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Yes! Bloodletters got good!

 Azreal13 wrote:
Yes! Bloodletters got good!

Eh?

We're looking at units to hurl forward and get massacred right?

Bloodletters are your, er, daemon!


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You needed to put a whole lot of effort into anything other than that happening before, now they're useful doing what they're naturally good at!

Ahh, gotcha.

Thank you for the leaks. Any mention of the superheavy Lord of Skulls in WD?

I wonder if we see the now obligatory FA Rhino. Daemons in boxes for the win!!!

Are these bloodthirsters available as hqs for codex daemons or just the new codex?

 akwing00 wrote:
Are these bloodthirsters available as hqs for codex daemons or just the new codex?

They'll probably be available for both

 Lord Yayula wrote:

 akwing00 wrote:
Are these bloodthirsters available as hqs for codex daemons or just the new codex?

They'll probably be available for both

Actually, I doubt that.

They specifically altered the rules for the new Harlequin options to exclude the Codex: Eldar versions.

Those are some beefy bloodthirsters

The WD rules are explicitly for C:CD, so unless anyone is suggesting they won't include their shiny new Greater Daemon of Khorne kit in their shiny new Khorne Codex, it'll be in both.

 Azreal13 wrote:
The WD rules are explicitly for C:CD, so unless anyone is suggesting they won't include their shiny new Greater Daemon of Khorne kit in their shiny new Khorne Codex, it'll be in both.

I must have missed it but has this been confirmed? Having these bloodthirster variants in a codex: daemons army would be pretty sweet

That 8 Attack on the charge ST D weapon is pure awesomeness, finally the Blood Thirster is worth taking.

 luke1705 wrote:

 Azreal13 wrote:
The WD rules are explicitly for C:CD, so unless anyone is suggesting they won't include their shiny new Greater Daemon of Khorne kit in their shiny new Khorne Codex, it'll be in both.

I must have missed it but has this been confirmed? Having these bloodthirster variants in a codex: daemons army would be pretty sweet

I read it somewhere, can't remember exactly where, but it was a pretty definite statement.

Either way, I'd not even considered the possibility it wouldn't be the case until someone else brought it up.

Let's do this quick and painless

In Warhammer 40k you build an army using unit datasheets. Like the ones in a Codex. Or White Dwarf. There is a symbol in the center at the top of each datasheet showing the faction it belongs to. The leaked images a few pages earlier in this thread, have these. All three Bloodthirsters belong to the Chaos Daemon faction.

That's it

7th edition made this important and helpful change to the former design, all new books and supplements have the unit datasheets with these faction symbols

Warhams-77 wrote:
Let's do this quick and painless

In Warhammer 40k you build an army using unit datasheets. Like the ones in a Codex. Or White Dwarf. There is a symbol in the center at the top of each datasheet showing the faction it belongs to. The leaked images a few pages earlier in this thread, have these. All three Bloodthirsters belong to the Chaos Daemon faction.

That's it

7th edition made this important and helpful change to the former design, all new books and supplements have the unit datasheets with these faction symbols

And according to Warboss85 the new supplement/codex includes all the daemons of khorne meaning it will probably include these 3 as they would help increase the sells of each other. Also I think this would be the first supplement to combine units from 2 different armies CSM/CD, which if at all follows the structure of the End Times book for WHFB will include a page with a listing of which units you can take from both books, alongside some special new rules, relics, warlord traits and maybe a few special characters.

Oh, and the juicy formations which is where probably this one will shine if it gets bonuses to make bloodletters and zerks viable as an assault unit

Even at Ini 1, the Blood thirster with the D axe should win as the knight will have 3 attacks (4 on the charge) hitting on 5s, not the best odds whereass the bloodthirster hits on 3s with 6 attacks (7 on the charge)

The bloodthirster will never make it into combat against the Knight because it's going to get ripped to pieces by grav-guns due to the idiotic "can't assault the turn you glide" rules.

Does Blood for the Blood God work with Siege of Vraks Unending Host?

 BlaxicanX wrote:
The bloodthirster will never make it into combat against the Knight because it's going to get ripped to pieces by grav-guns due to the idiotic "can't assault the turn you glide" rules.

Because every army that runs knights also runs grav? I didnt even mention anything regarding grav, nor was there any assumption grav would be present or even relevant to the statement I posted.

Yes itll get shot at, it has 3+ armor 5++ and a 4+ jink, it has options

Or does the grav boogeyman lurk around every corner in every army?

 BlaxicanX wrote:
The bloodthirster will never make it into combat against the Knight because it's going to get ripped to pieces by grav-guns due to the idiotic "can't assault the turn you glide" rules.

Hoping at least one formation changes that and maybe boosts Khornate units with run+charge or deep strike+charge or assault upgrades to rhinos.

 BlaxicanX wrote:
The bloodthirster will never make it into combat against the Knight because it's going to get ripped to pieces by grav-guns due to the idiotic "can't assault the turn you glide" rules.

Then gliding isn't the answer.

It's another codex with more possibilities and puts the rules for the new Bloodthirster model in a hardcover book that isn't tied to some campaign. It also gives those mono-Khorne players a way to summon Daemons without resorting to taking those pesky unfluffy psykers.

As long as they are not making 7th edition versions of Hardcover 6th edition codexes, I'm on board with any new codex they want to make.

 Kosake wrote:

So yeah. For me, Slaanesh is essentially the God of Boobies and GW will have a hard time to change that.

They could make Slaanesh the coolest dwarf ever.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 BlaxicanX wrote:
The bloodthirster will never make it into combat against the Knight because it's going to get ripped to pieces by grav-guns due to the idiotic "can't assault the turn you glide" rules.

Then gliding isn't the answer.

Technically only gliding is the answer, since you still get the 4+ junk just for being a FMC. You'd be hamstringing your BT if you Swoop it

Well I don't expect it to go away because the Chaos Daemon codex rule for it doesn't allow it which is unfortunate.

We'll see what happens when it drops. I've no doubt some tourney-head will find a way to abuse those Str D melee hits by pairing him up with Bel'Lakor and using lots of Invis shenanigans to make sure the Bloodthirster survives into combat, and then wrecks whatever it hits. Thundercav, Centuristar, other Knights... they'll have a hard time dealing with this thing, and if it's accompanied by some Hounds, it's just going to be a bad day for the opposing team.

But, that's not a list I would ever want to build, or ever really be too motivated to play against, so I'll leave that to the cheeseballers and tourney-heads.

Don't need Be'Lakor. Just need shrouding or invis, both of which Fateweaver can potentially provide. Can also use grim/cursed earth or you might get a decent greater reward (re-roll invulns, for example). Whatever daemon Prince you want can also relatively reliably get telepathy, and for a ML3 Nurgle Prince it's only 275 points. Flying buff monster who gets 3 rolls on telepathy.

Bloodthirster probably isn't reliable enough to use in a tournament setting, but I will certainly be trying to find out a way to make it work

 WrentheFaceless wrote:
Because every army that runs knights also runs grav?

Grav is one example I chose out of the things a competitive army will use to casually wipe its ass with a T6 3+ MC. Pick one.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 BlaxicanX wrote:
The bloodthirster will never make it into combat against the Knight because it's going to get ripped to pieces by grav-guns due to the idiotic "can't assault the turn you glide" rules.

Then gliding isn't the answer.

You can't assault when swooping, so have fun letting your 400 point investment fly uselessly around the map. This issue (useless when not assaulting, and can only assault when gliding) is why the Bloodthirster has more or less been considered the least competitive Greater Daemon.

I'm looking forward to getting a couple Slaanesh heralds and slapping invisibility on it though. Grimoire also works, though less reliably.

 luke1705 wrote:
Don't need Be'Lakor. Just need shrouding or invis, both of which Fateweaver can potentially provide. Can also use grim/cursed earth or you might get a decent greater reward (re-roll invulns, for example). Whatever daemon Prince you want can also relatively reliably get telepathy, and for a ML3 Nurgle Prince it's only 275 points. Flying buff monster who gets 3 rolls on telepathy.

Bloodthirster probably isn't reliable enough to use in a tournament setting, but I will certainly be trying to find out a way to make it work

Belakor give guaranteed Invisibility and Shrouding though, not just a roll on the table.

All ways up, I've lost Thirsters to all sorts of random stuff, and giving one an I1 D Weapon won't make them broken.

Invisibility doesn't really count, as adding it to anything decent makes it borderline broken and it should never have made it into print.

...Yeah, an Invisible Ragethirster is pretty much going to clean house.

Though once again, this is an example of Invisibility being staggeringly broken rather than the things it breaks being a problem in the first place.

Still though, unless a Knight rolls two sixes in a row, that's a dead Knight.