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 Frazzled wrote:
31? pfft come talk to me when you're 131. Until then the wife is going to pinch your cheeks when she sees you (and I'm going to steal your wallet while you're distracted. dog treats aint free you know!)

Oh, for sure. I'm very aware that my ideas and opinions are going to continue to change, especially now that I'm a parent. It's that whole Socratic thing, right?


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 hotsauceman1 wrote:

I like how you somehow know my life experiance. I know what I know. And I know that if people are willing to kill over a piece of cloth, especially if it is for a stupid reason, something is wrong.

You share quite a bit on here. I'm sure you're not unaware of that. Unless you completely misrepresent yourself on Dakka (and I don't think you do; I think you're an honest dude), the info you share allows us to have a pretty good bead on "hotsauceman the dude."

 cincydooley wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:
31? pfft come talk to me when you're 131. Until then the wife is going to pinch your cheeks when she sees you (and I'm going to steal your wallet while you're distracted. dog treats aint free you know!)

Oh, for sure. I'm very aware that my ideas and opinions are going to continue to change, especially now that I'm a parent. It's that whole Socratic thing, right?


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 hotsauceman1 wrote:

I like how you somehow know my life experiance. I know what I know. And I know that if people are willing to kill over a piece of cloth, especially if it is for a stupid reason, something is wrong.

You share quite a bit on here. I'm sure you're not unaware of that. Unless you completely misrepresent yourself on Dakka (and I don't think you do; I think you're an honest dude), the info you share allows us to have a pretty good bead on "hotsauceman the dude."

You're a Dad now? yea Dad's age at the same rate as dogs until the kids hit 18.

And wait, Hostauceman is the Dude? Someone get me a White Russian and pronto.

 Frazzled wrote:


You're a Dad now? yea Dad's age at the same rate as dogs until the kids hit 18.

Hah! Yeah. She's 6 months old as of this weekend. The time is flying. Already feel like I don't have enough in the 529 (even though I know I certainly won't, ever. Hah!)

And wait, Hostauceman is the Dude? Someone get me a White Russian and pronto.

I can certainly oblige a Caucasian right about now.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
They don't have to agree, the supreme court has held up several times it is my right to disrespect the flag. And if they get mad, it proves my point. We put way to much focus on the flag and meaningless symbols.

How much meaning a symbol has is not a universal thing. You may think it's meaningless, but it obviously isn't to other people.

I remember my friend said that if you are a parent, you learn to love kids music and that it is the greatest.
But no, I'm no liberal. I'm a libertarian
I believe to money I make is mine alone and no one especially else's unless they give me a service (the got gives me plenty of services)
I also believe that everyone has a right to live their life free from harassment or persecution from the govt and other instituitions.
But I also support the right for a company to uphold it's values and ban anyone they don't like or agree with, same with churches.
I also hate Rap.
Let me ask you, did you know all that about me?

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
I remember my friend said that if you are a parent, you learn to love kids music and that it is the greatest.
But no, I'm no liberal. I'm a libertarian
I believe to money I make is mine alone and no one especially else's unless they give me a service (the got gives me plenty of services)
I also believe that everyone has a right to live their life free from harassment or persecution from the govt and other instituitions.
But I also support the right for a company to uphold it's values and ban anyone they don't like or agree with, same with churches.
I also hate Rap.
Let me ask you, did you know all that about me?

Yes, you've made much of that clear over the course of the past two years we've all gotten to "know" you.

I'd also contend your political leanings have also changed quite a bit in the past year or so. You were very much an SJW when you started up here.

Because I got tired of that. And because it got me nowhere fast.
I'm also getting a gun and cc permit soon too, did you know that.

Didn't know about the rap part.


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 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Because I got tired of that. And because it got me nowhere fast.
I'm also getting a gun and cc permit soon too, did you know that.

Er...I don't think you can get a CC in Cali.

You should visit the gun thread if yhou're seriously interested, but i'll ask the question I ask everyone. Why do you want a gun?

Yep, heavy metal and Electronica for life.
and a bit of George thorogood

 Frazzled wrote:
Er...I don't think you can get a CC in Cali.

You should visit the gun thread if yhou're seriously interested, but i'll ask the question I ask everyone. Why do you want a gun?

Yeah, if you're in Cali good luck. Especially if you are still living in university accommodation.

 Frazzled wrote:
Didn't know about the rap part.


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 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Because I got tired of that. And because it got me nowhere fast.
I'm also getting a gun and cc permit soon too, did you know that.

Er...I don't think you can get a CC in Cali.

You should visit the gun thread if yhou're seriously interested, but i'll ask the question I ask everyone. Why do you want a gun?

I thought they changed that. But I'm not considering it for a bit. Living on campus I can't have one. But to answer your question, protection.

Yep go to the other thread for that discussion.

Concerning the UCI topic, don't really care. Thinking back on student centers I can only remember the bars, and then what they served.

 Frazzled wrote:
Yep go to the other thread for that discussion.

Concerning the UCI topic, don't really care. Thinking back on student centers I can only remember the bars, and then what they served.

I thought College Station was dry?

 Frazzled wrote:
Yep go to the other thread for that discussion.

Concerning the UCI topic, don't really care. Thinking back on student centers I can only remember the bars, and then what they served.

.....what student centers has bars?

 kronk wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:
Yep go to the other thread for that discussion.

Concerning the UCI topic, don't really care. Thinking back on student centers I can only remember the bars, and then what they served.

I thought College Station was dry?

I didn't go there (the Boy however tells me it is quite wet).

I was thinking you were A&M. My bad.

 kronk wrote:
I was thinking you were A&M. My bad.

My Boy is. 3rd year. All A's. Math and Comp majors with minor of physics.

I can count to 16 if I take my shoes off.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Because I got tired of that. And because it got me nowhere fast.

You see that you're making my point, yes?

I'm also getting a gun and cc permit soon too, did you know that.

Hopefully you'll actually shoot one a few times before you purchase it. And do the proper research.

I'll applaud your for exercising your right, but I'll also encourage you to be properly educated and trained with the firearm.

I find I do my best shooting with my eyes closed.

 Orlanth wrote:
The rest are left because it pays to be on the left and there is power to be wielded on the left, even in the US.

What is the left, to your mind?

Relapse wrote:

You forgot a fourth reason: To get attention for themselves, either in order to get laid, or just have people notice what would be an otherwise non description person.

You mean self-interest?

the funny thing is, that this is only a national flag ban...

so if people started hanging confederation flags, thats still allowed.


such over PC gobbledeegook

 easysauce wrote:
the funny thing is, that this is only a national flag ban...

so if people started hanging confederation flags, thats still allowed.


such over PC gobbledeegook

Interestingly, I wonder if that would also, then, include Nazi regime flags....

Or even old Soviet flags?

 hotsauceman1 wrote:

 djones520 wrote:

Spetulhu wrote:
What's with having the flag everywhere anyways? And the Oath?

Over here the flag is flown when there's an official flag day, or for birthdays, or deaths (halfway ofc), or welcoming a foreign guest with his and our flag. You're allowed to fly it for any reason as long as you follow the guidelines, but very very few fly it just because "it's our flag". And the Oath, well... I've given exactly one such and that's when I completed basic training on my mandatory military service.

One would think things become meaningless if you do them every day without thinking. Almost as meaningless as student organisations protesting against things just because.

Because it is not a meaningless symbol to a lot of us.

I'll admit, I get a funny feeling in my chest every time Retreat sounds on base, and I'm standing their saluting the flag as it is lowered. It invokes a sense of pride in my nation. It's an actual symbol that I can focus on.

I am proud of our flag, and it does anger me when I see it disrespected.

it is really just a piece of cloth, people put way to much into it really.

Did you read anything I just said?

It is not just a piece of cloth. It is a symbol. A symbol for something that I have devoted my life towards. Who are you to tell me that it is meaningless?

To me it is. I put stock in what America has done and what it will continue to do. Not something that waves in the wind.


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 cincydooley wrote:

 easysauce wrote:
the funny thing is, that this is only a national flag ban...

so if people started hanging confederation flags, thats still allowed.


such over PC gobbledeegook

Interestingly, I wonder if that would also, then, include Nazi regime flags....

Or even old Soviet flags?

While I ant speak for irvine. Here flags are flown, but there is a ban on symbols that incite hatred, so the former would apply.


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 Frazzled wrote:

 kronk wrote:
I was thinking you were A&M. My bad.

My Boy is. 3rd year. All A's. Math and Comp majors with minor of physics.

I can count to 16 if I take my shoes off.

you mentioned he was at davis?
math and minoring is all the more impressive in a quarter system.
My mother can't stop bragging how I'm at a uc. She said when I was in elementary school, no one thought I would make it pass high school

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Because I got tired of that. And because it got me nowhere fast.
I'm also getting a gun and cc permit soon too, did you know that.

 cincydooley wrote:
Hopefully you'll actually shoot one a few times before you purchase it. And do the proper research.

I'll applaud your for exercising your right, but I'll also encourage you to be properly educated and trained with the firearm.

Just to echo this sentiment; read and get very familiar with the Four Rules in advance. Go to a reputable range, fire a variety of pistols (Single action/Double action, revolver, striker fired, etc.) in a variety of calibers, and find the one that works best for you performance wise and comfort wise.

If the instructor at the range tells you something then listen. Most have been around firearms for a very long time, and many are ex-military or LEO. They are a goldmine of knowledge if you want to listen.

 dogma wrote:

 Orlanth wrote:
The rest are left because it pays to be on the left and there is power to be wielded on the left, even in the US.

What is the left, to your mind?

Relapse wrote:

You forgot a fourth reason: To get attention for themselves, either in order to get laid, or just have people notice what would be an otherwise non description person.

You mean self-interest?

Nicely put.

djones520 wrote:

It is not just a piece of cloth. It is a symbol. A symbol for something that I have devoted my life towards. Who are you to tell me that it is meaningless?

hotsauceman1 wrote:To me it is. I put stock in what America has done and what it will continue to do. Not something that waves in the wind.

But, for djones, myself and others like us, the American Flag is a symbol of what America has done and what it will continue to do (both good and bad)


The thing about symbols is that they are quite subjective in many ways. Sure there's the objective "Symbol X represents Y" such as the Union Jack representing the United Kingdom, or a red maple leaf on a while field surrounded by 2 red bars represents canada.

But, even innocuous symbols can spark hatred in people, given the right circumstances




All of those symbols that I posted in the spoiler tag represent "something" whether they represent hate or not is entirely up to the person seeing it. For most of us, seeing a Man U. logo doesn't do gak, other than to say "hey, there's a [fan, the stadium, etc] of Man. U." But for people who hold allegiance to whoever Man U's arch-rival is, that image is probably going to get them going in a negative way. The same thing for the Springbok.... Remember, when Mandela got the country united, he fought to keep the Springbok logo (there was a compromise made in adding the Proteus flower to the logo) because for the blacks of SA, it was a symbol of the racist and oppressive Apartheid system.

 DarkLink wrote:
Hey, we also had a bunch of UCs pass resolutions to stop all business relations with any Israel based company, because they have an understanding of middle eastern politics as deeps as... something that's not very deep. They're not the sharpest tools in the proverbial shed.

Was this the same school that told a girl because she was Jewish she was to biased to be a part of the student council?

Edit: nope it was UCLA.
http://www.mtv.com/news/2098265/ucla-reject-jewish-student-council-beyda/

 Ensis Ferrae wrote:

djones520 wrote:

It is not just a piece of cloth. It is a symbol. A symbol for something that I have devoted my life towards. Who are you to tell me that it is meaningless?

hotsauceman1 wrote:To me it is. I put stock in what America has done and what it will continue to do. Not something that waves in the wind.

But, for djones, myself and others like us, the American Flag is a symbol of what America has done and what it will continue to do (both good and bad)

My main problem with the flag (okay, not exactly the flag but attitudes regarding the flag) is that I have often seen the symbol placed at a higher level then whatever it is supposed to represent. And when the symbol is more important that whatever it symbolizes, then it becomes a problem.

The major example in that regards when it comes to the flag are the attempts to ban the burning of the flag or any other related flag laws. If people want to display a torn up flag without lighting it up, they should be able to. If people want to draw a swastika on the flag and fly it they should be able to. If people want to take a giant crap on the flag and then burn it, they should be able to. If people want to make flag tampons they should be able to. People should be able to do whatever they want with our flag. That doesn't mean that I don't think that whatever they are doing is extremely disrespectful, and it absolutely doesn't mean that you or djones can't get extremely pissed off when people do those things. It just means that people should be free to do those things.

The flag has zero authority. The flag doesn't write law. The flag is not part of our government. The only function of the flag is to be a symbol of all those things. It is a symbol of our country, it is a symbol for our laws, it is a symbol for our freedoms and accomplishments. It is also a symbol of our struggles, a symbol of "american imperialism", a symbol of racial bias, or whatever else anyone wants to see it as a symbol for. But the flag is not a source of law and it is not a source of our freedoms.

One such freedoms is our freedom of speech, which includes the freedom to burn the flag or desecrate it any other way that anyone wants to desecrate it. Our flag is great because it is a symbol of that freedom. But when you restrict any of the freedoms that the flag symbolizes in order to protect the symbol itself, then it becomes a meaningless piece of cloth. When you pass laws placing the symbol of the freedom above the actual freedoms it symbolizes, then both become meaningless.

I'm not accusing you or djones of any of this, it's just one of those things that I feel strongly about when it comes to the flag and the things it symbolizes to me. It might also be fairly off-topic in this thread by now, so sorry if it is.