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 Ashiraya wrote:
I am pretty sure that only DKoK grenadiers (and stormtroopers/scions, obviously) actually get AP3 guns. Normal IG grenadiers get standard lasguns. So the lack of hotshots is a not a surprise.

Nope. IG stormtroopers get AP 3 lasguns, MT get AP 3 lasguns, and all FW variant stormtroopers get AP 3 lasguns. In fact, IIRC the 5th edition IG codex was the first book to change stormtrooper guns from the old STR 3 AP 5 to AP 3.

Ashiraya is likely referring to the "Grenadiers" doctrine/trait for Veteran Squads.

That whole awkward transition from the 3.5E to the 5E "Grenadiers" thing has been weird for a while...

 Kanluwen wrote:
Ashiraya is likely referring to the "Grenadiers" doctrine/trait for Veteran Squads.

Oh. Yeah, I misread that completely and I'd forgotten that the carapace armor upgrade for veterans was called "grenadiers". Which is really weird because the "grenadiers" doctrine in the codex before 5th edition was about taking stormtrooper squads as troops.

any idea on when the Warlord will be available for purchase for those of us not attending Forgeworld day... ballpark or anything would be nice!

Maybe it'll go up for sale today.

I hope so.. any reason you are guessing that or you just playing with my balls? I'm ok with it.. just want to know

There will be a wait to get one. They had a large back log of orders from Saturday. Not sure how much this was added to from Sunday but it clearly takes them quite a while to cast them as they had 11 for sale over the weekend and had at least 3 weeks to cast that many. I was told they cast as many as they could for the event and on Saturday thru had at least 15 orders.
I'm not saying it will be over a month wait to get one if they go up today just giving anecdotal information that seems to imply it could be that long.


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New products go up on a Friday. If it was going up for sale asap it would be friday. Given my previous post Im not sure of it will be this friday or not.

I noticed just now that the Dracosan and all deals containing one are listed as out of stock.

 fiorehellheart wrote:
I thought people might be interested in the scale diagram I did, based on the measurements by 'looky likey'. 23 to the top, 20 to carapace, 17 wide and deep.

The image of the warlord is from http://battlebunnies.blogspot.co.uk/2015/05/warlord-titan-poster.html corrected for skewness. If anybody has a higher resolution version of that image, perhaps it's also in th

That makes it look much bigger compared to the Reaver than it did on the day, I'm now more tempted than I was by it. I think though I shall remain strong and wait for the Chaos version as hopefully more weapon options should be out then as I don't like the guns it has at present.

One thing that I'm not sure has come across with the Imperial/Chaos Militia list is that it seems to be geared up to allow you to make pretty much any type of guard army with your own models other than a true elite list packing tons of AP3 and special weapons. It reminds me more of the older IG codexes that had to use a huge number of bodies or tanks to overwhelm Marines rather than relying on a handful of elite units that can go toe to toe with a Marine in a gun fight.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

Oh, and an alternate, Warhammer World only, Warlord head.

*sigh*

So for those of us who want a retro head not only would we have to pay more and end up with two heads, we can only get it from one store in the world.

Why does GW hate money?

If it makes you feel any better. The warlord head is sold separately to the body so you don't need to have paid for 2 heads. You would still need to travel to nottingham to get the head you wanted though.

Still don't know that it's worth two grand.

I don't really see the point, either. I know people will buy them, though, but it just seems like a colossal waste.

I mean yeah, it's big and cool and everyone values things differently, but when you think of all the other stuff you could get for $2000...I mean even from GW, you could probably buy two very playable armies for 40k with that money, or one really big one. I'd rather have $2000 worth of Orks than a single warlord, that would be far more impressive on the table when all laid out...if it even fits.

 BrookM wrote:
Maybe it'll go up for sale today.

Nah. Friday at the earliest. Friday's are when FW put their new stuff up. I hope Tempest goes up this Friday, need that book asap.

Book V up for pre order:
http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/New_Stuff/THE_HORUS_HERESY_BOOK_FIVE_TEMPEST.html

 Sidstyler wrote:
I don't really see the point, either. I know people will buy them, though, but it just seems like a colossal waste.

I mean yeah, it's big and cool and everyone values things differently, but when you think of all the other stuff you could get for $2000...I mean even from GW, you could probably buy two very playable armies for 40k with that money, or one really big one. I'd rather have $2000 worth of Orks than a single warlord, that would be far more impressive on the table when all laid out...if it even fits.

That implies that somebody buying this doesn't already own $2000 of Orks or can't afford $2000 of orks on top of the Warlord. Its not always fair but there are always people with considerably more disposable funds, I'd like to be able to race Ferraris every weekend but I didn't work hard enough at school.

Oh okay, excuse me then. Was completely wrong...

Gaaaaaah, so tempted to get it now!

I am! Thought I was gonna have to wait til Friday at the earliest.

vegeta365 wrote:
... The warlord head is sold separately to the body...

Why?????

That doesn't make any sense!!!

As yet unreleased Corvus assault head......of course?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

vegeta365 wrote:
... The warlord head is sold separately to the body...

Why?????

That doesn't make any sense!!!

Because there are two head designs and you pick one?

 Ratius wrote:

Also some significant changes for Titans
All patterns:
- never blocked in assault
- immune to haywire, dangerous terrain, psychic attacks other than whichfire
Reaver and Warlord:
- can only be hit on 6 during assault by infantry and monstrous creatures and 5-6 by sup-heavy walkers
Warlord only:
- stomp attack with 5'' blast

Only hit on a 6 by MCs? Sure some MCs are a bit "weedy" (since there is such a wide range of them) but are they seriously thinking a Tryannofex, Swarmlord or DK cant scratch a Reaver? Hmmm, dont agree with that at all.
Immune to haywire completely? At least make it a 6 to glance.
And never blocked should only be VS X or less models. Full Greentide cant lock down a Reaver? Warlord maybe but.....

Pass that salt shaker lads.

I like all those a lot - and I know our resident Titan player will be ecstatic

All seems pretty fluffy to me - the larger Titans tended to have problems when Infantry get inside the hull more than with those outside and there is an awful lot of haywire around now.........

Looking forward to seeing more of the Ordinatus - THAT bit at the end of Helsreach is pretty awesome

Anyone heard anything about a special edition of Tempest?
I don't want to pull the trigger on the book then find out there is an SE in the pipeline.

 marv335 wrote:
Anyone heard anything about a special edition of Tempest?
I don't want to pull the trigger on the book then find out there is an SE in the pipeline.

There won't be now. The SE one of conquest came out before the standard one. Also, if there was a SE it would've been on sale for people at WMW this weekend but it wasn't.

You can always give FW a ring or drop them an email and ask them, just to be sure.

Obligatory "I've got my pre-order in and am excited" post here Particularly intrigued to see these militia/cult army lists, could help me to achieve more of an epic feel in my HH games without permanently destroying my finances if I can convert a load of plastic IG to use.

Darn, I was hoping for a titan poster

I just need to decide what resin to buy alongside mine!

 fiorehellheart wrote:
I thought people might be interested in the scale diagram I did, based on the measurements by 'looky likey'. 23 to the top, 20 to carapace, 17 wide and deep.

The image of the warlord is from http://battlebunnies.blogspot.co.uk/2015/05/warlord-titan-poster.html corrected for skewness. If anybody has a higher resolution version of that image, perhaps it's also in th

Congradulations sir. You have completely changed my opinion on the Warlord. It looks a lot smaller because the guys are included in the height, but at least its to-scale with the Reaver. And putting it beside the Mars Warhound and Reaver makes it look infinitely less "Knight" and more Mars-pattern.

Just waiting now for the Lucius Pattern blocky model and I'll put some kidneys and liver sections on ebay. They may or may not be mine.

The elder phantom slots neatly in there as well - 17" to the head, 22.5" to the wing tips measuring mine. Essentially the Warlord and phantom SHOULD be eye to eye with the wings on the phantom brushing the height of the carapace weapons.

This is almost spot on from the days of Epic! Well done FW!