks have both stormboys and mega nobz. (or at least, we can be pretty certain given the skins for sale. I HIGHLY doubt they''l have that Ethereal with honorblade skin be for a fire warrior...)

The webpage "Veterans" section explicitly has both a terminator and a scout marine if you click the arrows (and their abilities)


(Heeeeey, they're bringing back Stormboys that strap themselves to rockets!)

 PlaguelordHobbyServices wrote:
Why are Chaos Daemons on that list? It's not like they can stay in realspace for very long anyways. Even if you managed to capture one, it'd dematerialize back into the warp within a few hours. Daemon Summoning is a very tricky thing.

Maybe there are wards over the arena to keep the daemons trapped inside or something. (honestly, in this case, I'm more than willing to say "Screw what makes sense" if it'll give us playable demons for once. ...that said, "what makes sense" is an argument that never really applies to daemons in the first place, honestly)

From their Facebook page, the game will be released Free to Play in Q3 2015.

 angelofvengeance wrote:

 Kosake wrote:
Oh man... First GW is reluctant to make any video-games out of their stuff and now they are really whoring it out to any two guys who learned html at school and want to give it a shot...

That said, the idea as such isn't that bad. Commoragh arenas are pretty much THE setting for a MOBA game, but I don't like ne fluffy-bunny-look. Needs more gore, tentacles, splatter, you know the drill. Aesthetically, this does pretty much nothing for me.

Also, nice prices, there... that'll show all those other free-to-play games how it's done, lol.

Erm... it's pre alpha stage footage. Maybe you could reserve judgement until it's released fully?

Nope. I judge what they show me. However, I'm willing to change my opinion based on new information / updated game footage. As I said, the setting is pretty cool, but unless they redo the style - and I talk about style, not the polygon counter for the alpha version or whatever passes for quality these days - i'm just not convinced. So far it looks too much like happy-sunny league of legends. Needs more grimdark.

 Boss Salvage wrote:

"Even though the game won’t be available until Q2 of this year though, you can pre-order a bunch of stuff from the store already. For just $250 you can get an early access key, some custom HUDs when the game launches, some forum avatars and portraits, and five limited edition in-game skins. Bargain."

This is Great News!

I'd buy that for a dollar!

 Platuan4th wrote:
Wait, what?

WHEN?

GW has been licensing Video Games continuously since 1983. The largest gap of years without a GW video game was 86-90, followed by a small gap in 2000-2002.

Yeah but they made big games, often made by big studios (at least big at the time). Right now they're handing out the license to any two-bit mobile developer to make unwanted shovelware.

 MegaDave wrote:
I'd buy that for a dollar!

Or $250!

At least you guys are mostly civil about it, there are some people out there who want these developers smacked around for even making this game. I know its internet hyperbole, but still.

That kind of gak aint cool, considering I know some of the guys working there.

 Shigematsu wrote:
At least you guys are mostly civil about it, there are some people out there who want these developers smacked around for even making this game. I know its internet hyperbole, but still.

That kind of gak aint cool, considering I know some of the guys working there.

Dakka's always civil outside of Off-Topic and Discussions.

But if there's a victim...they will be blamed.

Civility is cultivated because deep-down we want it to be the most awesome game ever!!!
But, as a fine quote I heard in a game once said: "Hope leads to disappointment."

When we see pricing like GW we half expect their style of execution: cool style with little substance (lately).

Couldn't we get an HD reboot version of DOW with the new units, maps/campaign and factions? Guaranteed win!

Waiting, bated breath and all that.

 Shigematsu wrote:
At least you guys are mostly civil about it, there are some people out there who want these developers smacked around for even making this game. I know its internet hyperbole, but still.

Well that's kinda pathetic of those people. What, do they think the developer is spitting on the warhammer license or something with this game? Admittingly it might be because of the pessimistic attitude of these boards but I'm under the impression that that bus sailed long ago with a lot of other developers and GW itself long before this game was even a twinkle in the license lawyers' eyes.

That said, I see nothing wrong with a Warhammer MOBA with an excuse plot of Commaragh, myself. If anything, thanks to the huge rosters that MOBAs have, this is a rare opportunity for a game that can represent EVERY faction (and in fact is doing that. Been a long time since the last time we got to see necrons, sisters, and tau in a game, I think. And again, PLAYABLE DEMONS)

Of course, it'll remain to be seen if the game itself is good but the base premise is more respectable than some of the other games that got the Warhammer license, IMHO.

As for the $250 founders packs... again, that's kinda par for the course for F2P games these days, although admittingly I don't see that sort of thing with MOBAs too often.

At first I thought.. "Oh cool! A mass arena battle game using the actual lore to setup its premise."

"They'll probably have slaves, veteran guardsmen, captured eldar, ork boys, and other prisoners. Maybe some squigs, and other wild creatures.. possibly an AMBULL!?"

Then I had a look... Terminator, Ghazakull, Aun'Shi.... 0_0
what-the.... how did the Dark Eldar capture?.... and alive?...
but even then... it would only be their wargear..

bloody goram shovelware nowadays

 RedSarge wrote:
Then I had a look... Terminator, Ghazakull, Aun'Shi.... 0_0
what-the.... how did the Dark Eldar capture?.... and alive?...
but even then... it would only be their wargear..

bloody goram shovelware nowadays

Considering the implication that the Dark Eldar might have captured the White Scar Primarch at one point I wouldn't say that capturing a Terminator Captain is out of the question.

And capturing other heroic figures at the same time is stretching it...and leaving them their armour/weapons etc is pure stupidity.

But...what if.....What if these are the last survivors of an ambush, or a rescue party, or a raid and they are fighting their wait to freedom. They could have been herded towards the arena rather than captured outright.

Is that such a hard line to swallow?

 Vain wrote:

 RedSarge wrote:
Then I had a look... Terminator, Ghazakull, Aun'Shi.... 0_0
what-the.... how did the Dark Eldar capture?.... and alive?...
but even then... it would only be their wargear..

bloody goram shovelware nowadays

Considering the implication that the Dark Eldar might have captured the White Scar Primarch at one point I wouldn't say that capturing a Terminator Captain is out of the question.

And capturing other heroic figures at the same time is stretching it...and leaving them their armour/weapons etc is pure stupidity.

But...what if.....What if these are the last survivors of an ambush, or a rescue party, or a raid and they are fighting their wait to freedom. They could have been herded towards the arena rather than captured outright.

Is that such a hard line to swallow?

Well, if you want to go there -chaos daemons in In Commoragh? These are the guys that crap their pants just to see a psycher in the city.
Including lords of war to battle a Tau ethereal, the game is obviously fun in a mario cart kind of way. No need to get worked up about fluff

 Snrub wrote:
Is everyone happy with the choice in music for this one?


No objections?

Come on, that Space Hulk trailer song was awful.

Not like, awful as in out of place or inappropriate to the subject matter of 40K. As in awful like an affront to anyone with functioning ears. An insult to every genre it shamelessly tried to mash together into one single horrific cacophany of subpar Euro-hip hop.


This game looks silly, but potentially fun for those into this genre. I'm not, so I'll probably pass on it.

And so we come full circle.
Blizzard tries to make a Warhammer game and ends up with Warcraft. Then they make 40k-esque Starcraft. Aeon of Strife/Defence of the Ancients evolves into the current gen of MOBAs and blows up. GW has some no name try to make DotA. The circle of life.


Not much of a MOBA fan so cant say I'm particularly excited, especially not with that price tag. Will probably give it a swing before it croaks though.

 RedSarge wrote:
At first I thought.. "Oh cool! A mass arena battle game using the actual lore to setup its premise."

"They'll probably have slaves, veteran guardsmen, captured eldar, ork boys, and other prisoners. Maybe some squigs, and other wild creatures.. possibly an AMBULL!?"

Then I had a look... Terminator, Ghazakull, Aun'Shi.... 0_0
what-the.... how did the Dark Eldar capture?.... and alive?...
but even then... it would only be their wargear..

bloody goram shovelware nowadays

As stated in the forums, an ACTUAL true-to-fluff arena battle in Commoragh would probably have all the participants in nothing but loin cloths (the DE aren't stupid enough to leave a terminator marine in his terminator armour just for an arena battle), which would defeat the purpose of this being a licensed 40k game. People play as a Terminator Space Marine so they can be a Terminator Space Marine in Space Marine armour (although being a raging angry super-human in a loin cloth would actually be kinda bad ass too, admittingly)

The Dark Eldar did have an Imperial Knight rampage through their arenas for a while until they finally figured out the best way to kill it.

 Vain wrote:

 RedSarge wrote:
Then I had a look... Terminator, Ghazakull, Aun'Shi.... 0_0
what-the.... how did the Dark Eldar capture?.... and alive?...
but even then... it would only be their wargear..

bloody goram shovelware nowadays

Considering the implication that the Dark Eldar might have captured the White Scar Primarch at one point I wouldn't say that capturing a Terminator Captain is out of the question.

And capturing other heroic figures at the same time is stretching it...and leaving them their armour/weapons etc is pure stupidity.

But...what if.....What if these are the last survivors of an ambush, or a rescue party, or a raid and they are fighting their wait to freedom. They could have been herded towards the arena rather than captured outright.

Is that such a hard line to swallow?

Stop forging narratives :-p GW forces that down our throats enough as it is. Look, it's a MOBA, so there is not much story there in any case. Just look at it as an arena simulator and enjoy the carnage. I don't mind if the characters are unlikely to end up in the arena according to fluff, so long as it's a good game.

Don't know what's going one with GW game licensing. Does no proven studio agree to whatever weird terms they must demand.

 Vain wrote:

Is that such a hard line to swallow?

Yes, now I need some ice cream... my throat hurts.

Fayric: They could add a Gretchin in a spikey go-kart?

TiamatRoar: Maybe we’ll see a a plastic box set..... I mean, this one piece of artwork by Aeron the Faithful comes to mind.
Here it is! [markes as NSFW - blood and guts I guess... don't see what's wrong with that?.. lol]
http://nicolasrgiacondino.deviantart.com/art/Gladiator-85322503?q=gallery%3ANicolasRGiacondino%2F273980&qo=77

Kosake: Maybe we can “break apart a narrative”? It’s simple, take a poorly done shovelware title, or game trailer with terrible music... And.. and mod it!
Disassemble it until it makes sense, change the game if you have to.
We can make this work chaps!

@RedSarge: Not in this case, buddy. MOBA's require a lot of constant work put into them. If you are not constantly ballancing, game devolves into the same matchups almost instantly. Same happens if you do not constantly add new characters that keep the playstyle fresh. Look at how much work League of Legends is. Riot Games are constantly patching that thing to keep it relevant. I think therefore that mobas are among the least accessible games for community modding.

Hell, I even doubt that this will work in the first place, because of the very same reasons. GW will probably tell the devs to get it "finished" and will then cut further support to a minimum.

Got very excited as I thought this would be Wyches against each other.

Other races fighting...bit boring as they haven't kitted them out with 'gladiatorial' takes on their own armour. E.g. Space Marine not in PA but in gladiator kit that resembles the styling of it.

And no Wyche character as part of the pre-order-price-gouging? /sad panda.

I don't really like moba's but I love anything warhammer if done right and love the setting being in a commoragh arena.

250 smackers though. 250 smackers for limited edition content.

 Souleater wrote:
Got very excited as I thought this would be Wyches against each other.

Other races fighting...bit boring as they haven't kitted them out with 'gladiatorial' takes on their own armour. E.g. Space Marine not in PA but in gladiator kit that resembles the styling of it.

And no Wyche character as part of the pre-order-price-gouging? /sad panda.

Well, Dark Eldar are already confirmed to be a playable faction. You'd think wyches would be a given.

There'll probably be a special Lelith Hesperax Wyche skin obtained when you recharge $500 of cash shop currency or something.

 BrookM wrote:
The Dark Eldar did have an Imperial Knight rampage through their arenas for a while until they finally figured out the best way to kill it.

This.

You'd think with all their experience of guys in metal things they'd realise that having a big metal thing was bad.

I like this game. Concept-wise it works and to be fair, it's a genre that has been performing rather well across the board. Hell, if Smite has a bigger player base than DoW then why are we protesting this? 40k is one of those things that MOBA seems reasonable for.

From the looks of the site there will probably be 'veterans' for every faction with more released over time. Don't forget Smite, LoL and DotA all had very small champion pools at the beginning - hell, at Beta-release phase Smite only had about 6 - We've got 6 confirmed already and we're still in Alpha from the video (The six for those wondering - Assault Terminator, Scout, Fire Warrior, Ethereal, Stormboy, Mega Nob).

Looks terrible, but I'd expect nothing less from a shovel-license MOBA. Warhammer 40k really deserves to be treated a lot better than it has been lately.