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I decided to ignore super heavy LOW's for my list, because I don't have enough experience with them. (Also most of them are bad for their point cost anyway.)


1.Flyrant: such a great all around tac choice that, due to the broken fmc rules, is really hard to handle.

2.Wave serpent: obsec, speedy, tough, great range, can handle anything armor 12 or lower.

3.Loth: in a world of ran-dumb rolls, this man breaks the rules and tells the dice what he wants for his powers. The bread of a deathstar sandwich.

4.Imperial Knight: can handle anything on the ground, and that's where the objectives are.

5.Belakor: broken fmc rules, guaranteed non-ran-dumb powers, all on a daemon prince body.

6.Fate weaver: no, dice, I am the boss.

7.Riptide: range-table, weapon-powerful, durability-intense, point cost-nowhere near as high as it should be.

8.Draigo: another guaranteed power, (screw random powers!) plus a tanky EW statline for guarding and warping your important stuff. The lettuce/sauces of a deathstar sandwich.

9.Centurions: firepower ho! Low because they need an IC to bring them to broken status. The meat of a deathstar sandwich.

10. Harvest cron wraiths: fast, immortal, undercosted, and hit like assault cannons.

11. "honorable mention"- harvest spyder: unbelievable durability while being the supposed "weak point" of the harvest formation bonus, plus MC benefits, all while costing the same as a single tech marine.

I can't believe someone listed Gretchin as a good unit. They are pathetically bad except when used to unlock another CAD.

My list is based on what people call cheese at (no particular order):
Wave Serpent
Dreadknight
Thunder Wolf Cavalry
Necron Wraiths
Riptide
Wraithknight
Flying Tyrant
Helldrake
Imperial Knight
Drop Pods

These might not be the, "best" units per say, but people complain about them the most, and I think they are all near the top in terms of power level, especially compared to other options in their own codex. (I'm looking at you Helldrake and Dreadknight). Based on my experience playing some of these things, I find them to be very effective.

 Xenomancers wrote:

morgoth wrote:
I would add Tigurius.

The man is what Eldrad could have been if he had tried harder.

But Eldrad is just an Eldar, a race that tends to just plain suck at psychic powers... too bad Eldrad.

Eldrad is lvl 4 yo. Hes great. Hes for footdar though obviously and current meta doesn't like footdar even though footdar is pretty dang boss. Yeah Tiggy is a beast - no denying that. Maybe his reserve rerolls were a bit much considering he opens the book and picks what powers he wants.

I would definitely rather have an Elf Tigurius for 210 points than Eldrad.

Tigurius is just pure flying rodent gak crazy, the fact that he gets 3 rerollable psychic power rolls AND gets to reroll his psychic dice is just way off the charts.

In some ways, you could say that maybe two Farseers are as good, but they're not. They don't have his casting reliability, and they even cost more.

I would also totally appreciate if Eldrad's Tactical Genius at least matched that of Creed.


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Here's two more OP units:

Drop Pod - for 35 points those things are just the best 35 points in all of 40K.

Tyranid Spore Mines - for 15 points, you get a troop, ObSec, Deep Strike, Shrouded, and a free pass on your troop tax.

Guide, fortune, doom, mindwar, conceal/reveal, embolden/horrify, protect/jinx... yeh poor little eldar with their sucky powers!


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Also obsec means nothing if it goes boom when an opponent moves near it.

And the Mucolid is non-scoring anyway

 Xenomancers wrote:

Hes still automatic GOI and Sanct. 2+ invo eternal warrior. Essentially making whatever squad he joins near indestructible and omnipresent. In reality invis is not even required to run driago stars it just makes a near impossible squad to kill...impossible to kill - without assassin shenanigans.

Draigo doesn't have sanctuary.

 greyknight12 wrote:

 Xenomancers wrote:

Hes still automatic GOI and Sanct. 2+ invo eternal warrior. Essentially making whatever squad he joins near indestructible and omnipresent. In reality invis is not even required to run driago stars it just makes a near impossible squad to kill...impossible to kill - without assassin shenanigans.

Draigo doesn't have sanctuary.

nah he does.

 Xenomancers wrote:

 greyknight12 wrote:

 Xenomancers wrote:

Hes still automatic GOI and Sanct. 2+ invo eternal warrior. Essentially making whatever squad he joins near indestructible and omnipresent. In reality invis is not even required to run driago stars it just makes a near impossible squad to kill...impossible to kill - without assassin shenanigans.

Draigo doesn't have sanctuary.

nah he does.

Just checked the digital GK codex on my phone and Sanctuary isn't listed... I wish he did

My list, having not played the new necrons yet, in no specific order:
- Gravcents
- Wraightknights
- Dreadknights
- Riptides
- Flyrant
- Imperial Knight
- TWC
- Sicaran
- Wave Serpent
- Fateweaver

reenon wrote:

My list, having not played the new necrons yet, in no specific order:

Muahaha, you're in for a treat, bud.

 krodarklorr wrote:

reenon wrote:

My list, having not played the new necrons yet, in no specific order:

Muahaha, you're in for a treat, bud.

This feels extra ominous as it's your 1337th post, and you have a necron avatar.

reenon wrote:

 krodarklorr wrote:

reenon wrote:

My list, having not played the new necrons yet, in no specific order:

Muahaha, you're in for a treat, bud.

This feels extra ominous as it's your 1337th post, and you have a necron avatar.

Bro, that was awesome. I did not notice that. Rekt

 Xenomancers wrote:

 Big Blind Bill wrote:
Question: Why is draigo on so many people's lists?

Did he not get taken down a peg now that he is a LoW?

Hes still automatic GOI and Sanct. 2+ invo eternal warrior. Essentially making whatever squad he joins near indestructible and omnipresent. In reality invis is not even required to run driago stars it just makes a near impossible squad to kill...impossible to kill - without assassin shenanigans.

Draigo doesnt have Sanctuary baseline

He has Hammerhand, Gate, Banishment and Purge Soul

You might be thinking of Stern

 Frozocrone wrote:
And the Mucolid is non-scoring anyway

Interesting precision.

Still, 15 points for a troop tax is just the lowest ever.

 Xenomancers wrote:

 Big Blind Bill wrote:
Question: Why is draigo on so many people's lists?

Did he not get taken down a peg now that he is a LoW?

Hes still automatic GOI and Sanct. 2+ invo eternal warrior. Essentially making whatever squad he joins near indestructible and omnipresent. In reality invis is not even required to run driago stars it just makes a near impossible squad to kill...impossible to kill - without assassin shenanigans.

Draigo does not have sanctuary. Thanks for playing, though.

Talking about which units are spectacular on their own without needing support from other units:

Wraiths
Fateweaver
Flyrants
Wave Serpent
Windrider Jetbikes
Be'Lakor
An'ggrath the Unbound
Sicaran
Fire Raptor
Death Ray Pylon

Honorable mention goes to Eldrad. He's not good - he's just a whore. Can I say that on dakka? Sorry if not mods

Commissar- has saved my sorry behind too many times not to list
Company commander
Cadre fireblade
Stealth suits-perhaps on of the most underrated units in the game
veterans
leman russ squadron
I cant really say anything else

Black Templar Crusader Squad hopping out of their Land Raider!

Get some!

Ignoring crazy superheavies like titans, I would say the best units are able to handle a variety of situations on their own or buff armies to unfair levels.

Wave Serpent
Flying Hive Tyrant with Dual Devourers
Fateweaver
Wraithknight
Draigo
Adlance Imperial Knights
New Str.D Bloodthirster

 krodarklorr wrote:

 Xenomancers wrote:

I hate him too and I main greyknights! Hes so powerful that he shifts the meta! In reality he should be number 1 but he does require a lot of elements to become truely OP so I had to tone him down the list a little.

Yeah, all the other LOWs that Space Marines are okay, but Draigo.....why give him the only 3++ when he's also the only one that can get a +1 Invuln psychic power? 2++ should not exist in my opinion. However, as a Necron player, the fact of the matter is most of the time I can't get through his 2+ armor anyway, so I guess it makes little difference.

It actually takes a fair amount of work to get the 2++, and/or spending a lot of points to do it. Spending 400+ points to get a 2++ on one model that is only 4 wounds, 6" movement, and doesn't bring anything other than GoI and very good assault is far from impossible to deal with. In fact, I've yet to see a tournament list that placed well with Draigo in it that's actually been designed to actually use Sanctuary. The Seer Council/Screamerstar this is not. Of all the things you'll find top tournament players bitching about being broken, Draigo really isn't one of them, or at the least is not even close to the top of the list.

How does Eldrad compare favorably against Tiggy? Seriously, rerolling all failed Psykic manifestations is *stupid* good in 7th, even if he's only ML3.

 reenon wrote:

 Xenomancers wrote:

 greyknight12 wrote:

 Xenomancers wrote:

Hes still automatic GOI and Sanct. 2+ invo eternal warrior. Essentially making whatever squad he joins near indestructible and omnipresent. In reality invis is not even required to run driago stars it just makes a near impossible squad to kill...impossible to kill - without assassin shenanigans.

Draigo doesn't have sanctuary.

nah he does.

Just checked the digital GK codex on my phone and Sanctuary isn't listed... I wish he did

My list, having not played the new necrons yet, in no specific order:
- Gravcents
- Wraightknights
- Dreadknights
- Riptides
- Flyrant
- Imperial Knight
- TWC
- Sicaran
- Wave Serpent
- Fateweaver

You were correct - forgive me. Been playing that wrong - though I never cast it anyway if invis is up so I guess thats why it never came up lol.


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 DarkLink wrote:

 krodarklorr wrote:

 Xenomancers wrote:

I hate him too and I main greyknights! Hes so powerful that he shifts the meta! In reality he should be number 1 but he does require a lot of elements to become truely OP so I had to tone him down the list a little.

Yeah, all the other LOWs that Space Marines are okay, but Draigo.....why give him the only 3++ when he's also the only one that can get a +1 Invuln psychic power? 2++ should not exist in my opinion. However, as a Necron player, the fact of the matter is most of the time I can't get through his 2+ armor anyway, so I guess it makes little difference.

It actually takes a fair amount of work to get the 2++, and/or spending a lot of points to do it. Spending 400+ points to get a 2++ on one model that is only 4 wounds, 6" movement, and doesn't bring anything other than GoI and very good assault is far from impossible to deal with. In fact, I've yet to see a tournament list that placed well with Draigo in it that's actually been designed to actually use Sanctuary. The Seer Council/Screamerstar this is not. Of all the things you'll find top tournament players bitching about being broken, Draigo really isn't one of them, or at the least is not even close to the top of the list.

They will probably go off on invis and centurions before draigo. Draigo in reality is what makes the star broken - it's why they call it draigo star and not tigaris or loth star - Loth should be on my list too though. That was my mistake.

Im surprised Grotesques have not been listed on any of the list.

I thought they were a great unit by themselves.

DaKKaLAnce wrote:
Im surprised Grotesques have not been listed on any of the list.

I thought they were a great unit by themselves.

That's how I feel about Meltagun Dominions. They're insane, but they're not on anybodies' lists.

A lot of love/hate for Grav Centurions. While I agree they are a great unit, but without support from a psychic IC, I don't think they are top 10 great. Prohibitively expensive, slow, short ranged, no invulnerable save, and their firepower becomes useless against a small number of armies and builds (Daemons and Orks, and horde Nids).

I will add Failbaddon with a max bodyguard of the Bringers of Despair with all the bells and whistles. Expensive as real estate in the Eye of Terror but wrecks face all day and all night!

NoiseMarine with Tinnitus wrote:
I will add Failbaddon with a max bodyguard of the Bringers of Despair with all the bells and whistles. Expensive as real estate in the Eye of Terror but wrecks face all day and all night!

Unfortunately, that is a lot of points for a unit of mostly 1W models that die extremely easily for their cost.

Believe me, I have tried.

Chaos Terminators need more wounds and/or generally a more robust statline before they can be useful as a deathstar unit.

They also sorely lack mobility.

the unit I think work really well:
-Blacknight Bike
-Warbikers
-Dakkajet
-Crisis Suit
-Riptide
-Wraith Knight
-Imperial Knight
-Thunderwolf Cavalry
-Grey Hunters

Phantom titan
Revenant titan
Lynx
Wave Serpent
Imperial Knight
Grav Cents
TWC
Flyrant
Riptide
Chapter master smash

Yup, eldar really do have 4 of the top 10 models in the game. The best (worst?) part is, the rest of their codex (other than a couple units) aren't far behind those 4.

Does the Phantom Titan really belong on that list?

For 2500 points, you can field an entire *army*.

Have you ever used or faced one?