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Relapse wrote:
I had cause to work closely with CPS a few years ago as well as had several talks with a cousin who worked children's cases for 30 years.
There are a fair number of ways that someone who claims to identify as a different gender can harm children. Rape is the first thing that comes to mind, injury, both physical and mental, is another.


That's an explanation of how rapists and abusers can harm children, not how merely being aware that someone's gender isn't black and white can harm them.


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 Slarg232 wrote:
Say, less the Woman Trapped in a Man's Body wanting to be in the female bathroom with kids, but the Male Child Molester who "Identifies" as a woman to get into the female bathroom with kids.


So why aren't we terrified of the male who identifies as a man and abuses male children? Why not, instead of worrying about transgendered people, fix the problem directly by making a separate locker room where no adults of any sex/gender are allowed?

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 hotsauceman1 wrote:
They aren't claiming to be, they are.


Jesus Christ... you know what I fething meant.


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 hotsauceman1 wrote:
 d-usa wrote:
Bigotry is bigotry, people will defend it. Next generation some other form of bigotry will be defended.

I keep hoping the next bigotry will be against humanxmachine relationships


That's my future wife you're talking about. A robotic woman who's happy to stay at home naked in the kitchen to make me a sandwich

Let's hope the next bigotry is against bigots

Bravo to the gym, it's nice to see how decent people handle sensitive issues.



 
   
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sirlynchmob wrote:
 hotsauceman1 wrote:
 d-usa wrote:
Bigotry is bigotry, people will defend it. Next generation some other form of bigotry will be defended.

I keep hoping the next bigotry will be against humanxmachine relationships


That's my future wife you're talking about. A robotic woman who's happy to stay at home naked in the kitchen to make me a sandwich

Let's hope the next bigotry is against bigots

Bravo to the gym, it's nice to see how decent people handle sensitive issues.




Once again, we don't know at what stage of Trans the person was in; was she mostly a woman? Did she still have a penis?


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 Slarg232 wrote:
sirlynchmob wrote:
 hotsauceman1 wrote:
 d-usa wrote:
Bigotry is bigotry, people will defend it. Next generation some other form of bigotry will be defended.

I keep hoping the next bigotry will be against humanxmachine relationships


That's my future wife you're talking about. A robotic woman who's happy to stay at home naked in the kitchen to make me a sandwich

Let's hope the next bigotry is against bigots

Bravo to the gym, it's nice to see how decent people handle sensitive issues.




Once again, we don't know at what stage of Trans the person was in; was she mostly a woman? Did she still have a penis?



I fail to see how that is an issue.

 
   
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sirlynchmob wrote:
 Slarg232 wrote:
sirlynchmob wrote:
 hotsauceman1 wrote:
 d-usa wrote:
Bigotry is bigotry, people will defend it. Next generation some other form of bigotry will be defended.

I keep hoping the next bigotry will be against humanxmachine relationships


That's my future wife you're talking about. A robotic woman who's happy to stay at home naked in the kitchen to make me a sandwich

Let's hope the next bigotry is against bigots

Bravo to the gym, it's nice to see how decent people handle sensitive issues.




Once again, we don't know at what stage of Trans the person was in; was she mostly a woman? Did she still have a penis?



I fail to see how that is an issue.



I dunno about anyone, but I'd be rather surprised if I walked into the men's locker room and a full bodied woman was naked in it. If he in that case had a penis/reduced breasts it's one thing, but what is essentially a normal woman in the men's locker room? That would be slightly more than awkward.

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We don't even know if she was naked.
   
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1 person going to the opposite sex's locker room with 3 people = 1 person inconveniencing 3 people.

1 person going in his own sex's locker room despite person thinking he's not male / female = 1 inconvenienced person.

Do the math.

Seriously, though, before the golden social justice shower comes raining down again: in a locker room, nobody gives a poo about what you think you are. If you look like a man to others, you're man to them. If you look like a woman to others, you're a woman to them. If you purposefully mix that up, then it's you purposefully causing trouble. If you feel that not setting people up would let you fall into a deep existential crisis, then you have extremely serious problems.

If you feel, for whatever reason, oppressed, then the proper way is to adress the studio owner / your major etc. and make a call for unisex dressing rooms or any similar reason. Trying to force your opionion / ideas upon others is just poor behavior. Yes, it might be that others are just bigots, but provoking them by purposefully setting them up and thus causing negative experiences is the worst way to handle the issue.

   
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 d-usa wrote:
We don't even know if she was naked.


Which is a problem with the article; there is no info given other than "Trans found in bathroom".

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 Sigvatr wrote:
1 person going to the opposite sex's locker room with 3 people = 1 person inconveniencing 3 people.

1 person going in his own sex's locker room despite person thinking he's not male / female = 1 inconvenienced person.

Do the math.

Not everything is solved by simple Maths.
And why are they inconvienenced? its a women, just in the wrong body.

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 hotsauceman1 wrote:

Not everything is solved by simple Maths.


Read the next sentence.

And why are they inconvienenced? its a women, just in the wrong body.


Incorrect. It's a man identifying as a woman.

   
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No, it is a women. What part of that do you not understand?

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Leerstetten, Germany

1 Jew send to a camp = one angry person.
15 angry nazis if the Jew doesn't go to a camp = 15 angry persons.

Simple math people!

(How many squares?)
   
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 d-usa wrote:
1 Jew send to a camp = one angry person.
15 angry nazis if the Jew doesn't go to a camp = 15 angry persons.

Simple math people!

(How many squares?)

Godwinned!!!!!!!!

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 d-usa wrote:
1 Jew send to a camp = one angry person.
15 angry nazis if the Jew doesn't go to a camp = 15 angry persons.

Simple math people!

(How many squares?)


Ladies and Gentlemen, Godwin has LEFT the building!

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 d-usa wrote:
1 Jew send to a camp = one angry person.
15 angry nazis if the Jew doesn't go to a camp = 15 angry persons.

Simple math people!

(How many squares?)


Read the next sentence. You might make smarter posts if you would read them entirely first and then hit the "Submit Reply" button. Just sayin'.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
No, it is a women. What part of that do you not understand?


You see him as a woman. Objectively, it's a man identifying himself as a woman.

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 Sigvatr wrote:

If you feel, for whatever reason, oppressed, then the proper way is to adress the studio owner / your major etc. and make a call for unisex dressing rooms or any similar reason. Trying to force your opionion / ideas upon others is just poor behavior. Yes, it might be that others are just bigots, but provoking them by purposefully setting them up and thus causing negative experiences is the worst way to handle the issue.


So you agree that the woman that was kicked out of the gym was in the wrong, and that if she felt oppressed then the proper way was for her to adress the studio owner / her major etc and make a call for unisex dressing room or any similar reason. Her trying to force her opinion / ideas on others (including the other women in the gym) was just poor behavior. Yes, it might be that others are just bigots, but her provoking the person by purposefully setting up opposition to her sharing the dressing room and thus causing negative experiences is the worst way to handle the issue.


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 Sigvatr wrote:

You see him as a woman. Objectively, it's a man identifying himself as a woman.


Objectively it is you identifying her as a man.

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 Sigvatr wrote:
Objectively, it's a man identifying himself as a woman.


Sure, if by "objectively" you mean "in my opinion, which has nothing to do with the objective facts of the situation".

There is no such thing as a hobby without politics. "Leave politics at the door" is itself a political statement, an endorsement of the status quo and an attempt to silence dissenting voices. 
   
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Again, read thoroughly and stop jumping to conclusions. Point out to the exact point where I said the woman was in the right. Do it. Please.

You can't? I'm surprised. Read throughly. Ask if ye don't understand.

The woman was obviously misbehaving. She signed the contract and thus agreed with the no-discrimination part. So she never had any right to complain to begin with. Secondly, she kept slandering about the person in question which is downright poor behavior. The best way, for her, would have been to talk to the management and then live with the management's decision. It's their facility and they decide the rules...she was well aware of.

 d-usa wrote:


Objectively it is you identifying her as a man.


Incorrect for the very most part. Most transgender are born with one sex, either male or female, and are thus either man or woman. They can then decide what they want to identify themselves as. Objectively, they still are a man / woman identifying with the same or opposite gender...or anything else they want to. There is a very small portion of the population where there's no clear sex at birth, but for most, the former is the case. Anything beyond that is your opinion coming in.

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 Slarg232 wrote:
sirlynchmob wrote:
 Slarg232 wrote:
sirlynchmob wrote:
 hotsauceman1 wrote:
 d-usa wrote:
Bigotry is bigotry, people will defend it. Next generation some other form of bigotry will be defended.

I keep hoping the next bigotry will be against humanxmachine relationships


That's my future wife you're talking about. A robotic woman who's happy to stay at home naked in the kitchen to make me a sandwich

Let's hope the next bigotry is against bigots

Bravo to the gym, it's nice to see how decent people handle sensitive issues.




Once again, we don't know at what stage of Trans the person was in; was she mostly a woman? Did she still have a penis?



I fail to see how that is an issue.



I dunno about anyone, but I'd be rather surprised if I walked into the men's locker room and a full bodied woman was naked in it. If he in that case had a penis/reduced breasts it's one thing, but what is essentially a normal woman in the men's locker room? That would be slightly more than awkward.


Maybe for you. As everything about this is speculation, let's assume when this person signed up for a gym membership showed their state issued ID, under sex: "F" She signs up for a membership and brings it up, making sure the gym knows about it. The gym says, that's cool.

someone gets offended, makes a big stick out of it, the gym does the right thing.








 
   
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 hotsauceman1 wrote:
No, it is a women. What part of that do you not understand?


I think it's the whole penis and testicles part.

 
   
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 Sigvatr wrote:
Most transgender are born with one sex, either male or female, and are thus either man or woman.


I don't think you understand the difference between sex and gender. "Male" is sex, "man" is gender. The two usually go together, but not always.

There is no such thing as a hobby without politics. "Leave politics at the door" is itself a political statement, an endorsement of the status quo and an attempt to silence dissenting voices. 
   
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The person would not even have to do this. Article says that everyone can identify as male / female based on self-information, so e.g. even just when the issue comes up, you could say you identify as male / female and you would be good. Having that very open attitude has its ups and down though. On the one hand, it grants great freedom and safety to anyone identifying with any gender, on the other hand, it's a blanket allowance for pervs. Yet the former definitely outweights the latter.

   
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sirlynchmob wrote:
 Slarg232 wrote:
sirlynchmob wrote:
 Slarg232 wrote:
sirlynchmob wrote:
 hotsauceman1 wrote:
 d-usa wrote:
Bigotry is bigotry, people will defend it. Next generation some other form of bigotry will be defended.

I keep hoping the next bigotry will be against humanxmachine relationships


That's my future wife you're talking about. A robotic woman who's happy to stay at home naked in the kitchen to make me a sandwich

Let's hope the next bigotry is against bigots

Bravo to the gym, it's nice to see how decent people handle sensitive issues.




Once again, we don't know at what stage of Trans the person was in; was she mostly a woman? Did she still have a penis?



I fail to see how that is an issue.



I dunno about anyone, but I'd be rather surprised if I walked into the men's locker room and a full bodied woman was naked in it. If he in that case had a penis/reduced breasts it's one thing, but what is essentially a normal woman in the men's locker room? That would be slightly more than awkward.


Maybe for you. As everything about this is speculation, let's assume when this person signed up for a gym membership showed their state issued ID, under sex: "F" She signs up for a membership and brings it up, making sure the gym knows about it. The gym says, that's cool.

someone gets offended, makes a big stick out of it, the gym does the right thing.









If the Gym is cool with it, you would think at the very least they would do one of two things;

1) Post signs about being more open minded about certain things; heads up is never a bad thing, especially when, worst case scenario, it's a predator or perv going into the wrong bathroom. to look for prey/whatever. That at least lets people make the decision beforehand if they want to take a shower there or wait till they get home.

2) designate a unisex bathroom for everyone who wants private changing. Quite a few gyms have these already.

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 Slarg232 wrote:


If the Gym is cool with it, you would think at the very least they would do one of two things;

1) Post signs about being more open minded about certain things; heads up is never a bad thing, especially when, worst case scenario, it's a predator or perv going into the wrong bathroom. to look for prey/whatever. That at least lets people make the decision beforehand if they want to take a shower there or wait till they get home.

2) designate a unisex bathroom for everyone who wants private changing. Quite a few gyms have these already.


1. I'm sure it's in their contract that you have to sign when you become a member.

2. all locker rooms have stalls, if your that bashful you can change in one of them.

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 cincydooley wrote:
 hotsauceman1 wrote:
No, it is a women. What part of that do you not understand?


I think it's the whole penis and testicles part.



   
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 Peregrine wrote:
 Sigvatr wrote:
Most transgender are born with one sex, either male or female, and are thus either man or woman.


I don't think you understand the difference between sex and gender. "Male" is sex, "man" is gender. The two usually go together, but not always.


So a person can be a "Male Woman"?

I guess I'm too old fashioned to really comprehend that.

The only person I know who claims to be that is the person who puts stuff in my letterbox.

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 Peregrine wrote:
 Sigvatr wrote:
Most transgender are born with one sex, either male or female, and are thus either man or woman.


I don't think you understand the difference between sex and gender. "Male" is sex, "man" is gender. The two usually go together, but not always.


So you're saying if they slap "Male" and "Female" on the locker room doors, you're okay, yeah?

Or maybe they should just stick with Arrows and Chalices?

 
   
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Or unisex, and everyone can shut the feth up about it.

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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Or unisex, and everyone can shut the feth up about it.


I just don't think that would fly in a lot of the United States. Culturally, we're still pretty conservative as a whole regarding people being naked around each other, especially when we don't know them.

 
   
 
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