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Guilliman's legs look oddly short.

Even though some people say size isn't everything... I am really annoyed by his sword... It is probably quite a realistic length, but within 40k, it's so dinky and boring. I'd expect it to be a bit more greatswordy. I understand RG is your 'basic' primarch anyway, so wouldn't be overly flash, but still, it's just tiny.

It is a Gladius though, they were quite short.

Yeah, I can understand that, and he does look quite authentically roman, just still... It's not very bombastic 40k? It probably wouldn't be anywhere near as bad if the sheath wasn't being held by his power fist, marking how small it is in comparison to other 40k swords.

The classic ultramarine captain use to annoy me for having such a small sword also, that was nearly a dagger!

 Ashiraya wrote:
Guilliman's legs look oddly short.

Could be the pic/angle/etc.?

This pic makes them look OK:

Like I said earlier, Guilliman comes across to me like the old minis that were cast in one piece, and while overall he's pretty good, each part of him marks him as something wrong.

His legs for example, are nice, but short and blocky compared to the likes of Lorgar or Angron, who have very sleek, formfitting, medieval armour style legs. That said, they aren't bulky in the way Manus or Vulkan are, or Horus with his TDA. He looks much more Space Marine than primarch.
His wierd belt thing. Calgar has that too and they always look horrendous IMO. It fits but looks horrid.
The chest looks like a conversion from the BA SG, but worse because its flat and too cluttered, plus the abs and pecs are missized. It's supposed to be a Roman-esque Legion but the Romans didn't use the nippleplate, it was inefficient Greek design. The Romans used more effective layered bands of metal layered into a shirt.
The sword, looks short, and grasping the hilt in his Powerfist makes him look oddly disproportioned like the old models.
His pose is also lackluster. Compared to the dynamic Angron, Fulgrim, Manus, Kurze and Vulkan, he is a generic type guy. Even Lorgar has better, because although Lorgar is more static, the brooding, sullen face sells his malevolence. RG has a face you could find in a bits box.
His base is amazing but the fluff-enthusiast in me would have liked to see Ultràmar flag, with Macragge and the other 3 capital planets mentioned on it, and more written on the base other than the ones we already know (from either BL or the Codex's modern Ultramar).

 tyrannosaurus wrote:
Anyone else now wishing they would build an Emperor Titan?

An emperor titan would be about the size of a grown human in 28mm scale wouldn't it? They could make a Emperor Titan costume and it can double as model and masquerade/cosplay gear.

Zywus wrote:

 tyrannosaurus wrote:
Anyone else now wishing they would build an Emperor Titan?

An emperor titan would be about the size of a grown human in 28mm scale wouldn't it? They could make a Emperor Titan costume and it can double as model and masquerade/cosplay gear.

IIRC, I think it should be about 36" based on the old scale comparisons, but based off the current Warlord, anywhere upwards of 30" seems like a good size.

Deadshot wrote:His legs for example, are nice, but short and blocky compared to the likes of Lorgar or Angron, who have very sleek, formfitting, medieval armour style legs. That said, they aren't bulky in the way Manus or Vulkan are, or Horus with his TDA. He looks much more Space Marine than primarch.

The answer should be obvious: he's not a huge beast, but nor is he lithe and slim. They look about the same as Kurze's, i.e. about average.

His wierd belt thing. Calgar has that too and they always look horrendous IMO. It fits but looks horrid.

Personal taste, I guess. As you say, the design fits.

The chest looks like a conversion from the BA SG, but worse because its flat and too cluttered, plus the abs and pecs are missized. It's supposed to be a Roman-esque Legion but the Romans didn't use the nippleplate, it was inefficient Greek design. The Romans used more effective layered bands of metal layered into a shirt.

I know what you mean about the style of armour, but I'll disagree with the rest. The abs and pecs look in proportion to me, and I hardly think one eagle makes it too cluttered.

The sword, looks short, and grasping the hilt in his Powerfist makes him look oddly disproportioned like the old models.

The sword is meant to be short; it's a gladius.

His pose is also lackluster. Compared to the dynamic Angron, Fulgrim, Manus, Kurze and Vulkan, he is a generic type guy.

He's the primarch of the Ultramarines, what did you expect?

Even Lorgar has better, because although Lorgar is more static, the brooding, sullen face sells his malevolence. RG has a face you could find in a bits box.

To me, he looks like one of the Roman Emperors, which is probably what they were aiming for.

His base is amazing but the fluff-enthusiast in me would have liked to see Ultràmar flag, with Macragge and the other 3 capital planets mentioned on it, and more written on the base other than the ones we already know (from either BL or the Codex's modern Ultramar).

Can't disagree with that.

You're correct, Alpharius. The angle did make his legs look oddly short.

While I like the overall look of the model and disagree with most of the points, I do agree that his legs look a bit short.

The overall 'blandness' of the model is very typical of the fluff of RG, and how you would expect him to be, good at everything, excels in nothing combat wise. And taking his logistic approach, he would look quite clean as you wouldn't expect him to lead from the front or get involved in the nitty gritty so much.

But having said all of that, I just can't shake it being an opportunity missed, the above is what everyone would expect of RG, they could have gone a different route... Maybe in the midst of battle, with chipped and damaged armour, maybe not marines he's personally played around him with his sword, but that his honour guard are currently fighting.

He's a primarch - he definitely 'leads from the front'!

I still think he's a good representation of who he is supposed to be.

I think we need some scale shots next to the other primarchs as well as next to 'normal' marines.

endlesswaltz123 wrote:
The overall 'blandness' of the model is very typical of the fluff of RG, and how you would expect him to be, good at everything, excels in nothing combat wise. And taking his logistic approach, he would look quite clean as you wouldn't expect him to lead from the front or get involved in the nitty gritty so much.

But having said all of that, I just can't shake it being an opportunity missed, the above is what everyone would expect of RG, they could have gone a different route... Maybe in the midst of battle, with chipped and damaged armour, maybe not marines he's personally played around him with his sword, but that his honour guard are currently fighting.

I think this is spot on. The stoic leader captured perfectly.

Ornate, but not overdone. Imposing, but not grandiose. I think it fits everything I have read about him thus far.

Every inch the Romanesque patrician, exactly as he should be IMHO.

Now when can I actually buy him?!

Just saw hus rules leaked on Twitter, and they are pretty impressive actually!

 Alpharius wrote:

 Ashiraya wrote:
Guilliman's legs look oddly short.

Could be the pic/angle/etc.?

This pic makes them look OK:

Yep, I think it'll look just fine in person. This one is growing on me more all the time. It's one of my faves of the series.

Guilliman will be the first Primarch model I buy. I like him a lot.

I think he looks great.

I still wish they gave them a helmeted option though.

 Medium of Death wrote:
I think he looks great.

I still wish they gave them a helmeted option though.

Me too. I'd love to see the Khan with his lion mask helmet he wears in Scars.

The nipple plate was actually used by Romans- though not for front line troops as it restricts movement a bit too much. Very much ceremonial stuff. But since it's power armour in this instance I doubt it'll cause too much bother.

Roboute Guilliman was every bit the patrician (albeit not particularly well liked by some of his fellow Primarchs) like someone's already said here.

Oh and um- his Weapon Skill increases in close combat lol

I'd be interested in the math hammer for him against Horus as Horus normally beats the other Primarch through his reducing their ws

My first Primarch will still be Curze or Lorgar (Probably the latter), but Guilliman is certainly great.

Also, they represented his tactical mastery by handing out USRs like candy! Someone hand me the phone, because I caaaaaaalleeed iiiit!

Can someone post a link to the primarch abilities?

 warboss wrote:
Can someone post a link to the primarch abilities?

http://1d4chan.org/wiki/Roboute_Guilliman#Gameplay

Thanks (both ITT and via PM) for the info. I think the rules do a good job of portraying the RG (because I don't want to butcher the name) from the fluff. With a powersword and powerfist and a 40mm base, you could also feasibly use him as a Antiochus Calgar stand-in.

Do the Ultramarines also get their very own Rite of War?

I emailed fw about when they will sell warlord titans.. hope for an answer soon. Thanks to those of you helping me ball park a date though.. pretty damn excited

They are airbrush paints. They are the colours that were being used at the heresy weekender, they are very expensive (about £3.50 per pot) say airbrush paints on them, the guys in the store called them airbrush paints, and to top it off, Phil who is the main person behind working on the colours, asking for changes/amends etc I am quite close with and told me and lots of other people that they are airbrush paints.

Airbrush paints can be used with a brush though.

I bought a few to try as like I say they are very expensive and i am a big Vallejo fan which do a huge selection of airbrush paints. I bought the 3 gold colours to try on the Warlords edging so will update whenever I get round to using them.

No more to be said on that point really, other tha this isn't the full range. They have a lot more to come out and the book will be available for the FW open day earl July. It will go through how they use the paints etc.

In terms of Titans. I am certain they will work the alternate types of warlord next (after warlord weapons). So there will clearly be a chaos version but I mean the other named warlord variants from the book. I'm not sure if they would ever go bigger as the warlords price point is bad enough, though with 11 sold and 35 pre orders taken over the weekend that's encouraging for them. £57k on one model in a weekend will be a record I'm sure. You have to sell a butt load of smaller models to see that kind of return. Factor in all the people that couldn't attend this event due to numbers or where they live and clearly there will be loads more orders as soon as this goes up for sae. I expect it has outsold the Reaver and Warhound for initia release sales.

vegeta365 wrote:
In terms of Titans. I am certain they will work the alternate types of warlord next (after warlord weapons). So there will clearly be a chaos version but I mean the other named warlord variants from the book. I'm not sure if they would ever go bigger as the warlords price point is bad enough, though with 11 sold and 35 pre orders taken over the weekend that's encouraging for them. £57k on one model in a weekend will be a record I'm sure. You have to sell a butt load of smaller models to see that kind of return. Factor in all the people that couldn't attend this event due to numbers or where they live and clearly there will be loads more orders as soon as this goes up for sae. I expect it has outsold the Reaver and Warhound for initia release sales.

Good grief. That's a ridiculous amount already, and they've only been sold at a single geographical location for two days. At this rate, they might make more money than the Reaver Titan has over it's lifetime on the day that it goes up for general sale.

Now if they would only release the last Primach from Book 3. Maybe is so stealthy everybody missed him.