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BrookM wrote:
 Enigwolf wrote:
BrookM wrote:Aye, they are Ardex-Defensor pattern mauler bolt cannons along with Ardex-Defensor twin-linked lascannons covering the back, NOT twin-linked stubbers like pointlessly speculated above.


What exactly does Ardex-Defensor give the weapons, compared to normal?
They are point-defence weapons that may always overwatch at BS 2, not that there's a lot that can hurt a Warlord in assaults.


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The Warlord has the following arm options:
Belicosa pattern volcano cannons (standard issue)
Sunfury plasma annihilator
Mori quake cannon
Saturnyne lascutter
Arioch titan power claw
Macro-gatling blaster

And the following carapace options:
Two Apocalypse missile launchers (standard issue)
Two double-barrelled turbo laser destructors
Two twin-linked vulcan mega-bolters
Two titan plasma blastguns
Two Reaver laser blasters
Two Reaver melta cannons
Two Reaver gatling blasters
Two vortex missile banks
Two incinerator missile banks

"Standard issue" being what the model starts out with in the army list entry.


Are you sure its Plasma Annihilator and not Destroyer? IIRC, Titan Plasma Weapons went up from Blastguns (Warhound arms, Battle Titan carapace) with Rg 96 Str 8 AP2 2 shot/Rg 120 Str 10 AP 2 1 shot. Then you had Destroyer which were Warlord arms and Emperor carapace which had 4/2 shots in its modes, then Annhilator with 6/3 shots respectively. If the Annihilator is moved to Warlord arm, is the Destroyer gone?


Enigwolf wrote:
BrookM wrote:Aye, they are Ardex-Defensor pattern mauler bolt cannons along with Ardex-Defensor twin-linked lascannons covering the back, NOT twin-linked stubbers like pointlessly speculated above.


What exactly does Ardex-Defensor give the weapons, compared to normal?

Deadshot wrote:I would love to see that on the tabletop but the fluffnut in me would be screaming inside. Imperial Titans are prohibited from operating in units of more than a single Titan (or a pair for the Warhounds) due to the atrocities of squad-size Warhound packs and Reaver packs during the Heresy). Seeing a Warlord flanked by a Reaver pair and a pack of Warhounds in Imperial colours would simulataneously have me saying "awesome" and "fuuuuuuu."


Didn't that only apply to Warhounds? Reavers still operate in maniples when supporting Warlords and Imperators.


i think it applies to all Titans. I mean, the rule is in place because rogue Titans were wiping out whole districts and being in such large groups were too difficult to destroy. Should a 10 strong group turn rogue the Imperial forces couldn't fight back, but with 1 or 2 they could at least have a go with Lascannons. Warhounds are pretty fragile but Reavers and Warlords are going to be too tough for anything except D weapons to crack, at least in fluff.
That said, I think it only applies to general deployments. Full Titan on Titan warfare l, you don't really have a choice except to deploy your Legio en masse.

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That pic is droolworthy. Not just a titan, not just titans, but a fully-painted lineup of resin beauties. I'll probably never own anything bigger than a knight, but they're so damned cool to look at and imagine stomping across the battlefield God Machines of Mankind indeed!


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$2,000 single model.

I have no idea who can actually justify buying this.

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 Harriticus wrote:
$2,000 single model.

I have no idea who can actually justify buying this.


Rich people.

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 Deadshot wrote:
Enigwolf wrote:
Deadshot wrote:I would love to see that on the tabletop but the fluffnut in me would be screaming inside. Imperial Titans are prohibited from operating in units of more than a single Titan (or a pair for the Warhounds) due to the atrocities of squad-size Warhound packs and Reaver packs during the Heresy). Seeing a Warlord flanked by a Reaver pair and a pack of Warhounds in Imperial colours would simulataneously have me saying "awesome" and "fuuuuuuu."


Didn't that only apply to Warhounds? Reavers still operate in maniples when supporting Warlords and Imperators.


i think it applies to all Titans. I mean, the rule is in place because rogue Titans were wiping out whole districts and being in such large groups were too difficult to destroy. Should a 10 strong group turn rogue the Imperial forces couldn't fight back, but with 1 or 2 they could at least have a go with Lascannons. Warhounds are pretty fragile but Reavers and Warlords are going to be too tough for anything except D weapons to crack, at least in fluff.
That said, I think it only applies to general deployments. Full Titan on Titan warfare l, you don't really have a choice except to deploy your Legio en masse.

Where is this fluff from? Just literature I have read involving Titans often has more than 2 fighting together. Not necessarily right next to each other, as the nature of their long range firepower and size makes their 'squad' tactics happen on a much larger scale, but examples such as the Battle of Helsreach and the Priests/Lords/Gods of Mars trilogy has larger groups of Titans deployed as one force. I thought the whole purpose of Warhounds was to support their larger brethren, hence them being referred to as 'scout' titans rather than 'battle' titans. FW also has (post HH) rules for deploying Reaver maniples, with 2 Reavers supported by 3 Warhounds for example.

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 Harriticus wrote:
$2,000 single model.

I have no idea who can actually justify buying this.

People with plenty of disposable income, or those who saved specifically for it.

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 Deadshot wrote:
 Harriticus wrote:
$2,000 single model.

I have no idea who can actually justify buying this.


Rich people.


"Rich" is a relative and loaded term. Most people have credit card debt well in excess of $2000, and I would imagine quite a few of those people actually have little to show for that debt. As cool as the Warlord is, there are so many other things that I want and would get much more mileage out of for the money spent.

   
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 Deadshot wrote:
Are you sure its Plasma Annihilator and not Destroyer? IIRC, Titan Plasma Weapons went up from Blastguns (Warhound arms, Battle Titan carapace) with Rg 96 Str 8 AP2 2 shot/Rg 120 Str 10 AP 2 1 shot. Then you had Destroyer which were Warlord arms and Emperor carapace which had 4/2 shots in its modes, then Annhilator with 6/3 shots respectively. If the Annihilator is moved to Warlord arm, is the Destroyer gone?
That's what it says in the book.

The Sunfury plasma annihilator is 72" S9 AP2 Primary Weapon 4, Apocalyptic Barrage, Plasma Wave (successful cover saves must be re-rolled)

The plasma blastguns (with the variable settings) can be mounted on the carapace.



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 the_Armyman wrote:


"Rich" is a relative and loaded term. Most people have credit card debt well in excess of $2000, and I would imagine quite a few of those people actually have little to show for that debt. As cool as the Warlord is, there are so many other things that I want and would get much more mileage out of for the money spent.


They do?! I mean I knew I didn't really live in the real world but I don't and never have. I mean sure I have the usual student debt and a mortgage if you include that but my current (and usual) CC debt is 0.00

I can see why people would want this but it is rather expensive for a single "model", albeit a centre piece one of a kind.

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It's an amazing model but will mostly be reserved for collection purposes, or possibly a "everything against the Warlord" match on the rare occasion. Moving this model seems to be on the side of fairly dangerous- I'm guessing it gets its own seatbelt on the way to the store!
   
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 Accolade wrote:
It's an amazing model but will mostly be reserved for collection purposes, or possibly a "everything against the Warlord" match on the rare occasion. Moving this model seems to be on the side of fairly dangerous- I'm guessing it gets its own seatbelt on the way to the store!


Exalted as now I'm imagining people watching some poor neckbeard trying to manuever this thing into a baby seat then driving off with "Warlord Titan on Board" in his back window.

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 Pete Melvin wrote:
They do?! I mean I knew I didn't really live in the real world but I don't and never have. I mean sure I have the usual student debt and a mortgage if you include that but my current (and usual) CC debt is 0.00

I can see why people would want this but it is rather expensive for a single "model", albeit a centre piece one of a kind.


I'm one of the people who basically took out a loan to get this thing. I know it might see the table once a year at most, but for me, this thing will provide months of hobby time building it and coming up with fluff and likely years fully painting the thing.
   
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I suspect there are a fair few buyers with 'decent' levels of income who have most of what they want/need

and will pick up something like a warlord (or a new racing bike, or Canoe, or fishing rod etc) if they get extra spending money from a bonus or the first few months of a raise

 
   
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 MajorWesJanson wrote:
 Pete Melvin wrote:
They do?! I mean I knew I didn't really live in the real world but I don't and never have. I mean sure I have the usual student debt and a mortgage if you include that but my current (and usual) CC debt is 0.00

I can see why people would want this but it is rather expensive for a single "model", albeit a centre piece one of a kind.


I'm one of the people who basically took out a loan to get this thing. I know it might see the table once a year at most, but for me, this thing will provide months of hobby time building it and coming up with fluff and likely years fully painting the thing.


Well, I hope you've bought a baby seat for your car

I won't judge, its your money, spend it how you want. I just bought a £400 watch, a £10 one from down the market does the job just as well, no way I can cast stones.

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I have spoken to a couple of people that will be buying one and I already know a chap that has one on order, its like the perfect centerpiece to a 30k collection, hell even your entire collection.

Its a little too much for me and I would not touch credit ever, but I understand why people that have that sort of disposable income would be all over it.
It would also take a hell of a lot of time to assemble and paint it and thats a lot of enjoyment in it if you like that sort of thing too.
   
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Haighus wrote:
 Deadshot wrote:
Enigwolf wrote:
Deadshot wrote:I would love to see that on the tabletop but the fluffnut in me would be screaming inside. Imperial Titans are prohibited from operating in units of more than a single Titan (or a pair for the Warhounds) due to the atrocities of squad-size Warhound packs and Reaver packs during the Heresy). Seeing a Warlord flanked by a Reaver pair and a pack of Warhounds in Imperial colours would simulataneously have me saying "awesome" and "fuuuuuuu."


Didn't that only apply to Warhounds? Reavers still operate in maniples when supporting Warlords and Imperators.


i think it applies to all Titans. I mean, the rule is in place because rogue Titans were wiping out whole districts and being in such large groups were too difficult to destroy. Should a 10 strong group turn rogue the Imperial forces couldn't fight back, but with 1 or 2 they could at least have a go with Lascannons. Warhounds are pretty fragile but Reavers and Warlords are going to be too tough for anything except D weapons to crack, at least in fluff.
That said, I think it only applies to general deployments. Full Titan on Titan warfare l, you don't really have a choice except to deploy your Legio en masse.

Where is this fluff from? Just literature I have read involving Titans often has more than 2 fighting together. Not necessarily right next to each other, as the nature of their long range firepower and size makes their 'squad' tactics happen on a much larger scale, but examples such as the Battle of Helsreach and the Priests/Lords/Gods of Mars trilogy has larger groups of Titans deployed as one force. I thought the whole purpose of Warhounds was to support their larger brethren, hence them being referred to as 'scout' titans rather than 'battle' titans. FW also has (post HH) rules for deploying Reaver maniples, with 2 Reavers supported by 3 Warhounds for example.


http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Warhound-class_Titan

Here is where I first read it and seen it mentioned other times by other people before. It makes sense as well. I mean, if a unit of 10 Titans went rogue on mission, you'd be hard pressed to keep them down. Whereas 2 Warhounds could be feasibly toppled by a tank or Basilisk regiment or a few Devastator Squads. The 6th Ed rulebook (big version) has a story at the back end where one of Ultramarine's Dev Squads systematically ravaged a whole Legion coming through a choke point, evem landing a Reaver kill.
I could be fooling myself but I just take it that unless the need was that great, general deployment of Titans would not have 6 or 7 Reavers or Warlords operating as a squad. If they were regularly a single unit then the chances of them cahooting into mutiny is higher, whereas of its a single Princeps or pair of Warhounds it'd be easier to deal with.
I do understand what you are saying. Titanicus remains one of my favourite 40k and sci fi novels. But I could argue that its artistic license and the idea of authors having to stick to a single Titan would make it boring. Novels like that require a full legion of towering war engines. Plus, those novels are very much Apocalypse level, all put warfare, no time for semantics scenarios.
Anyway, maybe we should open a background thread rather than detract from this? Its just my own personal fluffnut based on that page, so its not exactly important.

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the_Armyman wrote:
 Deadshot wrote:
 Harriticus wrote:
$2,000 single model.

I have no idea who can actually justify buying this.


Rich people.


"Rich" is a relative and loaded term. Most people have credit card debt well in excess of $2000, and I would imagine quite a few of those people actually have little to show for that debt. As cool as the Warlord is, there are so many other things that I want and would get much more mileage out of for the money spent.


To me, rich implies a comma in the back account. I've personally never had more than £450 after Xmas amd birthday, but then again I'm 18 and earn around 160 a month at most. But if I had, say 3000, I'd still not consider myself rich enough. I try to never drop more than 1/8 of my monthly earnings on any one thing (meaning if I wanted something for £50, I'd wait 5 months). So at say 1300 for the model, and extra weapons should I choose, I'd say having at least £11k in the bank DISPOSABLE would be enough. Be that over a year or over a month, but having 11k disposable at Christmas or something to spend on yourself or as a gift, I'd say you're pretty well off.

BrookM wrote:
 Deadshot wrote:
Are you sure its Plasma Annihilator and not Destroyer? IIRC, Titan Plasma Weapons went up from Blastguns (Warhound arms, Battle Titan carapace) with Rg 96 Str 8 AP2 2 shot/Rg 120 Str 10 AP 2 1 shot. Then you had Destroyer which were Warlord arms and Emperor carapace which had 4/2 shots in its modes, then Annhilator with 6/3 shots respectively. If the Annihilator is moved to Warlord arm, is the Destroyer gone?
That's what it says in the book.

The Sunfury plasma annihilator is 72" S9 AP2 Primary Weapon 4, Apocalyptic Barrage, Plasma Wave (successful cover saves must be re-rolled)

The plasma blastguns (with the variable settings) can be mounted on the carapace.



Hmmm. Maybe they are rejigging the titan scaling up system then.

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 Haighus wrote:
 Deadshot wrote:
Enigwolf wrote:
Deadshot wrote:I would love to see that on the tabletop but the fluffnut in me would be screaming inside. Imperial Titans are prohibited from operating in units of more than a single Titan (or a pair for the Warhounds) due to the atrocities of squad-size Warhound packs and Reaver packs during the Heresy). Seeing a Warlord flanked by a Reaver pair and a pack of Warhounds in Imperial colours would simulataneously have me saying "awesome" and "fuuuuuuu."


Didn't that only apply to Warhounds? Reavers still operate in maniples when supporting Warlords and Imperators.


i think it applies to all Titans. I mean, the rule is in place because rogue Titans were wiping out whole districts and being in such large groups were too difficult to destroy. Should a 10 strong group turn rogue the Imperial forces couldn't fight back, but with 1 or 2 they could at least have a go with Lascannons. Warhounds are pretty fragile but Reavers and Warlords are going to be too tough for anything except D weapons to crack, at least in fluff.
That said, I think it only applies to general deployments. Full Titan on Titan warfare l, you don't really have a choice except to deploy your Legio en masse.

Where is this fluff from? Just literature I have read involving Titans often has more than 2 fighting together. Not necessarily right next to each other, as the nature of their long range firepower and size makes their 'squad' tactics happen on a much larger scale, but examples such as the Battle of Helsreach and the Priests/Lords/Gods of Mars trilogy has larger groups of Titans deployed as one force. I thought the whole purpose of Warhounds was to support their larger brethren, hence them being referred to as 'scout' titans rather than 'battle' titans. FW also has (post HH) rules for deploying Reaver maniples, with 2 Reavers supported by 3 Warhounds for example.


I've read this a couple of times on more than one occasion. I believe that this applies only to (but it's not explicitly stated) "conventional-scale" warfare, where they're the only Titan-sized warmachine operating in the theater. I'm of the impression that when you're looking at larger-scale engine engagements (Chaos in Titanicus, Gargants in Armageddon, moar Chaos in Cadia or Hydra Cordatus/Storm of Iron, defending against 'nids attacking a Forge World) then you're going to see demi-legions deployed in strength together, as someone else had mentioned before. Just my two cents and speculation, however.

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Considering Titan Legions travel together rather than in units of one or two Titans, that rule makes absolutely zero sense.

When Legio turn traitor or get corrupted by Chaos it's usually across the entire unit, with internal schisms a brief Titan on Titan battle occurs with the survivors getting to keep the Legio name and colours.

Don't worry, you're young and while two thousand pounds may seem like a lot of money, in the grand scheme of things it isn't much. I know people who've spent more on a dinner.

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Hmm, yeah, and in the case of an enemy that didn't require the combined might of the Legion, spreading the Titans out to bolster the battle line would make more sense anyway. With how connected Titans are to each other through the noosphere, I can't see it making much difference if they are within 100m of each other or on different continents, would have to be on a different planet to have an appreciable difference.


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Don't worry, you're young and while two thousand pounds may seem like a lot of money, in the grand scheme of things it isn't much. I know people who've spent more on a dinner.

It will be about a 20th of my future yearly salary (yay for vocational courses), so it is still a scary price, but I suspect what you say is true for the future, at least assuming I pass every stage of exams. Will have £36,000 of debt to pay off though, plus maintenance...

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 Asmodai Asmodean wrote:

When Legio turn traitor or get corrupted by Chaos it's usually across the entire unit...


I think there is a huge possibility that just like with Traitor Legions, there were Loyal elements within Legios who were "purged" by the Legios when they turned Traitor. Remember, we didn't know anything about Loyalist elements from the Traitor Legions until Black Library started writing its HH books.

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Asmodai Asmodean wrote:Considering Titan Legions travel together rather than in units of one or two Titans, that rule makes absolutely zero sense.

When Legio turn traitor or get corrupted by Chaos it's usually across the entire unit, with internal schisms a brief Titan on Titan battle occurs with the survivors getting to keep the Legio name and colours.

Don't worry, you're young and while two thousand pounds may seem like a lot of money, in the grand scheme of things it isn't much. I know people who've spent more on a dinner.



Well like I said earlier, let's open up a fluff thread but here's my last post about it on this thread.
Just because they travel together doesn't mean they deploy together. A space marine battle company might all travel together but end up deployed to different continents. The rule would be in place to stop a group of say 3 Warlords being isolated from the rest of the Legio and planning a coup. 3 Warlords suddenly turning on you would be devastating. Its the same as the Chapters division. Its much easier to turn a small group, but the effects are much lesser. 1 squad loyal to their sergeant would be easy for a sergeant to turn, but ultimately inconsequential. If one Princeps took his Warhound and crew for a joyride, easy to stop. If a whole company or chapter went rogue, a lot more difficult. 6 or more Titans and you havd serious problems. But a company has 1 captain, 9 sergeants, 99 Marines, Librarians, veterans and command staff for the sergeant to convince, many of whom don't feel personal loyalty to him, same as with the various other Princeps and Moderati of other Titans. Simple divide and conquer as a precaution.


Also, I talked to my friends earlier after reading this post. I asked that if I ever spend 2 grand on a meal, just to put me out of my misery because I've gone too far to be helped. I mean, there's only so much KFC you can eat, and I can cook a perfect fillet steak at home for £7:50 so yeah, 2 grand is a lot no matter what you have. For reference, I'm going to expecting a maximum account balance of 2 grand after a 1500 loan comes in to last me 4 months of university.

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 Deadshot wrote:
Asmodai Asmodean wrote:

Don't worry, you're young and while two thousand pounds may seem like a lot of money, in the grand scheme of things it isn't much. I know people who've spent more on a dinner.


Also, I talked to my friends earlier after reading this post. I asked that if I ever spend 2 grand on a meal, just to put me out of my misery because I've gone too far to be helped. I mean, there's only so much KFC you can eat, and I can cook a perfect fillet steak at home for £7:50 so yeah, 2 grand is a lot no matter what you have. For reference, I'm going to expecting a maximum account balance of 2 grand after a 1500 loan comes in to last me 4 months of university.


I've spent $6,275 on a work dinner. What really made the meal expensive was the alcohol. We bought 3 bottles of wine that cost nearly $900 a piece which was just about half the bill. There were 13 people and we finished a project way ahead of schedule and the Company was able to bill our work out at about $800,000. We all got a nice bonus on top of the meal. I think partner's exact words were, "Work hard, play harder". My team was working 7 days per week for almost 4 months and I was the project lead. We were working some 80+ hour weeks at times. Since we had to travel across the country for the job as well, it made it even more difficult and the Company rented several apartments for the team next door to each other. We had a men's apartment and women's apartment. I think several of the team members are married as a result of the project (possibly some divorced now as well ). Oh the jobs you take right out of college before you know what you're really worth

Sorry that I went off topic...

I agree that was the reason the legions were broken up - they were harder to corrupt and even the god like primarchs were not above being corrupted and turning on their father, the Emperor. Its why the Imperial Navy is separate from the Space Marines - because no individual should hold that much power again. Also, its well known that the majority of the leadership in the Space Marine chapters distrust both the Ecclesiarchy and the High Lords of Terra. They don't revere the Emperor as a god (exception would be the Templars). They don't like the High Lords because their decisions many times put them at odds with what they were created to do. Space Marines are conquerors for mankind - they are not nation builders (exception would be the Ultramarines and their empire of 500+ worlds). Even in the 41st millennia, that's what they continue to do and what is expected of them. They are blunt instruments that are used to take something from their enemy. The Astra Millitarum is used to hold worlds and prevent the enemy from taking it back. The Space Marines are there to assist if the threat is great enough (Armageddon, Badab, etc.) The same would go for the Titan Legions as well. Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely.


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"Rich" is a relative and loaded term. Most people have credit card debt well in excess of $2000, and I would imagine quite a few of those people actually have little to show for that debt. As cool as the Warlord is, there are so many other things that I want and would get much more mileage out of for the money spent.


They do?! I mean I knew I didn't really live in the real world but I don't and never have. I mean sure I have the usual student debt and a mortgage if you include that but my current (and usual) CC debt is 0.00

I can see why people would want this but it is rather expensive for a single "model", albeit a centre piece one of a kind.


My guess is that the comment is more in reference to Americans. We are not the most financially competent group of people. We spend now and save later. Look at what America is now - we want "free" healthcare, "free" college, "free" everything. Nobody wants to pay for it through taxes - they want to push it up and have someone else pay for it. Without going into a diatribe about the US tax system and perceived inequalities in the tax code, I'm going to leave it as if we the people want it, we should ALL pay for it.

I'm the same way - I have no credit card debt. I have a mortgage and no student loans (paying those off was a great feeling)

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I'm in the same boat, no debt besides my regular bills, and no credit cards. With a single income, when I adhere to my budget *it's rather loose, hobby costs factored in as well* I stash about 1.5k a month. Its not much but it gets me a the missus by.

She said that she "saw that gleam in my eye" when I showed her to warlord and gave me a the greenlight to indulge, but even then I'll still wait a year or two I need to "finish" my IG and AM first. With that being said, I don't think it would ever see a table unless someone requested it. I'm more interested in just building, painting, and then displaying like the glorious hunk of resin it is heh.

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Deadshot wrote:I would love to see that on the tabletop but the fluffnut in me would be screaming inside. Imperial Titans are prohibited from operating in units of more than a single Titan (or a pair for the Warhounds) due to the atrocities of squad-size Warhound packs and Reaver packs during the Heresy). Seeing a Warlord flanked by a Reaver pair and a pack of Warhounds in Imperial colours would simulataneously have me saying "awesome" and "fuuuuuuu."


I dont think this is true, Titans are deployed singly due to rarity and combat losses. the numbers of Titans available to the Imperium was much less than in thr past. Take the concept of the Warhound, they were supposed to be deployed in pairs, though you could always take them singly it wasn't usual. More to the point they are scout Titans intended to act as recon for a battlegroup of larger Titans. By 40k the Warhounds role had changed from scout to ambush predator, as even a Warhound became increasingly precious for its firepower and void shields, and would change role from the 'lighter' armed unit to a rare heavy armed unit as the Imperium relied more and more on mundane weaponry.
During the Horus Heresy the Warlord was the most common titan, ten millenium later the Reaver is the most common, probably due to heavier losses of the Warlord which was a heavy assault Titan, wheras the Reaver normally had a stand off role. Both types formed into Battlegroups of up to three, this organisation is evident even in the more recent publications which included them. Only Emperor class titans were ever deployed as single units, and even they were sometimes deployed with multiple units together.

IIRC the restrictions on the Adeptus Titanicus prevent deployment in larger than maniple strength, and that is to avoid catastrophic loss. Largest campaign organisation is a demi-Legio (half thee titans of a Titan legion) and a quarter-Legio is more common. This however might be also due to the need for a garrison or general reserve force at the forgeworld.



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The Warlord has the following arm options:
Belicosa pattern volcano cannons (standard issue)
Sunfury plasma annihilator
Mori quake cannon
Saturnyne lascutter
Arioch titan power claw
Macro-gatling blaster

And the following carapace options:
Two Apocalypse missile launchers (standard issue)
Two double-barrelled turbo laser destructors
Two twin-linked vulcan mega-bolters
Two titan plasma blastguns
Two Reaver laser blasters
Two Reaver melta cannons
Two Reaver gatling blasters
Two vortex missile banks
Two incinerator missile banks

"Standard issue" being what the model starts out with in the army list entry.


That is change from before.
Carapce weapons need not be paired in the past.
The arm weaponry is the same as before excepting a wider array of close combat weaponry, including the wrecker ball, which only Warlord titan could mount.
Nice to see they get the upgraded gatling blaster.

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Doom of mymeara had 4 reavers and war hounds deployed at the same time, 2 war hounds each then a single reaver in one group, 3 in the other.

   
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The only real change in organization of Titans due to the heresy was in Warhounds- They used to be deployed in wolfpacks that could take on even an Emperor in some cases, but after the terror of wolfpacks rampaging on Terra, they now are generally only deployed as singles or pairs. Battle Titans are still generally organized in groups of 1-3 battle titans making up a battlegroup. Emperors were more common (and now appear to include the Nemesis, an upgunned Warlord chassis) during the Heresy, and used to kill smaller titans and larger cities, but now are much rarer, making them generally relegated to the command and control role
   
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Well, the rules state that you can use it in your regular games of 40k.

Plus there is a 30k force org chart that allows you to take 1-3 lords of war as your primary detachment. So you could legally field the Warlord and nothing else, call it a day.



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I find it interesting that there is no free experimental rules PDF for using the Warlord in 40k yet- the email about Titans I just got from FW today links to book 5 for rules, so at the moment they are expecting house-ruling essentially for 40k. It will probably be in the next Imperial Armour.

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