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**Mulletdude**

Talys wrote:
Mulletdude wrote:
Talys wrote:

By the way: Necron were nerfed all to hell right?

Necrons were in fact, buffed. One completely broken thing was changed (MSS) and everything got better.

That was dripping with sarcasm, bud in reference to eldar surely being nerfed to hell.

Ah. I see that now. Sarcasm doesn't travel well on the internets =\

**ORicK**

I am hoping for a fun jetbike list.

I collected Eldar, Dark Eldar and Harlequin jetbikes from all of GW history up to the recent new Harlequin jetbikes.
And i just wanted to start this project as these "new Eldar Codex" rumours showed up. So i put in on hold again.

Anyway, i look forward to the codex.
Allthough i will probably not spent money on it, but i will spent money on any new good Eldar models.

**alleus**

On the topic of the actual release though, if there is different rules for different Craftworlds, I'm hoping for a Jetbike focused one. Would be really fun fielding a battle-forged jetbike-only army.
If any Craftworld would get a focus on jetbikes, it'd be Saim-Hann. And you can already field a legal battleforged jetbike-only army with the current codex, of course.

Oh. there is? I don't play Eldar so I don't really know what the different units are in the FOC. I would assume that Jetbikes are fast attack though, but something makes them troops maybe? Anyway, would be fun especially with the new models coming out. I hope they are similar to that prototype we saw a while ago, that was a really nice model :-)

**Redemption**

Windrider Jetbike Squads are currently Troops. Shining Spears and Vypers are Fast Attack.

**Capamaru**

Can this be again a rumors thread.. Please I don't want to keep reading complains about eldar and what needs fixing or not. When and if you have a rumor please share it.. Otherwise go complain in another thread.

**Verviedi**

There is still the ongoing debate on the price, size, and contents of this week's Eldar codex release. Its being reported now though, that the book it self is really 160pgs long. While this doesnt give us a lot of details to go on, at least we can quell the whispers of a 200pg book.

Here is the latest rumors on Codex: Craftworlds

via Morachi on Warseer
I saw the WD with my own eyes, couldn't take a photo sorry guys... the Ltd Ed set is gorgeous and it is indeed a 160 page book.

**Ravenous D**

I predict my wraithguard army will be shelved, no 7th book has slot moving and since the Decurion business there has been no special detachments to accommodate all elite armies, instead we will get the mandatory Autarch and 3 other bad unit tax before you can take a wraithguard formation with spiritseer and wraithlord tax.

Serpent shield and laser lock are probably gone, Wraithcannons will probably be s8 cause they are just sooooo good, Jetbikes will be 4+ armour and wraithknights will have a points increase.

If you think nerfing eldar changes anything then you're wrong, they will just jump ship to Necrons, daemons or tau.

**Verviedi**

Ravenous D wrote:
I predict my wraithguard army will be shelved, no 7th book has slot moving and since the Decurion business there has been no special detachments to accommodate all elite armies, instead we will get the mandatory Autarch and 3 other bad unit tax before you can take a wraithguard formation with spiritseer and wraithlord tax.

Serpent shield and laser lock are probably gone, Wraithcannons will probably be s8 cause they are just sooooo good, Jetbikes will be 4+ armour and wraithknights will have a points increase.

If you think nerfing eldar changes anything then you're wrong, they will just jump ship to Necrons, daemons or tau.

And in my case, see this coming since 6 months ago and jump ship to both Necrons AND Tau.

**Januine**

Capamaru wrote:
Can this be again a rumors thread.. Please I don't want to keep reading complains about eldar and what needs fixing or not. When and if you have a rumor please share it.. Otherwise go complain in another thread.

Have an exalt sir

**Nevelon**

Ravenous D wrote:
I predict my wraithguard army will be shelved, no 7th book has slot moving and since the Decurion business there has been no special detachments to accommodate all elite armies, instead we will get the mandatory Autarch and 3 other bad unit tax before you can take a wraithguard formation with spiritseer and wraithlord tax.

Serpent shield and laser lock are probably gone, Wraithcannons will probably be s8 cause they are just sooooo good, Jetbikes will be 4+ armour and wraithknights will have a points increase.

If you think nerfing eldar changes anything then you're wrong, they will just jump ship to Necrons, daemons or tau.

If they remove the swap to troops rule, I suspect it will be replaced by a formation. Even if it’s part of a larger one, like the decurion. I’d guess something like 1 spiritseer, 2+ wraithguard/blades, maybe some big guys, or they might be their own thing. With the way armies are put together these days, I’d be shocked if there wasn’t a way to do the old spirit host.

It will also be interesting to see if bikes stay troops, or if we’ll need to run a special saim-hann formation if we don’t want blocks of guardians.

**Ravenous D**

alleus wrote:
I think it's a bit strange that we haven't seen any leaked pics or anything.

I mean, with the Skitarii release we got leaks left and right, weeks before they were even announced, but with this Eldar release? Nothing. I wonder why that is.

On the topic of the actual release though, if there is different rules for different Craftworlds, I'm hoping for a Jetbike focused one. Would be really fun fielding a battle-forged jetbike-only army.

Wensday is when North America gets their WDs in along with the rest of the shipment, we should start seeing pictures tonight or tomorrow

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Nevelon wrote:
Ravenous D wrote:
I predict my wraithguard army will be shelved, no 7th book has slot moving and since the Decurion business there has been no special detachments to accommodate all elite armies, instead we will get the mandatory Autarch and 3 other bad unit tax before you can take a wraithguard formation with spiritseer and wraithlord tax.

Serpent shield and laser lock are probably gone, Wraithcannons will probably be s8 cause they are just sooooo good, Jetbikes will be 4+ armour and wraithknights will have a points increase.

If you think nerfing eldar changes anything then you're wrong, they will just jump ship to Necrons, daemons or tau.

If they remove the swap to troops rule, I suspect it will be replaced by a formation. Even if it’s part of a larger one, like the decurion. I’d guess something like 1 spiritseer, 2+ wraithguard/blades, maybe some big guys, or they might be their own thing. With the way armies are put together these days, I’d be shocked if there wasn’t a way to do the old spirit host.

It will also be interesting to see if bikes stay troops, or if we’ll need to run a special saim-hann formation if we don’t want blocks of guardians.

Nah its GW, the only way they'll let me field an all wraithguard army is if I pay the gak unit taxes for the mediocre army. This is what Im expecting, if this book is actually more than the 7th nerfpocalypse I will be surprised, and hey if it does turn out to be good then even better. Set your expectations low that way you're never disappointed, other then when GW manages to blow those low expectations out of the water in a fabulous display of stupidity.

**adamsouza**

I could ilve with a Daemonkin Style Codex sort of update, but Space Marine Codex sized book would be awesome.

Azreal13 wrote:
Well, enjoying Randomhammer is people's right I guess.
I'm enjoying stepping back and playing other games, where I kick myself for making the wrong choices if I lose, not lamenting I didn't roll enough 6s.

So, are you playing Chess or Mancala ? Maybe Tic Tac Toe ?
Any game with dice or cards features random as a pretty important game element.

**Azreal13**

There's a key distinction between "important" and "decisive."

**Mymearan**

If the random element is decisive, how come there are players in the tournament scene that stay in the top in almost every tournament they go to?

**Nvs**

Mymearan wrote:
If the random element is decisive, how come there are players in the tournament scene that stay in the top in almost every tournament they go to?

**Azreal13**

Because 40K is an exercise in list building rather than playing the game, and once a certain level of error elimination has been reached in terms of gameplay (which 'serious' 40K players will have reached long ago) those who write the strongest list will prevail. Those who do well consistently are simply the players who wrote the best lists.

But, once again, not relevant to the topic of Eldar rumours, if anyone is keen to discuss it further, I'd suggest creating a separate thread in a more appropriate sub forum and if I feel I can offer anything, I'll gladly participate.

**Verviedi**

Azreal13 wrote:
Because 40K is an exercise in list building rather than playing the game, and once a certain level of error elimination has been reached in terms of gameplay (which 'serious' 40K players will have reached long ago) those who write the strongest list will prevail. Those who do well consistently are simply the players who wrote the best lists.

But, once again, not relevant to the topic of Eldar rumours, if anyone is keen to discuss it further, I'd suggest creating a separate thread in a more appropriate sub forum and if I feel I can offer anything, I'll gladly participate.

I don't believe this is true. I optimize as much as possible, but still lose to people who don't paint, don't use the internet, and don't own rulebooks.

**adamsouza**

I don't believe this is true. I will optimize as much as possible with the rumored new Eldar Codex, but still lose to people who don't paint, don't use the internet, and don't own rulebooks, like the rumored new Eldar: Craftworlds Codex.

Edited to better remain on topic

**Ravenous D**

Azreal13 wrote:
There's a key distinction between "important" and "decisive."

Exactly, fail a 5" charge and lose the game and tell me how fun random is.

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Mymearan wrote:
If the random element is decisive, how come there are players in the tournament scene that stay in the top in almost every tournament they go to?

Because top tournament players take out the random elements as much as humanly possible and beat you in the movement phase and deployment, they game you to death with assured victory

**Verviedi**

adamsouza wrote:
I don't believe this is true. I will optimize as much as possible with the rumored new Eldar Codex, but still lose to people who don't paint, don't use the internet, and don't own rulebooks, like the rumored new Eldar: Craftworlds Codex.

Edited to better remain on topic

That's beautiful. Like the new Eldar: Craftworlds Codex

**Gorlack**

Great focus on the Eldar rumours guys! Credit where credit is due, this thread is really staying on target!

**ashikenshin**

I really hope that as part of this release, Duncan releases a how to paint Ulthwé tanks. I would like a tutorial on how to do the squiggly lines and make them not look like crap.

Hopefully tomorrow we get some scans, really looking forward to it.

**Accolade**

Gorlack wrote:
Great focus on the Eldar rumours guys! Credit where credit is due, this thread is really staying on target!

Just report it and leave the topic-focus comments to the mods. Posting a response is no different than what they are doing.

**Talys**

Are there any rumors at all of whether there are releases past a single week?

Gawd, I would even love new Guardians. Fire Dragons. Well... every infantry model without "Wraith".

**Azreal13**

The only rumour I can recall is that it will be "Necron style" which was a one week release IIRC.

**Redemption**

We'll probably know soon enough, when the next WD starts leaking. The hint for the WD after that should probably give a decent clue what to expect.

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Some actual rumours instead of senseless arguing:

Manwë from Warseer wrote:Some people on a French forum have seen the WD.

The heavy wraithcanons are now D, and the sword too. He is gargantuan (and probably LoW I think).

Jetbikes rules are the same, no changes and same slot (but new minies).

Walocks are not in the Wildriders box, but is an option in the Jetseer =D (1D6+100 of dat things for me, kthxbye).

There is a "Decurie" (don't now the name of the Necron special host in English), called Craftworld Warhosts :

1 to 3 guardians host (Wildriders, guardiens squads and the ones from Ulthwë) unlock some extra stuff for all the craftworlds. For example, 1 3 Wildriders choices unlock some stuff for Saim Hann host.

The Autarch on foot has swooping hawks wings, and is awesome.

**rollawaythestone**

Glad the Wraithknight is Gargantuan - makes sense. I hope it is a more restricted unit in general. Ranged Str D is quite strong. We'll see once we get some points costs.

Disappointing Jetbikes didn't get reduced to 4+ Armor.

**pretre**

Oh good. I woke up this morning and said 'You know what Eldar need more of? Ranged D.'

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rollawaythestone wrote:
Disappointing Jetbikes didn't get reduced to 4+ Armor.

Why would they? They've been 3+ for a loooooong time, haven't they?

**rollawaythestone**

To bring them in line with every other Eldar jetbike variant (Harlequins, Dark Eldar, etc).

Here's hoping that the Wraithknight is in a 1 per army kind of situation - either LoW, or similar Decurion style limitation.

**pretre**

rollawaythestone wrote:
To bring them in line with every other Eldar jetbike variant (Harlequins, Dark Eldar, etc).

Here's hoping that the Wraithknight is in a 1 per army kind of situation - either LoW, or similar Decurion style limitation.

Both Hars and DE have lighter base armor.