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 kronk wrote:

 the_Armyman wrote:

BTW, for those of you with HH armies: do you prefer upgrade kits like this? Seems like a ridiculously expensive way to to build an army. £61 for 10 men in Mark armor with heresy bolters plus £24 for the torsos. Yikes.

I prefer the chapter specific stuff, yes. Expensive? Yes. Worth it? To me, yes. I want my HH army to look sweet, so I spent the money to do it.

Rar!

Aye, agreed. The FW kits and upgrade sets really finish off the resin. Although I'm waiting for more Alpha Legion upgrades and, when they do come, White Scars, I will be getting some when they do arrive:

 zedmeister wrote:

 kronk wrote:

 the_Armyman wrote:

BTW, for those of you with HH armies: do you prefer upgrade kits like this? Seems like a ridiculously expensive way to to build an army. £61 for 10 men in Mark armor with heresy bolters plus £24 for the torsos. Yikes.

I prefer the chapter specific stuff, yes. Expensive? Yes. Worth it? To me, yes. I want my HH army to look sweet, so I spent the money to do it.

Rar!

Aye, agreed. The FW kits and upgrade sets really finish off the resin. Although I'm waiting for more Alpha Legion upgrades and, when they do come, White Scars, I will be getting some when they do arrive:

The difference that the FW chapter specific stuff makes, especially the shoulder pads, IMO, is HUGE. Its expensive, but when painted, it just makes each marine looks absolutely fantastic. It's extra special eye candy for everyone when they get put on the table top.

FW space marine bits and LR parts are IMO the most cost effective stuff you can get from them.

VERY nice looking Alpha Legion there Zed!

Agreed, while I've no plans to paint any AL, I'd still love the recipe for other stuff (would look awesome on an IK for instance)

HH Ultramarines are bad ass, i really liked how they are portrayed in the books, but eventually i wanted to start a World Eaters army.... but damn Ultramarines get looked after so well, the upgrade kits are amazing! Makes me want to start a HH Ultras army

Maybe I was misunderstood: why would you want an UPGRADE kit rather than just a SQUAD that already includes the upgrades. For example:

http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/The_Horus_Heresy/Legiones_Astartes/Emperors_Children/EMPERORS_CHILDREN_LEGION_PALATINE_BLADES_SQUAD.html

http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/The_Horus_Heresy/Legiones_Astartes/Salamanders/SALAMANDERS_LEGION_PYROCLASTS.html

http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/The_Horus_Heresy/Legiones_Astartes/Iron_Hands/IRON_HANDS_MEDUSAN_IMMORTALS.html

Do a lot of you have spare pre-heresy legs and arms just laying around? It just seemed a little "gougey" on FW's part. Unless the names"Invictarii" and "Praetorian" are just armor types and not special units?

 the_Armyman wrote:
Maybe I was misunderstood: why would you want an UPGRADE kit rather than just a SQUAD that already includes the upgrades. For example:

http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/The_Horus_Heresy/Legiones_Astartes/Emperors_Children/EMPERORS_CHILDREN_LEGION_PALATINE_BLADES_SQUAD.html

http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/The_Horus_Heresy/Legiones_Astartes/Salamanders/SALAMANDERS_LEGION_PYROCLASTS.html

http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/The_Horus_Heresy/Legiones_Astartes/Iron_Hands/IRON_HANDS_MEDUSAN_IMMORTALS.html

Do a lot of you have spare pre-heresy legs and arms just laying around? It just seemed a little "gougey" on FW's part. Unless the names"Invictarii" and "Praetorian" are just armor types and not special units?

This is my frustration; the Imperial Fists are the most egregious case; all you're lacking are the legs and one arm. Having to buy a whole other set of 30k marines is obscene for so few additional parts, and the fact they weren't sold as a whole kit is insulting.

Especially as recasters offer them as a complete unit with the missing legs and arm.

Also, the complete units looks nicer; consider the Iron Hands tacticals, the Palatine Blades and such? The cohesive aesthetic spreads across the model with their relevant wargear is so much more attractive. from a cost, look and ease standpoint.

 the_Armyman wrote:
Maybe I was misunderstood: why would you want an UPGRADE kit rather than just a SQUAD that already includes the upgrades.

Oh that's absolutely annoying. There is no reason the legs and arms shouldn't have been included in the Imperial Fists Templar Brethren squad. Very annoying. However, I had some tactical squad bits and Black Templar bits to finish them off.

I'm just waiting for the Wolves and 1Ksons. I guess I have time to save up plenty for them.......if other nice stuff didn't keep coming out in the meantime! The only FW stuff I own atm are 3x Sisters Exorcists (because I really didn't like the GW Organ on a Rhino! :( ) and an Avenger Strike Fighter......

 SargentWhiskey wrote:
HH Ultramarines are bad ass, i really liked how they are portrayed in the books, but eventually i wanted to start a World Eaters army.... but damn Ultramarines get looked after so well, the upgrade kits are amazing! Makes me want to start a HH Ultras army

I'm slowly assembling what I need for a WE army. But if I was going to collect a second 30K army, it'd probably be UM. They'd be an instant adversary for some Calth/Shadow Crusade gaming. But more importantly, I somehow grew to really like those blue bastiches after reading Know No Fear.

I find it strange that the invictarii are on the old marine bases and the praetorians are on the new 32mm bases. Probably shouldn't read too much into it, though.

 Bull0 wrote:
I find it strange that the invictarii are on the old marine bases and the praetorians are on the new 32mm bases. Probably shouldn't read too much into it, though.

That's because it's 30K and Girlieman hasn't codified what base to walk on yet

If they insist on selling torso upgrade kits it'd be nice if you could purchase sets of legs only. Wouldn't presume to ask for any new ones to be made, just cast up some extras of the existing ones and sell them in 5s or 10s.

Praetorian heads get a big tick and the torsos look decent enough.

 sockwithaticket wrote:
If they insist on selling torso upgrade kits it'd be nice if you could purchase sets of legs only. Wouldn't presume to ask for any new ones to be made, just cast up some extras of the existing ones and sell them in 5s or 10s.

Praetorian heads get a big tick and the torsos look decent enough.

Might not be to your taste, but I've seen Kromlech do some very nice iron armour-looking legs. You can get 6 pairs on ebay for about 7 quid.

 Bull0 wrote:

 sockwithaticket wrote:
If they insist on selling torso upgrade kits it'd be nice if you could purchase sets of legs only. Wouldn't presume to ask for any new ones to be made, just cast up some extras of the existing ones and sell them in 5s or 10s.

Praetorian heads get a big tick and the torsos look decent enough.

Might not be to your taste, but I've seen Kromlech do some very nice iron armour-looking legs. You can get 6 pairs on ebay for about 7 quid.

They are, in fact, to my taste; I have several of the sets! Love the bionic variants in particular. That said, it'd be nice if the 'official' patterns could be sold separately to compliment the various torso upgrades.

 sockwithaticket wrote:
They are, in fact, to my taste; I have several of the sets! Love the bionic variants in particular. That said, it'd be nice if the 'official' patterns could be sold separately to compliment the various torso upgrades.

Totally agree. Really, they should just do the torso upgrades as squad kits with the arms, legs, shoulders, etc. It seems designed to result in leftover torsos.

It would be really nice if the plastic kits rumors pans out as.then we'd have the best of both worlds.

Loving those heads on the Ultras! Especially the Praetorians.

They really nailed the Praetor pattern. I like that the chestplates aren't one solid piece (which seemed like it would make it hard to rotate at the waist or bend over, lol). This is one of the better kits they have done for the Legions.

The Invictiarii I could take or leave. The facehugger look straight on I am sure will be mitigated by paint. But still fairly "Meh".

 Agent_Tremolo wrote:
I had imagined Samus as something creepy, not beastly. I didn't even know he had been established as a daemon of Khorne, with all the emphasis on betrayal and paranoia it had back when the character first appeared on Horus Rising.

It's been a while since I read the book, but when he possessed Jubal to fight Loken didn't he take out an entire squad and almost beat Loken? Seems like a physical daemon.


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Zywus wrote:
What about those Eagles on some of the INVICTARII chests? Weren't those reserved for the emperor's children? They only have one head i guess, so it doesen't count as imperial Eagles perhaps ?

The Emperor's Children were the only legion that was permitted in its entirety to display the Aquila. It is possible that this honor was also granted to elite units in each legion

 Dreadclaw69 wrote:

 Agent_Tremolo wrote:
I had imagined Samus as something creepy, not beastly. I didn't even know he had been established as a daemon of Khorne, with all the emphasis on betrayal and paranoia it had back when the character first appeared on Horus Rising.

It's been a while since I read the book, but when he possessed Jubal to fight Loken didn't he take out an entire squad and almost beat Loken? Seems like a physical daemon.


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Zywus wrote:
What about those Eagles on some of the INVICTARII chests? Weren't those reserved for the emperor's children? They only have one head i guess, so it doesen't count as imperial Eagles perhaps ?

The Emperor's Children were the only legion that was permitted in its entirety to display the Aquila. It is possible that this honor was also granted to elite units in each legion

Basically eagle =/= aquila.

This is (I believe) the Paletine Aquila, which was the Emperors personal symbol and only worn by the EC. The normal Aquila was still used by everyone (just not as much as in 40k).

I can't wait to see what they do with the First Legion. They're gonna look sooo cool . Plus, they'll probably be getting Corswain, Luther and (I hope) Lord Cypher as well as the Lion himself

Whilst it is exicting to ponder the upcoming legions i cant wait to see custoads.

 Bull0 wrote:
I find it strange that the invictarii are on the old marine bases and the praetorians are on the new 32mm bases. Probably shouldn't read too much into it, though.

As has been mentioned multiple times, the reasons that GW/FW put forward are purely that it relates to how good the models look.

I don't care at all, but for the fans of the daemon in this thread, the Forge World product page calls him "A Daemon Prince of the Ruinstorm". Is he supposed to be a Daemon Prince? I don't know anything about the character, but judging by what people have said, he's just a daemon.

Big 'ead

And the rest can be read here as well.. http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/News/FORGE_WORLD_BULLETIN_59.html

 Wilson wrote:
Big 'ead

I really wish they hadn't put so much moulded on detail.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Bull0 wrote:
I find it strange that the invictarii are on the old marine bases and the praetorians are on the new 32mm bases. Probably shouldn't read too much into it, though.

As has been mentioned multiple times, the reasons that GW/FW put forward are purely that it relates to how good the models look.

Oh well I guess in that case I don't find it strange after all and I... should... read too much into it?

I'm confused, what exactly was your point