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**Thokt**

Eiluj The Farseer wrote:
I got the white dwarf today. Codex $58, Cards, Autarch with wings, Farseer on bike can make into Warlock $33, Bike Squad $41 American. Rules for bike in WD - same points cost but can take a warlock for 50 points so same cost as last codex - 5 points spear - same rules, ALL BIKES can take Shuriken Cannons or Scatter LAsers for 10 pts each. Scatter laser S6 AP6 4 shot NO LASER LOCK NOTED so looks like gone. Shuriken weapons have bladestorm same rule as last. Bike still 3up save, have battle focus still.
Warlock level 1 can take warlock powers or Sanctic powers ( I really hope that Maelific is gone for Eldar - they should not be summoning daemons)

Detachments are cool - all have vypers as obligatory tithe, Command 0-3 Eldrad, Illic, Phoenix lords, avatar, or 2 farseers and warlock council, Farseer obligatory HQ for main part of detachment
Bike one, one with farseer and warlock council
Extras - rangers, Wraithknight / lord / or fighter, 3 crimson hunters, 3 dire avenger units, wraith warhost - spiritseer, 3 wraith - guard/CC, wraithlord, wraithknight, others - Falcon/Prism/web hovercraft, 3 aspects choice of any

There is an article where a Wraithknight is pitted against a bunch of stuff - no rules posted but there are hints in the article - it is now a Gargantuan creature, the d-cannons are destroyer now, the sword is a Dweapon and must be I1 since it swings on the new Bloodthirster with D-weapon at the same time to kill it. That is a game changer to wraithknights.
Made a video will post it once had time to upload it on my you tube page. Cheers guys.

Any hints as to the nature of the Wraith Warhost perks? And how serious a Vyper tax are we talking here? I own zero. 1 per detachment sounds like you'd regularly need 3-4.

**Red Corsair**

Nevelon wrote:
If vypers are required for detachments, I want to see what they did to their fluff. They have always been a fast support unit, nothing close to a core part of an eldar army. The only craftworld that might require them is Saim-Hann. Hopefully there is more to this.

Not that it bothers me, I like the things.

Sales.

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Thokt wrote:
Eiluj The Farseer wrote:
I got the white dwarf today. Codex $58, Cards, Autarch with wings, Farseer on bike can make into Warlock $33, Bike Squad $41 American. Rules for bike in WD - same points cost but can take a warlock for 50 points so same cost as last codex - 5 points spear - same rules, ALL BIKES can take Shuriken Cannons or Scatter LAsers for 10 pts each. Scatter laser S6 AP6 4 shot NO LASER LOCK NOTED so looks like gone. Shuriken weapons have bladestorm same rule as last. Bike still 3up save, have battle focus still.
Warlock level 1 can take warlock powers or Sanctic powers ( I really hope that Maelific is gone for Eldar - they should not be summoning daemons)

Detachments are cool - all have vypers as obligatory tithe, Command 0-3 Eldrad, Illic, Phoenix lords, avatar, or 2 farseers and warlock council, Farseer obligatory HQ for main part of detachment
Bike one, one with farseer and warlock council
Extras - rangers, Wraithknight / lord / or fighter, 3 crimson hunters, 3 dire avenger units, wraith warhost - spiritseer, 3 wraith - guard/CC, wraithlord, wraithknight, others - Falcon/Prism/web hovercraft, 3 aspects choice of any

There is an article where a Wraithknight is pitted against a bunch of stuff - no rules posted but there are hints in the article - it is now a Gargantuan creature, the d-cannons are destroyer now, the sword is a Dweapon and must be I1 since it swings on the new Bloodthirster with D-weapon at the same time to kill it. That is a game changer to wraithknights.
Made a video will post it once had time to upload it on my you tube page. Cheers guys.

Any hints as to the nature of the Wraith Warhost perks? And how serious a Vyper tax are we talking here? I own zero. 1 per detachment sounds like you'd regularly need 3-4.

If you hurry they are cheap as chips the last few I bought off ebay.

**Vector Strike**

Red Corsair wrote:
Man 270 for either 40 s6 36" range shots or 30 s6 rending shots to 24".... Both so gross. Guide will make that unit impossible to play against. I guess that solves FMC spam and wraiths....

Drop pods will hurt it, but I don't see them doing enough damage per point based on pod unit costs.

With Guide the Scatter Laser unit can kill almost 4 Wraiths (no RP). Without Guide, they kill almost 3.

Good thing Eldar are AoC with Tau. Jetbikes will leave my Crisis to vehicle duty (melta); plasma and flamer won't be that necessary

**Nevelon**

Red Corsair wrote:
Nevelon wrote:
If vypers are required for detachments, I want to see what they did to their fluff. They have always been a fast support unit, nothing close to a core part of an eldar army. The only craftworld that might require them is Saim-Hann. Hopefully there is more to this.

Not that it bothers me, I like the things.

Sales.

I know that’s the real reason, just hoping the in-game one makes some sense. I don’t know enough about necron units to know how core the tomb blades to their lore/armies. Was that another out of the blue thing?

**Mymearan**

God damnit I can't believe they managed to out-buff even the Necron Wraith buff with the jet bikes. So much good stuff in these last few codices and they have to ruin it all with one or two mindblowingly stupid things like this and the Wraith buffs.

**Ravenous D**

Red Corsair wrote:
Wow, so every one should pucker their balloon knots for scat spam bikes!

That cant be right. 10 3+ save jetbikes with move shoot move with scatter lasers for 270pts? I gotta see that in print. 40 s6 ap6 shots would light a unit up, more so with guide or prescience.

**MaxT**

Mymearan wrote:
Red Corsair wrote:
I am more concerned with the bikes. WK is rumored gargantuan, bloodthrister isn't. makes perfect sense to me.

Now, a 27 point space marine that can JSJ/boost 48"/shoot 4 s6 shots out to 36" WITH OBsec? THAT is insane. Even if WS remained unchanged, why on earth would you take one over 10 of those at a mere 270pts?

Edit: It MUST be 1 in 3, otherwise thank god necrons are so durable because they will be the only ones left to stand up to this ha ha.

Bikes can't JSJ because bikes can't use Battle Focus.

You're assuming that battle focus is the same - maybe not the case.

**Eiluj The Farseer**

The wraith host is 1 spiritseer, 3 units of Wraith guard or CC, 1 wraithlord and 1 wraithknight - they do not give any hints to bonus for formations or detachments
I don't think the D weapon CC is worth it for the wraithknight but him alone becoming Gargantuan changes SOOOOO many things - he can fire ALL his weapons (not just 2), he can fire at different targets, he can not overwatch, he has 5 up FNP auto, he can not be instant killed.

**Mymearan**

Eiluj The Farseer wrote:
I got the white dwarf today. Codex $58, Cards, Autarch with wings, Farseer on bike can make into Warlock $33, Bike Squad $41 American. Rules for bike in WD - same points cost but can take a warlock for 50 points so same cost as last codex - 5 points spear - same rules, ALL BIKES can take Shuriken Cannons or Scatter LAsers for 10 pts each. Scatter laser S6 AP6 4 shot NO LASER LOCK NOTED so looks like gone. Shuriken weapons have bladestorm same rule as last. Bike still 3up save, have battle focus still.
Warlock level 1 can take warlock powers or Sanctic powers ( I really hope that Maelific is gone for Eldar - they should not be summoning daemons)

Detachments are cool - all have vypers as obligatory tithe, Command 0-3 Eldrad, Illic, Phoenix lords, avatar, or 2 farseers and warlock council, Farseer obligatory HQ for main part of detachment
Bike one, one with farseer and warlock council
Extras - rangers, Wraithknight / lord / or fighter, 3 crimson hunters, 3 dire avenger units, wraith warhost - spiritseer, 3 wraith - guard/CC, wraithlord, wraithknight, others - Falcon/Prism/web hovercraft, 3 aspects choice of any

There is an article where a Wraithknight is pitted against a bunch of stuff - no rules posted but there are hints in the article - it is now a Gargantuan creature, the d-cannons are destroyer now, the sword is a Dweapon and must be I1 since it swings on the new Bloodthirster with D-weapon at the same time to kill it. That is a game changer to wraithknights.
Made a video will post it once had time to upload it on my you tube page. Cheers guys.

Mind posting a pic of the jetbike rules?

**Thokt**

Eiluj The Farseer wrote:
The wraith host is 1 spiritseer, 3 units of Wraith guard or CC, 1 wraithlord and 1 wraithknight - they do not give any hints to bonus for formations or detachments
I don't think the D weapon CC is worth it for the wraithknight but him alone becoming Gargantuan changes SOOOOO many things - he can fire ALL his weapons (not just 2), he can fire at different targets, he can not overwatch, he has 5 up FNP auto, he can not be instant killed.

Thanks Elluj!

I think we can assume jetbikes will retain their assault move. Isn't it laid out in the core rulebook?

**Ravenous D**

Doesn't matter eldar bikes get the assault move as per the rulebook

**Eiluj The Farseer**

ronin_cse wrote:
Eiluj The Farseer wrote:
I got the white dwarf today. Codex $58, Cards, Autarch with wings, Farseer on bike can make into Warlock $33, Bike Squad $41 American. Rules for bike in WD - same points cost but can take a warlock for 50 points so same cost as last codex - 5 points spear - same rules, ALL BIKES can take Shuriken Cannons or Scatter LAsers for 10 pts each. Scatter laser S6 AP6 4 shot NO LASER LOCK NOTED so looks like gone. Shuriken weapons have bladestorm same rule as last. Bike still 3up save, have battle focus still.
Warlock level 1 can take warlock powers or Sanctic powers ( I really hope that Maelific is gone for Eldar - they should not be summoning daemons)

Detachments are cool - all have vypers as obligatory tithe, Command 0-3 Eldrad, Illic, Phoenix lords, avatar, or 2 farseers and warlock council, Farseer obligatory HQ for main part of detachment
Bike one, one with farseer and warlock council
Extras - rangers, Wraithknight / lord / or fighter, 3 crimson hunters, 3 dire avenger units, wraith warhost - spiritseer, 3 wraith - guard/CC, wraithlord, wraithknight, others - Falcon/Prism/web hovercraft, 3 aspects choice of any

There is an article where a Wraithknight is pitted against a bunch of stuff - no rules posted but there are hints in the article - it is now a Gargantuan creature, the d-cannons are destroyer now, the sword is a Dweapon and must be I1 since it swings on the new Bloodthirster with D-weapon at the same time to kill it. That is a game changer to wraithknights.
Made a video will post it once had time to upload it on my you tube page. Cheers guys.

And what is your youtube channel called?

my channel is https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCirv7zjwzoIuzVOVIERJ9pg
it should be up later tonight Cheers.

The bikes still have battlefocus... what the new rules are I don't know? But if it is like old why do they have it? we will have to wait and see. Cheers

**H.B.M.C.**

Laser-Lock is gone?

Good.

**Requizen**

Eiluj The Farseer wrote:
The wraith host is 1 spiritseer, 3 units of Wraith guard or CC, 1 wraithlord and 1 wraithknight - they do not give any hints to bonus for formations or detachments
I don't think the D weapon CC is worth it for the wraithknight but him alone becoming Gargantuan changes SOOOOO many things - he can fire ALL his weapons (not just 2), he can fire at different targets, he can not overwatch, he has 5 up FNP auto, he can not be instant killed.

I would assume that's probably 0-1 Wraithknights. If they're truly becoming GMCs (and likely getting a price increase) making one required to even bring the other Wraith units would be insane.

**Thud**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
Laser-Lock is gone?

Good.

I weep as I frantically glue scatter lasers onto my Jetbikes.

**megatrons2nd**

Well, I don't like the rumor of being forced to take Guardians. Can I take the Aspect formation portion thing if I don't take the core part? How does the Decurion thing work anyway? Just pm me how this works so I don't derail this thread any further.

**Ravenous D**

Eiluj The Farseer wrote:
The wraith host is 1 spiritseer, 3 units of Wraith guard or CC, 1 wraithlord and 1 wraithknight - they do not give any hints to bonus for formations or detachments
I don't think the D weapon CC is worth it for the wraithknight but him alone becoming Gargantuan changes SOOOOO many things - he can fire ALL his weapons (not just 2), he can fire at different targets, he can not overwatch, he has 5 up FNP auto, he can not be instant killed.

Great point, the multi targeting, poison on 6s, immune to instant death and most importantly STOMPS, it just became the eldar imperial knight that cant be wrecked with a few meltaguns. WOUNDS BEAT ARMOUR BITCHES

**Red Corsair**

Seriously that unit is bananas good.

Bring 2 x 10 man scat units 540 pts so you get the most from your guides

then spam 5 man units at a mere 135

Heck 3 man units will only be 81 pts and toss out 12 s6 shots...

This is beyond stupid.

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megatrons2nd wrote:
Well, I don't like the rumor of being forced to take Guardians. Can I take the Aspect formation portion thing if I don't take the core part? How does the Decurion thing work anyway? Just pm me how this works so I don't derail this thread any further.

There formations so yes you can just take them separately but you won't get a command benefit. So you could take dires as troops from a CAD assuming they are still troops, then just bring formations for aspects.

**Mymearan**

Indeed... Which is why we need pics of the rules.

**Red Corsair**

Mymearan wrote:
Indeed... Which is why we need pics of the rules.

I am sure Eiluj The Farseer will show it off in his youtube review.

**RedFox**

Eiluj The Farseer wrote:
ronin_cse wrote:
Eiluj The Farseer wrote:
I got the white dwarf today. Codex $58, Cards, Autarch with wings, Farseer on bike can make into Warlock $33, Bike Squad $41 American. Rules for bike in WD - same points cost but can take a warlock for 50 points so same cost as last codex - 5 points spear - same rules, ALL BIKES can take Shuriken Cannons or Scatter LAsers for 10 pts each. Scatter laser S6 AP6 4 shot NO LASER LOCK NOTED so looks like gone. Shuriken weapons have bladestorm same rule as last. Bike still 3up save, have battle focus still.
Warlock level 1 can take warlock powers or Sanctic powers ( I really hope that Maelific is gone for Eldar - they should not be summoning daemons)

Detachments are cool - all have vypers as obligatory tithe, Command 0-3 Eldrad, Illic, Phoenix lords, avatar, or 2 farseers and warlock council, Farseer obligatory HQ for main part of detachment
Bike one, one with farseer and warlock council
Extras - rangers, Wraithknight / lord / or fighter, 3 crimson hunters, 3 dire avenger units, wraith warhost - spiritseer, 3 wraith - guard/CC, wraithlord, wraithknight, others - Falcon/Prism/web hovercraft, 3 aspects choice of any

There is an article where a Wraithknight is pitted against a bunch of stuff - no rules posted but there are hints in the article - it is now a Gargantuan creature, the d-cannons are destroyer now, the sword is a Dweapon and must be I1 since it swings on the new Bloodthirster with D-weapon at the same time to kill it. That is a game changer to wraithknights.
Made a video will post it once had time to upload it on my you tube page. Cheers guys.

And what is your youtube channel called?

my channel is https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCirv7zjwzoIuzVOVIERJ9pg
it should be up later tonight Cheers.

The bikes still have battlefocus... what the new rules are I don't know? But if it is like old why do they have it? we will have to wait and see. Cheers

can you tell us the next week hint please

**Red Corsair**

10 windriders all with SL
10 windriders all with SL
5 windriders all with SL
5 windriders all with SL
5 windriders all with SL
5 windriders all with SL

1080pts LOL

Crap, how will I ever manage to eek out some fire support with only 770 pts left over..... I mean it only has 160 s6 shots with a 36"range.

Ridiculous.

**streetsamurai**

Damn, these jetbikes are ugly as hell. They're barely an improvement over the old horrible ones.

Autarch is cool though

**Frozocrone**

Red Corsair wrote:
10 windriders all with SL
10 windriders all with SL
5 windriders all with SL
5 windriders all with SL
5 windriders all with SL
5 windriders all with SL

1080pts LOL

Crap, how will I ever manage to eek out some fire support with only 770 pts left over.....

Ridiculous.

Wait so Windriders w/ SL aren't restricted to that one per three models like the current Shuriken Cannon?

Oh my days..

**Wilson**

160 strength 6 shots.

Absurd.

Rage quit inbound!

**Red Corsair**

Frozocrone wrote:
Red Corsair wrote:
10 windriders all with SL
10 windriders all with SL
5 windriders all with SL
5 windriders all with SL
5 windriders all with SL
5 windriders all with SL

1080pts LOL

Crap, how will I ever manage to eek out some fire support with only 770 pts left over.....

Ridiculous.

Wait so Windriders w/ SL aren't restricted to that one per three models like the current Shuriken Cannon?

Oh my days..

According to WD posessors they aren't. Which is beyond stupid. That will require a same day FAQ/Errata or need to be flat out banned if it is true.

**gigasnail**

That's foul.

**Red Corsair**

Wilson wrote:
160 strength 6 shots.

Absurd.

Rage quit inbound!

It only puts out 90 wounds before saves vs T4 and less... Lets be fair, all those greentide [players were taking way too much time moving models.

**SarisKhan**

If the no weapon restriction is true I'll pretend it's still 1 per 3 jetbikes. Seriously, I'd like to win more but that's just dirty.

**DO IT TO IT**

SarisKhan wrote:
If the no weapon restriction is true I'll pretend it's still 1 per 3 jetbikes. Seriously, I'd like to win more but that's just dirty.

You're a good person.