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 Frozocrone wrote:

 Accolade wrote:

 Red Corsair wrote:
Yup, now all we can do is hope somehow the data card was printed incorrectly in WD...somehow...

Isn't that what people were always saying about the wave serpent shield?

I'm just so shocked GW didn't do like people were saying and balance this codex out. Absolutely. Shocked.

I can't tell if this is sarcasm because following the Necron Codex I've given up hope of GW understanding the rules for their game

It is, drippingly so

810pts gets you 6 units of 5 all with scatter lasers.

Bs 4 still.

No summoning daemons, aw shucks.

Gotta say I really didn't expect this codex to get a pat on the back from GW

 Red Corsair wrote:
Yea this will seriously screw up things. Honestly I have been wracking my brain to think of another army that can get 160 s6 shots for only 1080 from TROOPS! MY GOD!

But if you listen to Mortetvie we are all just whiners and its the player not the list..... yea, right....

It will really encourage healthy RTT turn out when one douche can show up with 200 s6 shots in a 1500 point game....

I thought my Flyrants were undercosted (well wings upgrade) but this takes the cake. If they nerf Nids to the ground then there will be tables flipped. They very well might already be flipped after these rumours.

Take Windrider Core, Crimson Hunter Auxillary for AA, done.

 Ravenous D wrote:
810pts gets you 6 units of 5 all with scatter lasers.

Bs 4 still.

No summoning daemons, aw shucks.

Gotta say I really didn't expect this codex to get a pat on the back from GW

Thats only 120 shots... surely most other infantry in the game can endure that right? ha haha so insane.

So..... I am assuming D-Scythes are losing the Distort rule...

 Red Corsair wrote:

 Ravenous D wrote:
810pts gets you 6 units of 5 all with scatter lasers.

Bs 4 still.

No summoning daemons, aw shucks.

Gotta say I really didn't expect this codex to get a pat on the back from GW

Thats only 120 shots... surely most other infantry in the game can endure that right? ha haha so insane.

Omg you're right, calm down guys. Jetbikes aren't broken, a unit of 10 with SL only causes 2.87 wounds to Centurions. Infantry will be fine!

Jeez these new bikes are nuts. I'm glad for a local player, because he has an entire jetbike army that is painted beautifully.

I am not liking this decurion style formation at all. I don't even own vypers now I'm forced to choose models I don't even like just to play my army? I'm not buying 2 more crimson hunters and I might just stick to playing 6ed eldar with my buddies.

Wait for everyone to swap to jet bikes and field land raiders?

Lol, not if you take the shuricanon ones. I'd take one 10 man shuricanon unit for elite units. With guide and doom it will murder anything.

idunnomaybe wrote:
I am not liking this decurion style formation at all. I don't even own vypers now I'm forced to choose models I don't even like just to play my army? I'm not buying 2 more crimson hunters and I might just stick to playing 6ed eldar with my buddies.

CAD is still a thing

 Red Corsair wrote:

 Ravenous D wrote:
810pts gets you 6 units of 5 all with scatter lasers.

Bs 4 still.

No summoning daemons, aw shucks.

Gotta say I really didn't expect this codex to get a pat on the back from GW

Thats only 120 shots... surely most other infantry in the game can endure that right? ha haha so insane.

Well this calls for some math!

120 shots at bs4 = 80 hits

Against marines:
67 wounds, 22 marines dead.

Against terminators:
67 wounds, 11 terminators dead

Against T4 or less with 4+ armour or cover (whatever):
67 wounds, 33 dead

Against T5 3+ sv
54 wounds, 18 dead

Against the dreaded Necron wraithstar:
54 wounds, 18 failed 3++, 9 failed RPs (half a unit in 1 volley)

Hurr hurr hurr

 pretre wrote:
Wait for everyone to swap to jet bikes and field land raiders?

AV 13, ie necrons will match them the best. But thats only for morons that front load only bikes. you can get 30 split into 6 units for a meager 810.... leaves plenty for anti tank.

As amazing as jetbikes are looking to be, I wonder how shinning spears will turn out? Perhaps the'll mop any heavy armor while the jetbikes massacre everything else?

I'll wait to see the book, but this might be the most extreme balance issue I've seen.

 Ravenous D wrote:

 Red Corsair wrote:

 Ravenous D wrote:
810pts gets you 6 units of 5 all with scatter lasers.

Bs 4 still.

No summoning daemons, aw shucks.

Gotta say I really didn't expect this codex to get a pat on the back from GW

Thats only 120 shots... surely most other infantry in the game can endure that right? ha haha so insane.

Well this calls for some math!

120 shots at bs4 = 80 hits

Against marines:
67 wounds, 22 marines dead.

Against terminators:
67 wounds, 11 terminators dead

Against T4 or less with 4+ armour or cover (whatever):
67 wounds, 33 dead

Against T5 3+ sv
54 wounds, 18 dead

Against the dreaded Necron wraithstar:
54 wounds, 18 failed 3++, 9 failed RPs (half a unit in 1 volley)

Hurr hurr hurr

Yea but what will the other 1010pts do? LOL

Against T6 2+ it's 6.4 wounds so not even the Riptide is safe and Tyranids basically became shafted to FMC spam/swarm and even then I'm not sure

 pretre wrote:
I'll wait to see the book, but this might be the most extreme balance issue I've seen.

I know right, I usually don't sweat it until I have played it.... But this is just annoying. Even if I can find a counter, I have no reason to want to play even on the table next to it. Which is a shame since I love Eldar.

 pretre wrote:
Wait for everyone to swap to jet bikes and field land raiders?

They'd be crazy in a tourney environment with Skitarii running around with haywire out the ass.

I apologise for being that guy who hasn't read the whole thread, but is this the new Eldar codex, or like a supplementy mini dex type thing? The 'Codex: Eldar' name at the top, and the Eldar Craftworlds title make it seem more like a supplement. Does DE have the 'Codex:Eldar' at the top, and Harlequins?

 pretre wrote:
I'll wait to see the book, but this might be the most extreme balance issue I've seen.

One has to wonder, taking it at face value, whether utter incompetence or deliberate action are most likely.

Nobody with even a fundamental grasp of the game can possibly think this is ok, surely?

 Red Corsair wrote:

 Ravenous D wrote:

 Red Corsair wrote:

 Ravenous D wrote:
810pts gets you 6 units of 5 all with scatter lasers.

Bs 4 still.

No summoning daemons, aw shucks.

Gotta say I really didn't expect this codex to get a pat on the back from GW

Thats only 120 shots... surely most other infantry in the game can endure that right? ha haha so insane.

Well this calls for some math!

120 shots at bs4 = 80 hits

Against marines:
67 wounds, 22 marines dead.

Against terminators:
67 wounds, 11 terminators dead

Against T4 or less with 4+ armour or cover (whatever):
67 wounds, 33 dead

Against T5 3+ sv
54 wounds, 18 dead

Against the dreaded Necron wraithstar:
54 wounds, 18 failed 3++, 9 failed RPs (half a unit in 1 volley)

Hurr hurr hurr

Yea but what will the other 1010pts do? LOL

Uh uh... umm... WRAITHKNIGHT and farseer?

That's balanced right? Oh GW, what have you done.

Harlies do, DE don't

Harlequins does.

 ImAGeek wrote:
I apologise for being that guy who hasn't read the whole thread, but is this the new Eldar codex, or like a supplementy mini dex type thing? The 'Codex: Eldar' name at the top, and the Eldar Craftworlds title make it seem more like a supplement. Does DE have the 'Codex:Eldar' at the top, and Harlequins?

its a full dex

 Azreal13 wrote:

 pretre wrote:
I'll wait to see the book, but this might be the most extreme balance issue I've seen.

One has to wonder, taking it at face value, whether utter incompetence or deliberate action are most likely.

Nobody with even a fundamental grasp of the game can possibly think this is ok, surely?

Like I said, let's hope we are missing something.

And that's without any kind of Psychic buffs...

Though let's keep in mind these are pretty fragile units. Chuck a few large blasts and you'll wipe out a unit.

Unless the wraithknight is 700pts and farseers jumped 400pts Then the codex is bananas. Unless battle focus is a Ld test to do every action.

Im just going to assume its a misprint until its in the codex

 Ravenous D wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:
I apologise for being that guy who hasn't read the whole thread, but is this the new Eldar codex, or like a supplementy mini dex type thing? The 'Codex: Eldar' name at the top, and the Eldar Craftworlds title make it seem more like a supplement. Does DE have the 'Codex:Eldar' at the top, and Harlequins?

its a full dex

Okay. Seems a bizarre way to word it, just 'Codex: Eldar' would've been fine, or 'Codex: Craftworlds Eldar'. Eh, probably just overthinking it.

 ImAGeek wrote:

 Ravenous D wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:
I apologise for being that guy who hasn't read the whole thread, but is this the new Eldar codex, or like a supplementy mini dex type thing? The 'Codex: Eldar' name at the top, and the Eldar Craftworlds title make it seem more like a supplement. Does DE have the 'Codex:Eldar' at the top, and Harlequins?

its a full dex

Okay. Seems a bizarre way to word it, just 'Codex: Eldar' would've been fine, or 'Codex: Craftworlds Eldar'. Eh, probably just overthinking it.

Somebody had mentioned they thought it was to leave open the possibility of Codex: Exodite Eldar in the future.