Horus Heresy Plastic Space Marines by GW CONFIRMED (images 1st post)

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**manrogue**

Warhams-77 wrote:
Steve the Warboss is 50/50 hit and miss. His box contents rumors have often been wrong when predicting products that far away. I would be very careful with his rumors, he does not seem to have good sources at GW like others do (based on Pretre's tracker).

Voices in the Trees is one of the BOLS rumor mongers... They are as reliable as someone making stuff up...

We got from Hastings and Sad Panda the HH set is going to be a standalone board game - which is played on 2D tiles according to Panda. Both are a lot more reliable than StW and BOLS. Hastings said the HH miniatures can be used for 30k/40k but they are designed for a board game first and foremost... So probably no vehicles, maybe a walker. And a few character models

The comparisons with Epic's 1st Edition make sense but I think GW will use this chance to produce lots of different and amazing miniatures like they did with the latest sets. The production is entirely in-house nowadays and not like the Fighting Fantasy and RTB01 plastics in the late 80s when they had ex-matchbox staff doing the plastics for them

GW has upped the ante with Black Reach -> Space Hulk -> Dark Vengeance and there is a good chance the next major boxed game release will be of even better quality

+ 1 to this

Also, just to add, LoWG said no HH in May and they are way more reliable than BoLS-

Lords of War Gaming
16 February at 18:56 ·

Plastic HH marks of armor in May? You're way off!

I'm thinking the assasins boxed game will drop in may if anything does, but thats just my wild speculation lol

**ClockworkZion**

OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
I hope people are remembering that this rumoured box set is also meant to be 'limited' at least to some extent,

and while the rumour suggested this was going to be on a time basis (6 months ish?) I could easily see it GW producing what they think is 6 months supply which will sell out on day 1...

Limited game release followed by the models being sold normally for people looking for alternative Marines was the rumor IIRC.

**Mathieu Raymond**

The way I read the rumour, and judging from the force description, it sounds much more like a "one box per player" type of deal. I'm really having a hard time seeing 2 contemptors with all of the other infantry in there as well not sell for 200$.

Wasn't there also a rumour saying that individual components being a general release after the box set sells out?

**OrlandotheTechnicoloured**

That is apparently the plan,

but at that point we'll be looking at normal GW prices

**CalgarsPimpHand**

So assuming this is as rumored, and it's basically Space Hulk/Space Crusade as a stand alone box with 28mm plastic 30k marines in it, then the blind squirrel that is GW may have finally found a nut. And watch them ruin it by making it limited release.

For anyone who's seen my posts, I'm pretty virulently anti-GW at this point, and even I would buy this to play as a stand-alone game. But I won't be able to if they won't freaking print enough of them and keep them up for sale for longer than the several hours this will take to sell out. The only possible explanation for GW's antics the past several years is they're horribly afraid of actually making money.

**gorgon**

Warhams-77 wrote:
Steve the Warboss is 50/50 hit and miss. His box contents rumors have often been wrong when predicting products that far away. I would be very careful with his rumors, he does not seem to have good sources at GW like others do (based on Pretre's tracker).

Voices in the Trees is one of the BOLS rumor mongers... They are as reliable as someone making stuff up...

We got from Hastings and Sad Panda the HH set is going to be a standalone board game - which is played on 2D tiles according to Panda. Both are a lot more reliable than StW and BOLS. Hastings said the HH miniatures can be used for 30k/40k but they are designed for a board game first and foremost... So probably no vehicles, maybe a walker. And a few character models

My name is gorgon, and and I approve this message.

Some folks on the Heresy 30K board seem to be very worried about "GW taking over HH" because of the rumors from clickbait sites. I don't think some of them have the perspective to know the difference between those places and guys like Harry, Hastings, Sad Panda, etc. While pretre's rumor tracking thread is innately a flawed and imprecise instrument, it really does help put certain things into perspective.

Daston wrote:
30k Space Crusade then?

Yep, that's what I'm thinking too.

**darrkespur**

A terminator squad and a Contemptor dread are fairly similar in points, so I imagine it's probably one of each in the box rather than two, plus two 20 man squads of marines and 2 praetors.That would seem to make more sense compared to other box sets. I'd consider getting two boxes plus a couple of nice FW tanks to make a quick HH force.

**Paradigm**

If, and it's a big if of course, those contents are true then put me down for one right now. Plastic 30k Power Armour? Cool, and cheaper than FW. Plastic Contemptor? Oh God yes! Been wanting one for an age. Plastic Cataphractii Terminators!? Take my money, take it now, and gimme!

Sadly, my 2 favourite-but-too-expensive Forge World units being plasticised sounds too good to be true, so quite possibly is...

**ClockworkZion**

CalgarsPimpHand wrote:
So assuming this is as rumored, and it's basically Space Hulk/Space Crusade as a stand alone box with 28mm plastic 30k marines in it, then the blind squirrel that is GW may have finally found a nut. And then watch them ruin it by making it limited release.

For anyone who's seen my posts, I'm pretty virulently anti-GW at this point, and even I would buy this to play as a stand-alone game. But I won't be able to if they won't freaking print enough of them and keep them up for sale for longer than the several hours this will take to sell out.

The stand-alone game is supposed to be a limited release for six months, but the models will be available after that. Unless you need a special board that means you should be able to still get into it as long as someone has the rules (not to mention selling plastic kits of different Power Armor types is a good way to print money if the resin sales are anything to go by).

**Mathieu Raymond**

And besides, it'll probably drive up the sale of Legion-specific bits. Because it's much easier to rationalize a few dollars for extra bling than... how much for a single squad of FW resin if full equipped? 170USD?

**Azreal13**

Daston wrote:
30k Space Crusade then?

I'd lean more towards budget Zone Mortalis, maybe using the Space Hulk tiles with new skins?

**Warhams-77**

gorgon wrote:

Daston wrote:
30k Space Crusade then?

Yep, that's what I'm thinking too.

Exactly, this is what the reliable sources are telling us. A board game like SC/SH/Advanced Space Crusade/Tyranid Attack but featuring the HH storyline. Hastings mentioned the game will take part in the early days of the Heresy or maybe even before it.

It will have its own rule set which differs so much from 30k/40k that the miniature boxes released after the game will come with rules in the construction manual for this system too (Source: Hastings). So like today's Daemons of Chaos miniatures with WFB+40k stats, the manual in the HH miniature boxes has the Warhammer 30k unit stats/rules and also those for the HH Board Game so you can use the miniatures for both. The scale is going to be 28mm.

Hastings also mentioned we could get sequel games and other products. He pointed out the possibility of Xeno involvement in the future and that this is going to be kind of its own product line. A gateway game like Space Crusade - if you will - to the FW HH products. The miniatures will be cross-compatible according to Sad Panda and FW can probably earn a lot by selling tons of add-on parts and the 'real stuff'.

Win-Win

**CalgarsPimpHand**

ClockworkZion wrote:
CalgarsPimpHand wrote:
So assuming this is as rumored, and it's basically Space Hulk/Space Crusade as a stand alone box with 28mm plastic 30k marines in it, then the blind squirrel that is GW may have finally found a nut. And then watch them ruin it by making it limited release.

For anyone who's seen my posts, I'm pretty virulently anti-GW at this point, and even I would buy this to play as a stand-alone game. But I won't be able to if they won't freaking print enough of them and keep them up for sale for longer than the several hours this will take to sell out.

The stand-alone game is supposed to be a limited release for six months, but the models will be available after that. Unless you need a special board that means you should be able to still get into it as long as someone has the rules (not to mention selling plastic kits of different Power Armor types is a good way to print money if the resin sales are anything to go by).

"As long as someone has the rules" = as long as I have the rules. I would be the only guy in my group of friends to buy something like this. And I don't want to be forced to do it under duress either (i.e. in a very narrow time window at an odd hour in a rush in case it sells out, as GW seems to do their under-stocked limited releases). Call me crazy but I want a chance to see what I'm buying and hear what other people think of it before I spend a ton of money on a board game.

I don't play 40k anymore, and I don't want to. The models are worthless to me otherwise - I want the game. Hopefully GW are smart enough to make sufficient copies, so that people who want it can actually buy it. Given their track record I don't know if that is assured at all.

**ClockworkZion**

Warhams-77 wrote:
Exactly, this is what the reliable sources are telling us. A board game like SC/SH/Advanced Space Crusade/Tyranid Attack but featuring the HH storyline. Hastings mentioned the game will take part in the early days of the Heresy or maybe even before it.

Hastings only said it was a board game. He never said if it was based on new or old mechanics.

Warhams-77 wrote:
Hastings also mentioned we could get sequel games and other products. He pointed out the possibility of Xeno involvement in the future and that this is going to be kind of its own product line.

I don't recall that being presented as a certainty, so it could have just been his speculation.

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CalgarsPimpHand wrote:
(i.e. in a very narrow time window at an odd hour in a rush in case it sells out, as GW seems to do their under-stocked limited releases).

According to Hastings it's supposed to be a six month release run, which hardly puts it in such a limited time to worry about missing out. If they're going to support it for that long I don't see a reason to panic about them selling out on day 1 like they do when Space Hulk re-releases.

**Jehan-reznor**

Daston wrote:
30k Space Crusade then?

I wouldn't mind if it is space crusade with updated miniatures.

**Warhams-77**

Okay, this is what he (and others) wrote on Warseer

Originally Posted by my_name_is_tudor

More Horus Heresy stuff? How dull. They've already done that.

Originally Posted by 75hastings69

Oh no they haven't

Originally Posted by 75hastings69

Think outside the box a little.......... or maybe inside the box

Originally Posted by BasetheRuin

As in think inside the brand new 30k starter box?

I'll have to start saving money then!

Originally Posted by 75hastings69

Originally Posted by my_name_is_tudor

Personally I don't think there's any version of a 30K game that could get me particularly excited, given my assumption that it would focus on the good marines/bad marines bust up and not all the other interesting stuff the Galaxy has to offer...

Originally Posted by 75hastings69

well maybe not initially

Originally Posted by 75hastings69

To end SOME speculation I'll say it's not a different scale. And I'll add that this whilst initially being a standalone product is only the beginning

Oh, and just for the record AFAIK there's no 40k end times. 40k remains as is.

Originally Posted by 75hastings69
Yes indeed, but let's take it a bit further. Let's imagine creating a standalone game, which is only available for say 6 months, BUT then we'll make the models from it available as individual box sets for something we are definitely going to support, something that might take up empty shelf space in stores. Lets ALSO then imagine we then release another standalone game, again limited to so many months, then we make the models from that set available for another range we support.

Obviously I'm just speculating here.... right

Originally Posted by 75hastings69
and so shall I.

Right guys there are several separate rumours that folks are getting mixed up. So I'll at least split it up a little for you. THIS IS NOT RELEASE ORDER, just to help separate the rumours. IT ALSO ISN'T A FULL LIST OF THIS YEARS 40K RELEASES, in fact some of these may be early next year. NONE OF THESE ARE WFB BASED.

Admech Codex & models (full release)
***** Codex & Models (Harlequin sized release)
***** Codex & Models (Harlequin sized release)
***** Standalone Boxed "historical game" models from which will form part of "a full range" (notice I didn't say existing range )
***** Standalone Boxed Game models from which will form part of an existing range

I haven't heard anything about mark 9 armour so don't associate it with any of the above.
Speculate away

Originally Posted by 75hastings69
No. It's HH as stated above.

I think there's a misunderstanding here. BOTH new standalone games will have their model contents released. The first being HH, will see models released as part of the 30k range. The 2nd boxed game models will be released as part of 40k range, part that is currently only available in finecast and not deathwatch before anyone says it again.

Originally Posted by 75hastings69
Totally (well not totally actually) unrelated I did hear that actual CODEXes? (CODices?) god know s the plural, might soon be a thing of the past. with all rules being in box leaflets. Some might even contain 2 sets of rules, one for 40k and one for 30k But I'm not 100% on this.

Originally Posted by 75hastings69
This is partially true. The "starter set" is in fact a standalone game, however I'll accept starter set as it does lead onto the main 30k game. I think it's safe to assume that 30k could/will have a different game mechanic to 40k, or it would be pretty pointless as a standalone game. Hence the reason that some boxes will contain rules for both 30 & 40k (if the rules weren't different they'd only include 1 set of rules.

Originally Posted by 75hastings69
As I previously said I am lead to believe it will be a main range (30k) and will take up the shelf space from lotr/hobbit. I think continued support is pretty much a given.

Originally Posted by 75hastings69
Don't forget once this standalone box is off the shelves/website the contents (models) will for boxes for the main range. I wouldn't be surprised at all if they were in a similar fashion to the recent Deathstorm components.

Originally Posted by 75hastings69
I'm almost 100% certain it will not use the same rules as 40k, if it did it would be pointless as a standalone game, and pointless providing in box rules for 30k & 40k. That's what I think anyway.

Originally Posted by Loyalist87
Admech will come mid April to mid May, so we have a Release slot for the Horus Heresy Box set and some more content at the end of the month.

Let's say I know someone...

At the moment I can say that the release will probably be directly after Admech, but I'm careful with schedules. The date of the releases may change at any time.

Sad Panda

Kalashnichris wrote:
What are they meaning by "standalone" game. Like a space hulk kind of deal?

Miniatures are not snap fit, but the game(s) in the box(es) is(are) definitely more board-game-ish, played on 2D card-board tiles.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/90/637550.page#7631088

Edit: Two confusing quotes about other products like the upcoming codex books removed

**ClockworkZion**

I wouldn't assume Space Crusade. Remember Dreadfleet? Everyone expected Man O' War and got something else instead.

Keep expectations low.

**Warhams-77**

Edit: Added to the above post

**Johnnytorrance**

I hope its a board game, I read yesterday something about rules for HH and xenos and I almost threw a fit.

if they cant get 40k right, why would you include xenos in HH

**Warhams-77**

Not with the Space Crusade rules but a gateway game like SC was to the original 40k

CWZ, yes it is not certain and Hastings is speculating quite a bit. Good point

**ClockworkZion**

Warhams-77 wrote:
Not with the Space Crusade rules but a gateway game like SC was to the original 40k

CWZ, yes it is not certain and Hastings is speculating quite a bit. Good point

When in doubt, don't get excited:

**Warhams-77**

It's a stand-alone board game - there is that. Can be good, can be gak, at least the minis will be more useful than the Dreadfleet ones

**warboss**

ClockworkZion wrote:
I wouldn't assume Space Crusade. Remember Dreadfleet? Everyone expected Man O' War and got something else instead.

Keep expectations low.

That is probably the most evidence based advice given so far in the thread.

**BrookM**

If the models are ace, it will sell like hotcakes.

**Howard A Treesong**

They could release a game along the lines of fighting through Horus' ship. That could be a Marine vs Marine Space Crusade type thing and would not tread on the toes of their main games.

**ClockworkZion**

warboss wrote:
ClockworkZion wrote:
I wouldn't assume Space Crusade. Remember Dreadfleet? Everyone expected Man O' War and got something else instead.

Keep expectations low.

That is probably the most evidence based advice given so far in the thread.

I have my moments.

**Commander Cain**

Looking at the rumoured contents of the box set I can say for certainty that it is far too smart a move for GW. I mean, c'mon, it's everything I ever wanted all neatly boxed up!

**gianlucafiorentini123**

If this is true GW will be getting a lot of money off of me in May. Ad-mech and HH minis in one month

**Sad Panda**

gianlucafiorentini123 wrote:
If this is true GW will be getting a lot of money off of me in May. Ad-mech and HH minis in one month

People should listen to Lords of Wargaming regarding the timing, and I don't think May was part of the original Harry & Hastings rumor.

Not sure who added "May" to the rumor, but that is wrong. I am not even sure if a release-date has been set, but I'd guess 6+ months easily. Some of the other things briefly mentioned by H&H are positively mid-2016 at best.

**ClockworkZion**

LoWG did shoot down May as a Heresy game release as well.