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That would be the most elaborate hoax ever

But you are right, of course, Every sprue produced in God knows how long has the copyright and the year. Then again, these could be early test runs /models produced for the studio to paint up.

Do those appear to be the standard-sized marine legs? FW legs give marines some much needed height imo. Honestly, FW would make a killing if they just sold a space marine leg set

It may be in the picture but, it's so cruddy quality it could just blend.

Doubtful, of course.

MacMuckles wrote:
Do those appear to be the standard-sized marine legs? FW legs give marines some much needed height imo. Honestly, FW would make a killing if they just sold a space marine leg set

They look devastator leg-size to me.

 Talys wrote:

MacMuckles wrote:
Do those appear to be the standard-sized marine legs? FW legs give marines some much needed height imo. Honestly, FW would make a killing if they just sold a space marine leg set

They look devastator leg-size to me.

Which are roughly between FW marine and Tac Marine sized, right? That's what I heard, I haven't really had time to pick up a Dev set and look through unfortunately...

@MacfMuckles - Dev legs are the same height as standard (tactical) marine legs, but significantly bulkier.

 Manchu wrote:
I remember and I hope those are for real but it worries me that there is no Citadel tradmark or copyright info like on the AoS starter sprues.

The images have most of the sprue edges in near darkness, even zoomed in it is near impossible to see any detail on them, so it's quite possible that they're there, we just can't see them.

It's also just struck me that this could be my last GW purchase in some time, if not ever, the way things are going, as it will give me more than enough stuff to finish my current army project, and I'm just not excited enough to play any of their game to warrant further investment.

I'd say it makes me sad, but honestly, the care has been beaten out of me, and largely replaced with apathy, but it could well be the end of a more than 25 year old part of my life.

Unless the game reignites my interest of course.

Your move GW.

No pressure.

Edited by Manchu - Rule One is Be Polite

I watched some guys play 40k at the LGS a couple of weeks ago and it looked terrible, just a bunch of stuff piled up on the table so that the two sides basically started within a handful of inches from each other. It really reminded me why I lost all interest in the game, which is a shame because I still love the setting and would by miniatures if there was a game worth playing with them. So I am excited about the possibility of an AoS-style 30k game. Nothing could be better suited to the design of AoS than SM v SM fighting.

 Azreal13 wrote:
Your move GW.

HH will have AoS style rules. Just wait.

I'm not overly concerned if that happens, because, as Manchu says, when it's Marine on Marine it is much easier to balance.

It will almost certainly lack some of the tactical depth of some of the other games I've been playing/looking to play, but if it's fair and if it's fun, then it will still have a place in my gaming life.

I'm pretty sure HH will keep using FW rules... the HH board game that GW will release will use board game rules

 Manchu wrote:
I watched some guys play 40k at the LGS a couple of weeks ago and it looked terrible, just a bunch of stuff piled up on the table so that the two sides basically started within a handful of inches from each other. It really reminded me why I lost all interest in the game, which is a shame because I still love the setting and would by miniatures if there was a game worth playing with them. So I am excited about the possibility of an AoS-style 30k game. Nothing could be better suited to the design of AoS than SM v SM fighting.

You always start 24" apart in 40k.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Azreal13 wrote:
Your move GW.

HH will have AoS style rules. Just wait.

Yeah it does.

Not the end of the world, as FW has put out excellent rules of their own.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Azreal13 wrote:
Your move GW.

HH will have AoS style rules. Just wait.

If the rumors are to be believed, HH may have Space Hulk style rules

Or Assassin Execution Force

 Talys wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Azreal13 wrote:
Your move GW.

HH will have AoS style rules. Just wait.

If the rumors are to be believed, HH may have Space Hulk style rules

Or Assassin Execution Force

Well I have not read the Assassin Execution Force, but I would be happy with the other two.

I said Space Hulk, by the way, because someone posted somewhere that it would be a boarding-style game, with asymmetric forces. And cardboard terrain. Sounds a lot Space Hulky to me.

I actually really liked Space Hulk, right from 1st edition. Definitely one of my favorite GW specialist games.

 Talys wrote:
I said Space Hulk, by the way, because someone posted somewhere that it would be a boarding-style game, with asymmetric forces. And cardboard terrain. Sounds a lot Space Hulky to me.

I actually really liked Space Hulk, right from 1st edition. Definitely one of my favorite GW specialist games.

Same here, I have managed to get a copy of every edition so far...

If this is the same, well I still got some shelf space...someplace...maybe...

 Manchu wrote:
I watched some guys play 40k at the LGS a couple of weeks ago and it looked terrible, just a bunch of stuff piled up on the table so that the two sides basically started within a handful of inches from each other. It really reminded me why I lost all interest in the game, which is a shame because I still love the setting and would by miniatures if there was a game worth playing with them. So I am excited about the possibility of an AoS-style 30k game. Nothing could be better suited to the design of AoS than SM v SM fighting.

You keep your age of sigmar creative diahreha as far away from anything remotely related to 40k. That game is an abortion.

 Orock wrote:

 Manchu wrote:
I watched some guys play 40k at the LGS a couple of weeks ago and it looked terrible, just a bunch of stuff piled up on the table so that the two sides basically started within a handful of inches from each other. It really reminded me why I lost all interest in the game, which is a shame because I still love the setting and would by miniatures if there was a game worth playing with them. So I am excited about the possibility of an AoS-style 30k game. Nothing could be better suited to the design of AoS than SM v SM fighting.

You keep your age of sigmar creative diahreha as far away from anything remotely related to 40k. That game is an abortion.

Let's be honest, the rules could work quite well for the Horus Heresy. Much easier to balance, although the FW rules would still be superior.

As soon as AoS came out I remembered this. I'm calling it 40k, will get the Sig treatment in some form or another. GW says they are a models company and 40k has always had some clunky rules with many revisions, maybe they'll just squat everything after 7th and start anew with this this crap (not the models but Aos style rules).

 BrookM wrote:
Not the end of the world, as FW has put out excellent rules of their own.

You're assuming FW will be permitted to continue their own series going forward, or that if they are permitted to continue they won't be forced to use GW's new AoS-ified game as the baseline for their own system rather than 6thEd 40K. People will scoff, but they scoffed at the idea GW would eradicate Fantasy as a setting, then they scoffed at the idea the replacement would be a Planescape/Viking myth mashup-ripoff, and then they scoffed at the idea the game mechanics of the replacement could simultaneously be dramatically simplified AND almost totally lacking in structure, yet here we stand, in GW's brave new world.

The usual refrain is that GW wouldn't possibly be stupid enough to AoS-ify their other IPs, which are financially much more successful than Fantasy was at the end(due to GW's own incompetence and mismanagement of it more than anything else), but when have GW ever done anything other than go full-on with their latest whackaloonery? Every couple of years the management comes up with some brilliant new idea and the direction of their output must be shifted accordingly; first they streamlined 40K down into 3rd Edition, then they bloated it with so much supplementary material and codices designed under contradictory philosophies that they had to re-streamline it in 4th & 5th, then they chucked that whole ethos out the window for 6th and went full-RDJ on their own bizarre definition of the word "narrative" that seems to mean anything they want it to mean, and carried on with that in 7th, but still not without completely shifting their design philosophy for army lists on multiple occasions.

GW think they are on to a winner with AoS. I'm sure many here will disagree with that, but we won't know for certain for at least a year or two, because in the meantime there will be some level of increase in Fantasy sales whether AoS is destined to last or not through a combination of people panic-buying existing models to finish existing armies for Realhammer, people buying the new models for use in existing armies(where thematically appropriate) or for 40K conversions, and the newshiny crowd(who many MMO developers have learned to their cost cannot be relied upon to support a business). The problem is GW claim they do no market research, so they don't know why any particular person is buying any particular kit, merely that it has been bought, and understanding the why is a necessary prerequisite for predicting future behaviour(ie spending on GW product) from previous behaviour, but GW don't seem to give a gak about that.

They're launching this Heresy box right after the initial wave of AoS releases, well before it's sound to draw any conclusions about AoS' success or otherwise and the reasons for either, and again short-term we know the Heresy box will sell like mad; between newshinies who want the latest thing itself, folk buying to use in 40K, folk buying to complete existing FW30K armies, and folk buying into FW30K who were previously discouraged by the price/qualities of resin models, it's sure to be a great success in terms of raw sales. From GW's limited "why is otiose" viewpoint, they'll have just launched two wildly successful AoS-ified products, one of them based around their Golden Goose; I don't see them being mental enough to take that as a green-light to AoS-ify everything(regardless of potential long-term consequences) as a far-fetched scenario frankly, based on their previous behaviour.

Why do I get the impression that every time someone says "GW would never be stupid enough to..." someone at Lenton takes that as a challenge?

Bah, it's always this:



FETH THAT.

 Yodhrin wrote:

The usual refrain is that GW wouldn't possibly be stupid enough to AoS-ify their other IPs, which are financially much more successful than Fantasy was at the end(due to GW's own incompetence and mismanagement of it more than anything else), but when have GW ever done anything other than go full-on with their latest whackaloonery?

While I'm firmly in the camp that 40k rules are superior to AoS rules in terms of what I'm looking for in a game... I wonder what people will think if, somehow, AoS turns out to be long-term profitable for GW? In other words, if GW makes something that's totally not for them (and not really for me), but it makes GW a lot of money, will people still think that they are foolish for doing so?

This is actually pretty relevant to Forge World: Forge World and 30k as it exists today is not really for most people. For 99%+ of the world's population, and probably 99%+ of the wargaming population building a 2500 point army (the starting point around which the game is optimized) is totally unaffordable, really expensive books that make 40k codexes seem cheap, the inevitable "other pieces" you need in your army, large robot kits that are $1000+, resin gaming boards that cost $200 for a 2x2 and so forth. If you had asked me, I would have said, "no way, such a company could not survive."

And yet, Forge World thrives; it probably does as much in sales all by itself as a lot of small miniature wargaming companies.

What if this box set is something along the lines of a Zone Mortalis type of game? Something with breachers and defenders? Something that is somewhere in between Space Hulk and 40K? I would look forward to something like that. Biggest problem with 40K is the rules being dispersed everywhere and not being able to always know the rules of your opponent due to some formation, detachment, or Forgeworld item, etc.

 BrookM wrote:
Bah, it's always this:



FETH THAT.

You can easily apply that to both sides.

He is not wrong that there is a precedence of GW doing the 'they would never do that' stuff, and not in a good way.

I think it's fething bs that people automatically assume that FW is going to lose it or have to change their system.

Why? FW has followed suit every time GW has updated the game so far.

It would be more BS to assume they would be unchanged, because such a thing is without precedence.