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Looks over at Operation Icestorm box bought a few months ago...it might be time.

Seriously every single time it looks like the new codexes in a new edition look to be somewhat balanced Eldar come along a ruin it.

EDIT: Lol, never mind. May as well be honest; I found this on another forum. No credit for me other than sharing it lol.

Page 30, Munitorum Report, top left section;

"The Eldar have more Destroyer Weapons than anyone else - Wraithguard, Wraithknights and D-cannons are going to wreak true destructive havoc!"

Good work GW

 djones520 wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:

 djones520 wrote:
I'm loving this. Still in the rumor stages and it's the most hated army ever.

Except it isn't rumours. We've literally seen stuff from the codex in the WD.

Right, because the WD has always been a correct representation of how the army is played.

Until it's on the table, and we're seeing variations of lists and the like, this type of stuff is just silly.

We've literally seen unit entries...

I'm so tempted to rage-quit my Eldar army. Jesus Christ ..

Mymearan wrote:
I'm so tempted to rage-quit my Eldar army. Jesus Christ ..

OR

Just wait a few weeks till you get the codex and build an army that you are comfortable fielding that will fit in with your meta.

Just because you can break something doesn't mean you have to.

Mymearan wrote:
I'm so tempted to rage-quit my Eldar army. Jesus Christ ..

Noone's forcing you to spam destroyer weapons and scatter lasers, you know

I have like 3 of the old jetbikes... I guess i am gonna need more... a lot more.

Money aside this is getting really out of hand.

Well, this might be the thing that finally gets me to quit 40k. D-weapon spam is bad enough in Apocalypse, if it gets into normal games then there's really no point in playing anymore.

 Peregrine wrote:
Well, this might be the thing that finally gets me to quit 40k. D-weapon spam is bad enough in Apocalypse, if it gets into normal games then there's really no point in playing anymore.

Lets hope this isn't the case!

 koooaei wrote:

Mymearan wrote:
I'm so tempted to rage-quit my Eldar army. Jesus Christ ..

Noone's forcing you to spam destroyer weapons and scatter lasers, you know

He's still going to get "that look" when he pulls out his Eldar though. Even if he plays a banshee army. Any win he pulls from a game will be "because OP Eldar," not because of anything he did or that the opponent messed up on.

The boon of the Eldar player is to have one of the most powerful unbalanced armies of all time. The curse that comes with it, however...Doomed to forever be "just another Eldar guy" and nothing that he does will be recognized as his own skill. He is literally a puppet of his own army, only there to help the models move as they command him to move them.

Will take may Space marine army to the next tournament and a bat called Eldarhammer to hit the eldar player in the knee, probably the only advantage i will get

What's everyone's gripe with D-weapons?

Ranged D-Weapons. Close Combat D-Weapons can be mitigated somewhat. Against ranged D-Weapons there is no escape

 angelofvengeance wrote:
What's everyone's gripe with D-weapons?

They're good at everything. The wound all non-vehicle models on a 2+ regardless of toughness and inflict multiple wounds (when it matters), and they auto-pen vehicles on a 2+ and inflict D3 HP instead of one. So that LRBT is just as fragile as a land speeder, and that awesome MC is just as fragile as a grot. Even superheavies get wiped off the table against D-weapons, so forget about taking a 500+ point Baneblade or similar unit and expecting it to live.

It's even worse with Eldar because we know jetbike spam is going to be really powerful. And what's the only real weakness of it? AV 13-14. Now guess what D-weapons are really great at killing. An Eldar player is free to spend half their points on scatter laser jetbikes because anything the jetbikes can't kill is going to be insta-killed by the D-weapons.

Having access to ranged D weapons in multiple FOC/formation slots is like having access to a modern armory against 3 guys with bow and arrow. As a tournament eldar player, I'm not complaining, but the entire Internet will.

Against the upcoming Scatrider Spam, I can think of (CSM/SM) Typhon Heavy Siege Tank and AM Hellhammer off the top of my head. Both have very high AV on SH platforms and fire huge S10 AP 1 blasts with Ignores Cover.

Now, you just have to survive a hail of ranged Strength D fire to put a hole in the jetbike phalanx.

I'm glad that my local tournaments ban ranged Strength D. I don't want to use them and I don't want to face them.

 angelofvengeance wrote:
What's everyone's gripe with D-weapons?

You start a game. You deploy a land raider, or a tervigon, or even a baneblade peeking out from behind some ruins.
He shoots a D and rolls a 6. Either of those first two is gone for sure. The baneblade is probably dead.

If you're playing a moderate size game such as 1850, losing a baneblade on the top of t1 is pretty much game over, as you're now down 500ish points.

Yep. A small unit of Wraithguard with the Archon deep strike right next to your big expensive model and has a great chance of just making it go away. Unless points drastically change for WG, this is pretty significant.

Not really a problem for me as my group don't have a lot of D weapons anyways. Think at most, there's the Bloodthirster with his giant choppy 2 handed axe.

I'm hoping for the Wraithknight to be in the 400+ point range, would put it in the same cost category as the other Superheavys/ Ranged D wielders (Silver Tower/Shadowsword/Kill Bursta).

niv-mizzet wrote:

 angelofvengeance wrote:
What's everyone's gripe with D-weapons?

You start a game. You deploy a land raider, or a tervigon, or even a baneblade peeking out from behind some ruins.
He shoots a D and rolls a 6. Either of those first two is gone for sure. The baneblade is probably dead.

If you're playing a moderate size game such as 1850, losing a baneblade on the top of t1 is pretty much game over, as you're now down 500ish points.

Also, chances are these weapons will be mounted on a particularly hard to kill platform. Wraithknights were a pain in the backside for some armies already, even without being a Gargantuan Creature immune to Instant Death, Sniper shots and with built-in FNP.


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 angelofvengeance wrote:
Not really a problem for me as my group don't have a lot of D weapons anyways. Think at most, there's the Bloodthirster with his giant choppy 2 handed axe.

D weapons were almost nonexistant in my area, too, but it is not rare for Eldar players to have 2+ Wraithknights, not to mention other units armed with guns with the Distort rule.

So, the number of D weapons just spiked

This makes me wonder if distort weapons will be 'proper' D-weapons, or something like 'treat as Destroyer attack if you roll a 6 to hit'.

According to the post above, D Cannons, Wraithguard and Wraithknight all have the Destroyer rule which will shift the game dramatically. Bikes and Wraithguard essentially have what one needs to deal with a lot of armies: massed S6 shooting sprinkled with Destroyer weapons. However, it remains to be seen if Wraithguard can move and fire normally as we don't know the exact stats for their weapon.

Does anyone remember when Distortion Cannons were just normal heavy weapons?

They had a 32" range and left a 2" bubble that moved D6" in a random direction and killed anything it touched that didn't get out of the way. The slower the unit, the worse the get-the-hell-out-of-the-way save. One of my very first space marine squadrons had a kitbashed D-Cannon!

Did we really need that many D-weapons?

Eesh. Well, bugger my Nurgle list then. Lol, FNP against D weapons? Nope. Guess I get to experience the joy of having a codex balanced for the end of 5th in the power creep of 7th.

Hey, just like the crappy end of 4th Codex we had that carried over to 6th!

Really. D weapons. It's almost like they're desperate to shove super heavies for sales.

Putting D-Weapons on WGuards and D-Cannons will have the opposite effect. Super Heavies would become obsolete. Actually any non flying MC and vehicle would (yes even WKs).

It would be so dumb that i'm still thinking that it is all a misunderstanding of some kind. Not even GW can pull that off.

The abundance of D weapons is actually more likely to attract hordes as hordes basically don't care if it's s6 or S: D. Whereas there's no use in bringing an expensive superheavy if it's gona get erazed in one turn.

The real sad thing isn't the access to ranged D weapons...it's the fact no one will actually be able to field any of those units at a tournament. GW has inadvertently gimped the Eldar by giving them access to so many D weapons.

Here's a bunch of stuff to use, that tournaments will ban.

Suddenly, Wave Serpents don't look so bad...

 koooaei wrote:
The abundance of D weapons is actually more likely to attract hordes as hordes basically don't care if it's s6 or S: D. Whereas there's no use in bringing an expensive superheavy if it's gona get erazed in one turn.

Which they will be swiftly and efficiently dealt by mass scatter laser shots! Eldars will have access to the best solution for every problem you can throw at them.