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 H.B.M.C. wrote:

Chad Warden wrote:
Why Eldar revamped so quick? It cant be because they are overpowered, GW has let worse things go on for years.

Maybe because they aren't streamlined enough for 7th. Lots and lots of rules many of which are unnecessary.

It's probably because their model range is ancient and has more FineCost than any other. They'd want to consolidate/make dual kits and remove as much FineCost as possible (or all FineCost).

If I was a betting man, I'd bet on this. IIRC, ALL the aspect warriors are FineCrap and considering FC is now "dead", sounds like an important army to revamp ASAP.

I hope they adjust all the contradicting rules in the Codex and the stuff that simply has no business on certain units.

Maugan Ra has Relentless but his weapon is Assault and Relentless does not spread to the squad. His cost should be brought down a couple of points.

Fire Dragons can have Crushing Blow...Really? A +1S to melee attack on a ranged unit with no CCW. NOBODY in their right mind would spend points on a +1S for a unit you hope never sees Assault.

Battle Focus on jetbikes? Come on.

Serpent shield can get nerfed or removed I do not care.

Would love to see Banshees being made useful again and possibly a rule or exarch power that would allow them to assault when they disembark.

Falcon being available as a dedicated transport.

Make Rangers worth taking.

Make the Avatar a LoW and actually scary. When half the Phoenix lords are scarier than the Living Incarnation of the God of War something is not right.

Were the Eldar Jetbikes metal or finecast? I thought they were Plastic, why are they getting a new box?

Chad Warden wrote:
Why Eldar revamped so quick? It cant be because they are overpowered, GW has let worse things go on for years.

Maybe because they aren't streamlined enough for 7th. Lots and lots of rules many of which are unnecessary.

GW seem to be working towards two goals right now:

1) Eliminate outdated sculpts from the range, specifically multi-model Finecast sets and old single-purpose plastic sculpts. These are being replaced with kits that can be built with multiple options, reducing space needed for inventory.

2) Break up the product range into smaller chunks that are easier to keep updated with smaller releases. This makes it easier for people to overlap armies and lowering the

The likely end result of this is that instead of Eldar and Dark Eldar books that are updated every ~5 years we instead have:
Eldar > Craftworlds
Eldar > Dark Eldar
Eldar > Harlequins
Eldar > Exodites
Eldar > Biel-Tan (aspect warriors)
Eldar > Iyanden (wraith stuff)
etc...
and every year we can see at least some kind of Eldar release, keeping people interested.

By replacing the current Eldar codex they can remove the last Harlequin rules outside that book, push a couple of new kits (like Jetbikes) and generally begin to streamline an army that has decades of content to keep updated.

not gonna lie, Eldar was crazy OP for some units. I run 5 waveserpent with guardian/dire, wraithknight, and a lynx when I can. People always wanted ot play against it cuz they want to experience the ridculousness. I wonder what the new codex bring to exploit lol.

Requizen wrote:
Were the Eldar Jetbikes metal or finecast? I thought they were Plastic, why are they getting a new box?

They're one of the oldest models in the GW range.
The aspects got updates for Finecast, but the plastic Eldar are ancient.

The plastic Jetbikes will replace two Finecast kits: Jetbike with Shuriken Cannon and Shining Spears. Maybe even the Autarch on Jetbike, if we're lucky.

Really hoping for a jetbike/shining spear combo kit. Always wanted to use spears just I hate the old style jetbikes.

So, what do you think the odds are of BattleFocus getting nerfed or removed? I'd put it at 25%, but you never know.

Bharring wrote:
So, what do you think the odds are of BattleFocus getting nerfed or removed? I'd put it at 25%, but you never know.

Could be a paid upgrade. I wouldn't mind paying it but not for all unit across the whole army.


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Mr.Church13 wrote:
Really hoping for a jetbike/shining spear combo kit. Always wanted to use spears just I hate the old style jetbikes.

QFT, that is really the only thing I want model wise... and the option to play with falcons without feeling like I am gimping myself volontarily by not takine a WS.

 Erik_Morkai wrote:
I hope they adjust all the contradicting rules in the Codex and the stuff that simply has no business on certain units.

Maugan Ra has Relentless but his weapon is Assault and Relentless does not spread to the squad. His cost should be brought down a couple of points.

Fire Dragons can have Crushing Blow...Really? A +1S to melee attack on a ranged unit with no CCW. NOBODY in their right mind would spend points on a +1S for a unit you hope never sees Assault.

Battle Focus on jetbikes? Come on.

Serpent shield can get nerfed or removed I do not care.

Would love to see Banshees being made useful again and possibly a rule or exarch power that would allow them to assault when they disembark.

Falcon being available as a dedicated transport.

Make Rangers worth taking.

Make the Avatar a LoW and actually scary. When half the Phoenix lords are scarier than the Living Incarnation of the God of War something is not right.

Just a note, Jetbikes don't have battle focus, the guardian riders do... The Jetbikes can't use it because they can't run.

Mymearan wrote:

 Erik_Morkai wrote:
I hope they adjust all the contradicting rules in the Codex and the stuff that simply has no business on certain units.

Maugan Ra has Relentless but his weapon is Assault and Relentless does not spread to the squad. His cost should be brought down a couple of points.

Fire Dragons can have Crushing Blow...Really? A +1S to melee attack on a ranged unit with no CCW. NOBODY in their right mind would spend points on a +1S for a unit you hope never sees Assault.

Battle Focus on jetbikes? Come on.

Serpent shield can get nerfed or removed I do not care.

Would love to see Banshees being made useful again and possibly a rule or exarch power that would allow them to assault when they disembark.

Falcon being available as a dedicated transport.

Make Rangers worth taking.

Make the Avatar a LoW and actually scary. When half the Phoenix lords are scarier than the Living Incarnation of the God of War something is not right.

Just a note, Jetbikes don't have battle focus, the guardian riders do... The Jetbikes can't use it because they can't run.

Even though, eldar jet bikes are already ULTRA mobile, if they wanted to reflect the battle focus on the bikes, they could add something like they added to the Skitari for the +3 movement just for the bikes.

 paqman wrote:

Mymearan wrote:

 Erik_Morkai wrote:
I hope they adjust all the contradicting rules in the Codex and the stuff that simply has no business on certain units.

Maugan Ra has Relentless but his weapon is Assault and Relentless does not spread to the squad. His cost should be brought down a couple of points.

Fire Dragons can have Crushing Blow...Really? A +1S to melee attack on a ranged unit with no CCW. NOBODY in their right mind would spend points on a +1S for a unit you hope never sees Assault.

Battle Focus on jetbikes? Come on.

Serpent shield can get nerfed or removed I do not care.

Would love to see Banshees being made useful again and possibly a rule or exarch power that would allow them to assault when they disembark.

Falcon being available as a dedicated transport.

Make Rangers worth taking.

Make the Avatar a LoW and actually scary. When half the Phoenix lords are scarier than the Living Incarnation of the God of War something is not right.

Just a note, Jetbikes don't have battle focus, the guardian riders do... The Jetbikes can't use it because they can't run.

Even though, eldar jet bikes are already ULTRA mobile, if they wanted to reflect the battle focus on the bikes, they could add something like they added to the Skitari for the +3 movement just for the bikes.

That's the thing, Jetbikes can't battle focus. They literally cannot use that rule. It's their for completeness, since all guardians have it.

IMO Dark Reapers should have it, but don't. They couldn't use it either.

Wouldn't mind if it was Aspect-only in the new Dex, but I doubt it.

 Erik_Morkai wrote:


Make the Avatar a LoW and actually scary. When half the Phoenix lords are scarier than the Living Incarnation of the God of War something is not right.

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To be fair the Phoenix Lords are literally one of a kind, they are kind of like the Primarchs of the Aspects, whereas each craftworld has an Avatar. It's kind of like comparing Abaddon to a Blood Thirster. The Avatar does need a buff though.

Bharring wrote:
So, what do you think the odds are of BattleFocus getting nerfed or removed? I'd put it at 25%, but you never know.

I agree it's not likely. That was one of the cooler and thematic additions with the last codex. I hope it stays. It made guardians so much more viable (along with their considerable stat buffs of course ).

Bladestorm is here to stay as it is mentioned as such under the harlequin weapons

Serpent shield needs to go or change range or come with more of a downside or something. Somebody mentioned strike down or similar which I think would be cool. The str is too high and the laser lock benefit just make it silly. I feel guilty bringing more than one in a friendly list.

It will be interesting to see what the next few weeks brings us.

Isn't the shield a defensive weapon to ensure that the passagers can disembark safely? Would be cool if it was, say, a Nova power that caused Pinning or something.

kaldanesh wrote:

Bharring wrote:
So, what do you think the odds are of BattleFocus getting nerfed or removed? I'd put it at 25%, but you never know.

Bladestorm is here to stay as it is mentioned as such under the harlequin weapons

Dang, I was really hoping Bladestorm could get scaled back to AP3, but if if the rules are in the Harlequin book, no chance of that happening.

I'm still not really convinced that we are getting a new Codex: Eldar. Maybe some new models, and some new dataslates to go with them, but not a codex rewrite.

whoever cited the "404 errors" as evidence clearly has no idea about internet ... where do you get this garbage from?

ConanMan wrote:
whoever cited the "404 errors" as evidence clearly has no idea about internet ... where do you get this garbage from?

It's the 301 responses that are newsworthy.

axisofentropy wrote:

ConanMan wrote:
whoever cited the "404 errors" as evidence clearly has no idea about internet ... where do you get this garbage from?

It's the 301 responses that are newsworthy.

the response header is a 301? it is showing 404 to me

ConanMan wrote:

axisofentropy wrote:

ConanMan wrote:
whoever cited the "404 errors" as evidence clearly has no idea about internet ... where do you get this garbage from?

It's the 301 responses that are newsworthy.

the response header is a 301? it is showing 404 to me

Note the change from lowercase to uppercase:
$ curl --head http://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/codex-craftworlds-eng HTTP/1.1 301 Moved Permanently Location: http://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Codex-Craftworlds-ENG

axisofentropy wrote:

ConanMan wrote:

axisofentropy wrote:

ConanMan wrote:
whoever cited the "404 errors" as evidence clearly has no idea about internet ... where do you get this garbage from?

It's the 301 responses that are newsworthy.

the response header is a 301? it is showing 404 to me

Note the change from lowercase to uppercase:
$ curl --head http://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/codex-craftworlds-eng HTTP/1.1 301 Moved Permanently Location: http://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Codex-Craftworlds-ENG

so why didn't they say that then :-/

ConanMan wrote:

so why didn't they say that then :-/

they probably thought you knew how to internet. this has been discussed in many recent threads and blogs.

axisofentropy wrote:

ConanMan wrote:

so why didn't they say that then :-/

they probably thought you knew how to internet. this has been discussed in many recent threads and blogs.

Indeed. Faeit even posted an 'everything you need to know about redirects' post to try to silence people that rush to conclusions and call everyone else idiots just because they don't understand something.

axisofentropy wrote:

ConanMan wrote:

so why didn't they say that then :-/

they probably thought you knew how to internet. this has been discussed in many recent threads and blogs.

nope. the citation was incorrect, and completley lacking in the right information, what should have been said is the lowercase version is simply 301 redirecting to a case sensitive version, and since no-one could plausibly be trawling for these links anyway they have to have come from inside GW themselves. i.e. their web team, which is a point no-one seems to have been making, and is actually much more important.. it is an internal leak

ConanMan wrote:

axisofentropy wrote:

ConanMan wrote:

so why didn't they say that then :-/

they probably thought you knew how to internet. this has been discussed in many recent threads and blogs.

nope. the citation was incorrect, and completley lacking in the right information, what should have been said is the lowercase version is simply 301 redirecting to a case sensitive version, and since no-one could plausibly be trawling for these links anyway they have to have come from inside GW themselves. i.e. their web team, which is a point no-one seems to have been making, and is actually much more important.. it is an internal leak

I think it's entirely plausible that Atia on Bolter and Chainsword is trolling for these. I've considered rigging up a crawler with a dictionary to do the same automated, but that's effort. It's also possibly a leak from web developers within GW or within their e-commerce contractor or within Oracle.

 Erik_Morkai wrote:
I hope they adjust all the contradicting rules in the Codex and the stuff that simply has no business on certain units.

Maugan Ra has Relentless but his weapon is Assault and Relentless does not spread to the squad. His cost should be brought down a couple of points.

Fire Dragons can have Crushing Blow...Really? A +1S to melee attack on a ranged unit with no CCW. NOBODY in their right mind would spend points on a +1S for a unit you hope never sees Assault.

Battle Focus on jetbikes? Come on.

Serpent shield can get nerfed or removed I do not care.

Would love to see Banshees being made useful again and possibly a rule or exarch power that would allow them to assault when they disembark.

Falcon being available as a dedicated transport.

Make Rangers worth taking.

Make the Avatar a LoW and actually scary. When half the Phoenix lords are scarier than the Living Incarnation of the God of War something is not right.

All of this.. yes!

 Redemption wrote:

Bharring wrote:
So, "Faster Than The Eye Can See" means jetbikes most likely.

What does the dying line mean? I didn't think any Wraith constructs were rumored for release. Perhaps they are showcasing Iyanden in the issue? After all, almost everything Eldar since the codex last dropped has been Iyanden.

I'd rather hear from/see other craftworlds myself, but perhaps they are going to feature one per WD this week and next?

Wraiths are technically already dead, aren't they? The dying bit probably refers to the fact that the Eldar are considered a dying race.

Well, they WERE a dying race until Matt Ward got his filthy hands on the iyanden book. Suddenly even the smallest craftworld had billions and iyanden are the only craftworld that know how to make a craftworld. Smh

 Erik_Morkai wrote:
Maugan Ra has Relentless but his weapon is Assault and Relentless does not spread to the squad. His cost should be brought down a couple of points.

Nonsense! He has Relentless because it's fluffy and it helps you Forge a Narrative.